NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #5

[ElizaAvalon]

ALL: You may want to star out the names of innocent people in your posts before they get deleted...

 

[ElizaAvalon]

JB's sister or relative or whatever she is is so not an escort, peeps.

 

[21merc7]

O/T but...

How do you know when it's time to stop researching escort sites? When you start to read ads that say, "how to relieve joints" as " how to relieve johns".

Lol! I think you can stop now. (Relieving joints may be construed as relieving johns. At least your hubby might think so! Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. :crazy

 

[21merc7]

ALL: You may want to star out the names of innocent people in your posts before they get deleted...

ElizaAvalon is asking everyone to go put this: ****: instead of any names. We cannot post names not in the news. Please go back and hit the "edit" button if you have names that are not involved in the LI bodies and news articles.

Or hit the delete button, you have to hit 2 buttons for that.

I screwed up as a newbie too, still do, just saying.

 

[Seaslug44]

I'm over 40 and have NEVER heard of the name "I*****" until today.WAY too much of a coincidence, especially in light of all the other coincidences this case is asking us to accept.

MOO

I'm a senior rep at an insurance company that markets auto & home insurance. I've been selling insurance to my local Long Islanders since 1986. I have a data base of every prospect I have ever spoke to and every policyholder who ever purchased a policy from me (over 15,000 households). The woman's first name "I*****" is so rare that in over 25 years I've only encountered it ONCE!

WAY too much of a coincidence I agree. Not saying they are one in the same but do agree that the partner in crime who chose that name as her alias could have possibly overheard it being used by JB's sister or knows of her through him or indirectly through another connection in the neighborhood.

 

[21merc7]

Was just talking with my BF/exhubby, he is MR LOGICAL. And a brainiac, known for it. I briefly mentioned the LI bodies, SK. He immediately said "The bodies were not killed there." (sorry it is cold, but you know logic)

I thought it was interesting since he gave me no time to explain.


Just tossing it out there.

 

[Hexe]

there is something babyish about this guy and his little phone calls...yes, it's evil sadistic taunting...but at the same time it's childish and shows lack of restraint.

Well, psychopaths aren't the people you would describe as emotionally mature. I've been thinking... That what this... entity did (I won't call him human), calling the family... It is possible that it was more about control and power, than sadism. You know, he feels powerful, inflicting the pain on the family of his victim. He knows what happened to her, they know nothing, he rules (in his perverted mind, that is). Sick, I know.

Another thing, this killer seems to be highly organised and pretty neat with these burlap sacks (or wrapping bodies in burlap, do we know exactly and for sure which one is it?). He developed a pattern already, so I think people here are right, he had to kill before and there are more bodies to find

So he does it for some time, he's as I said neat and organised. I think it's some clean and quiet dude, one of those you wouldn't suspect to be capable of such things. Anyway that's my three cents, whatever it is worthy.

 

[minazoe]

well, there are an awfull lot of Italian Americans on LI and I*** is just Italy, basically... and I doubt very much that is really much of a formal name for anyone.

it sounds like Foxy or Baby Phat or Gypsy...

not dissing it...just saying...prob pure coincidence...there are alot of these so far...

 

[21merc7]

W

Another thing, this killer seems to be highly organised and pretty neat with these burlap sacks (or wrapping bodies in burlap, do we know exactly and for sure which one is it?).

Respectfully snipped:

That is a key. Burlap is not neat!

 

[Secret77]

I'm a senior rep at an insurance company that markets auto & home insurance. I've been selling insurance to my local Long Islanders since 1986. I have a data base of every prospect I have ever spoke to and every policyholder who ever purchased a policy from me (over 15,000 households). The woman's first name "I*****" is so rare that in over 25 years I've only encountered it ONCE!

Working Girl Rule #1: Never use your real name.
The girl in Babylon wasn't really named "Italia", that was just a nickname.
Everything is just a silly coincidence.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Well, psychopaths aren't the people you would describe as emotionally mature. I've been thinking... That what this... entity did (I won't call him human), calling the family... It is possible that it was more about control and power, than sadism. You know, he feels powerful, inflicting the pain on the family of his victim. He knows what happened to her, they know nothing, he rules (in his perverted mind, that is). Sick, I know.

Another thing, this killer seems to be highly organised and pretty neat with these burlap sacks (or wrapping bodies in burlap, do we know exactly and for sure which one is it?). He developed a pattern already, so I think people here are right, he had to kill before and there are more bodies to find

So he does it for some time, he's as I said neat and organised. I think it's some clean and quiet dude, one of those you wouldn't suspect to be capable of such things. Anyway that's my three cents, whatever it is worthy.

BBM

Dead on about the power and control thing, imo. But I believe that also extends to sexual sadism. I believe he sees many girls, and most of them don't end up dead. If that's true, then which one's DO end up dead? The ones who somehow insult him...make him feel weak, rob him of his power and control. Maybe Melissa was the one that never cowered or begged, and so he couldn't get closure with her without making those calls.I think the compelling fantasy for him is to be what he isn't in his ordinary life...strong, domineering, in control, a bad . He's nothing like that in real life, imo.

Don't know if I'm 100% sold on what I just wrote...I'm thinking as I type, really.

 

[fashionella]

Thank you, Websleuths, for some excellent detective work.

Are we finding motive here? A john who doesn't like to get ripped off blows a gasket and starts killing LI hookers?

I don't think so. I'm thinking some sort of evil cult, like a manson cult--a family of sorts. I just can't figure out how they think they can ambush johns with bats etc, and steal their money without having the cops called on them. But I guess when one is soliciting prostitution, one isn't going to call SCPD and say "hey I just tried to pay for sex and got jumped" SO, I guess I just answered my own Q. Maybe, Amber was trying to "get out" and they thought she could blow the lid off the operation and had to make her go away. They are going to crack this case--too many people who have been in contact with these girls, too many alive escorts who must know things. Didn't one of the victims say she got robbed right before she went missing??

 

[kikid]

BBM

Dead on about the power and control thing, imo. But I believe that also extends to sexual sadism. I believe he sees many girls, and most of them don't end up dead. If that's true, then which one's DO end up dead? The ones who somehow insult him...make him feel weak, rob him of his power and control. Maybe Melissa was the one that never cowered or begged, and so he couldn't get closure with her without making those calls.I think the compelling fantasy for him is to be what he isn't in his ordinary life...strong, domineering, in control, a bad . He's nothing like that in real life, imo.

Don't know if I'm 100% sold on what I just wrote...I'm thinking as I type, really.

just heard that quote on a newstation about half hour ago, I think HLN or maybe CNN? anyhow said the same thing.

 

[minazoe]

Well, psychopaths aren't the people you would describe as emotionally mature. I've been thinking... That what this... entity did (I won't call him human), calling the family... It is possible that it was more about control and power, than sadism. You know, he feels powerful, inflicting the pain on the family of his victim. He knows what happened to her, they know nothing, he rules (in his perverted mind, that is). Sick, I know.

Another thing, this killer seems to be highly organised and pretty neat with these burlap sacks (or wrapping bodies in burlap, do we know exactly and for sure which one is it?). He developed a pattern already, so I think people here are right, he had to kill before and there are more bodies to find

So he does it for some time, he's as I said neat and organised. I think it's some clean and quiet dude, one of those you wouldn't suspect to be capable of such things. Anyway that's my three cents, whatever it is worthy.

while Burlap can be thought of as not neat looking per say, in my experience Burlap tends to attract any thing loose in it's path...hairs and dust and things will kind of cling to it...at the same time it can shed...but it also would make it obvious where you needed to vacuum...if say you put it in your trunk.

Burlap probably would keep hair and stuff out of your trunk...i wonder what a forensic person would say...maybe because it attracts more loose material ...it also leaves more loose elements to test...

so you could say he is neat...he knows what works for him...or that it worked for that specific project.

 

[21merc7]

Please star out telephone numbers too, working or not, we can't do it. *** (Any identifying numbers or names...)

Just trying to help fellow newbies.

 

[Redbird]

I'm thinking the SK used burlap bags because they are biodegradable. Was he thinking they would not be found for a long, long time? Is he a green SK?

 

[21merc7]

BBM

Dead on about the power and control thing, imo. But I believe that also extends to sexual sadism. I believe he sees many girls, and most of them don't end up dead. If that's true, then which one's DO end up dead? The ones who somehow insult him...make him feel weak, rob him of his power and control. Maybe Melissa was the one that never cowered or begged, and so he couldn't get closure with her without making those calls.I think the compelling fantasy for him is to be what he isn't in his ordinary life...strong, domineering, in control, a bad . He's nothing like that in real life, imo.

Don't know if I'm 100% sold on what I just wrote...I'm thinking as I type, really.

Odd, I feel Melissa is the one that gave some compassion. Of course this is just my mind right now, could change when I think I know more, which is still nothing, lol.

 

[21merc7]

I'm thinking the SK used burlap bags because they are biodegradable. Was he thinking they would not be found for a long, long time? Is he a green SK?

Not green, just handy, no prints. Could degrade over time, but not in his mind. Just handy. Change it up with plastic, but wear gloves. Realized fibers could be there after decades, research maybe?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I'm thinking the SK used burlap bags because they are biodegradable. Was he thinking they would not be found for a long, long time? Is he a green SK?

I agree. Biodegradable, natural fibers, nearly identical in color to the surroundings. Trash bags are easy to see...burlap? Not so much.

I'm not convinced our SK ever did switch to plastic. But then, I guess I could be wrong.

 

[Redbird]

It's details like this that make one think he is intelligent, even though he may not be.