NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #9

[Seaslug44]

Interesting article.

If you read down to the comments section, you will discover the identity of the mysterious PeterF14.

Oh boy... this is another big coincidence (or is it?).

There is a person with the same name as PeterF14 who owns a boat named Searchin for a Rainbow. The boat is kept at his waterfront home in Babylon.

At the end of that block where he lives (and at the end of the creek where he keeps the boat) there is a perfect view across the bay to where the bodies were dumped (it's exactly South of his home).

Wait... it gets better...

The USCG makes public all records of "documented" boats. You can search their records here; USCG Documented Boat Search


According to those records, the person with the same name as PeterF14 owns a Sea Ray named Searchin for a Rainbow.

You can do a search yourself on that site and see!!

I happen to keep my boat in Babylon about a half mile away. There is a Sea Ray (not saying it's the same one) with that same name that is often seen cruising the State Boat Channel (that's the channel just North of Ocean Parkway that runs the full length of Jones' Island). It's also often seen anchored up in Hemlock Cove (a popular place to anchor a boat that is within a stone's throw of where the first set of bodies were found) as well as being found docked at one of the transient docks at Cedar Beach Marina (also within a stone's throw of where some of the remains were dumped). Cedar Beach Marina is for Babylon Town residents only.

Is this simply another strange coincidence?

Is PeterF14 simply very much interested in the case because like me he is familiar with the area by both land and sea (or is there another underlying reason???)?

 

[ItalinBella27]

Seaslug: Peter F14 is a 70 yr. old man who is a former Queens detective.

 

[svpernin]

I know this new information should indeed be " a bombshell." But I just go back to OB. My gut reaction is to reject the information. Of course, you will want to know, my gut reactions are always accurate. LOL.

I agree. I was thinking to myself yesterday when the cop articles came out that if this all ends up having no direct connection to anyone living in the OB community, I'll eat my hat.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Seaslug: Peter F14 is a 70 yr. old man who is a former Queens detective.

Hmmm...the only PF I was able to find was a financial advisor.

ETA: Ah. Nevermind, I found our detective. Thanks for the nudge in the right direction, ItalinBella.

 

[scandi]

From AOL & Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...?icid=main|htmlws-main-n|dl2|sec1_lnk1|213394

It was also reported today that an unnamed NYPD officer was one of the last people to contact one of the victims before she died. Maureen Brainard-Barnes, a Connecticut call girl who disappeared from Manhattan in 2007, was contacted by a cop living on Staten Island. The details of their conversation are unknown.

 

[Chanler]

It was also reported today that an unnamed NYPD officer was one of the last people to contact one of the victims before she died. Maureen Brainard-Barnes, a Connecticut call girl who disappeared from Manhattan in 2007, was contacted by a cop living on Staten Island. The details of their conversation are unknown.

It was also reported today that an unnamed NYPD officer was one of the last people to contact one of the victims before she died. Maureen Brainard-Barnes, a Connecticut call girl who disappeared from Manhattan in 2007, was contacted by a cop living on Staten Island. The details of their conversation are unknown.

Hi, Scandi; thanks, this is interesting. Investigators had denied the story, which had originated with The New York Post, that two NYPD were suspects, but to me, this is a non-denial denial: There are no suspects yet, just people of interest.

 

[Chanler]

I agree that his actions aren't the actions of your typical serial killer. But I don't agree that he did anything to help SG. If he tried to calm her down, he did so because her freaking out was bad news for him. He told her driver to come get SG only because he wanted SG out of his house after she pitched a fit because he wouldn't pay her.

Not exactly a good samaritan, imo.

Hi, Mountain Kat, I could not agree with you more about JB not being a good samaritan; not to mention that he was a john. He did everything out of worried self-interest. I don't think, however, that the dispute, if you can call it that, was over him not paying her. None of the interviews with the driver that I have seen indicate that and it would have been extremely unwise for JB to refuse payment with both the driver and the 911 caller in his presence. (When the driver came in and, presumably when he left, Shannan was on the 911 call, not arguing with JB.)

 

[MrsPC]

I've actually changed my stance on Brewer being the killer.

I feel strongly if they had any evidence linking him that they would have already arrested him by now. At first I thought maybe they were still waiting on other forensic evidence, but I really can't see police allowing a murderer to go free & possibly kill again if they have evidence linking him.

Brewer looks a little "shrimpy" IMO....and I have a hard time seeing him overpowering Megan Waterman.

I've been researching all the surrounding residents there....trying to find events that may have occurred in their lives that could be construed as "stressors" that may have precipated the killings.

 

[Reannan]

I've actually changed my stance on Brewer being the killer.

I feel strongly if they had any evidence linking him that they would have already arrested him by now. At first I thought maybe they were still waiting on other forensic evidence, but I really can't see police allowing a murderer to go free & possibly kill again if they have evidence linking him.

Brewer looks a little "shrimpy" IMO....and I have a hard time seeing him overpowering Megan Waterman.

I've been researching all the surrounding residents there....trying to find events that may have occurred in their lives that could be construed as "stressors" that may have precipated the killings.

I agree MrsPC. JB just seems like too big of a goofball to have pulled all of this off. I have found the article today regarding the NY police officer, Michael Perez. It is very interesting, but I cannot find any links to him and the Long Island area. There is an artist of the same name, but he is obviously a different person. In case you didn't see this article here is a link. It clearly shows how a law enforcement agency can make mistakes and possibly even be a bit corrupt and unethical.

http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/04/28/ronald-bower-twenty-years-of-torture/

I do not think this is necessarily linked to the GB4 and/or SG, except for being an example of how LE can sometimes turn a blind eye to wrong-doings of their own members. :twocents:

 

[Chanler]

I agree MrsPC. JB just seems like too big of a goofball to have pulled all of this off. I have found the article today regarding the NY police officer, Michael Perez. It is very interesting, but I cannot find any links to him and the Long Island area. There is an artist of the same name, but he is obviously a different person. In case you didn't see this article here is a link. It clearly shows how a law enforcement agency can make mistakes and possibly even be a bit corrupt and unethical.

http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/04/28/ronald-bower-twenty-years-of-torture/

I do not think this is necessarily linked to the GB4 and/or SG, except for being an example of how LE can sometimes turn a blind eye to wrong-doings of their own members. :twocents:

Reannan and MrsPC, I've always valued both your posts, even when we have had different perspectives. (Reannan, I liked your earlier post about some one listening in on police lines.)

Prostitutes are especially vulnerable to police because they have no recourse for protection at all. And over time, some police can develop very narrow views about the sordidness of sex workers. (Of course, some johns also carry around those degrading images.)

 

[Chanler]

I've actually changed my stance on Brewer being the killer.

I feel strongly if they had any evidence linking him that they would have already arrested him by now. At first I thought maybe they were still waiting on other forensic evidence, but I really can't see police allowing a murderer to go free & possibly kill again if they have evidence linking him.

Brewer looks a little "shrimpy" IMO....and I have a hard time seeing him overpowering Megan Waterman.

I've been researching all the surrounding residents there....trying to find events that may have occurred in their lives that could be construed as "stressors" that may have precipated the killings.

Hi, MrsPC, your post made me relook at pictures of Megan Waterman and I think that you have a good point.

I admire your hands-on sleuthing. I've done nothing comparable in this case.

During the BTK killings and the Green River murders, I began thinking that serial killers would favor murder or disposal sites at least somewhat distant from their homes.; a buffer, as it were. In the case of Rader, that held true with one exception: Late in his horrors, he slaughtered a near neighbor. You might be right about this isolated community; I'm wondering if it might be some Long Island resident/NYC commuter slightly further away.

In any case, good luck with your research.

 

[future criminologist]

SNIP from above link:

"... the officer, who lived on Staten Island, was one of the last people to contact her through Craigslist."

Can we connect any of these NYPD POIs (I believe there are 2 now, though NYPD is denying this, yada yada) to Oak Beach? Do either of them have any history with the area - grew up there, had an elderly aunt that he took care of there (per an SVU episode), lives there now, etc that would give him a reason to be there?

 

[shadowraiths]

Fyi, here are some old NY Times articles on Perez.

Police Say Officer Abducted and Raped Woman ( link )
By JACQUES STEINBERG, NY Times
Published: August 07, 1991

The officer, Michael Perez, an eight-year veteran of the police force who was assigned to the department's crime-prevention division, was arrested and charged with rape, kidnapping and sodomy, said a police spokesman, Sgt. Norris Hollomon. Officer Perez, who was not on duty at the time, was immediately suspended without pay, Sergeant Hollomon said.​

Officer Arrested Again in Another Rape in Queens ( link )
By JOSEPH P. FRIED, NY Times
Published: August 22, 1991

The officer, Michael Perez, 30 years old, was arrested again Tuesday night and arraigned in court yesterday in the earlier attack, which occurred about 5 A.M. on June 16 in Rego Park. His initial arrest, about 5:30 A.M. on Aug. 6, occurred shortly after a woman in Flushing was kidnapped and sexually assaulted.​

Jailed Man and Jailer Team Up in Effort to Reopen a Sexual Assault Case ( link )
By WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM, NY Times
Published: July 06, 2004

Mr. Huff also found that the two sex attacks for which the officer was arrested -- he was acquitted at separate trials, contending that the sex was consensual -- were nearly identical to some of the earlier assaults but occurred after Mr. Bower was jailed.​

​

 

[Reannan]

I wonder if this is the same officer Michael Pererz, and whose story does the part I bolded below remind you of???

http://www.queensda.org/newpressreleases/2010/february/brown_sen_2_9_2010.pdf


"February 9, 2010:

QUEENS MAN FIRST IN NEW YORK STATE
TO BE SENTENCED UNDER SEX TRAFFICKING STATUTE
Victim Made To Work As Prostitute While Defendant Acted As Her Pimp

The District Attorney identified the defendant as David Brown, 32, of 188-52 120th Road in St. Albans, Queens. The defendant was convicted in December 2009 of second-degree kidnapping, sex trafficking, third-degree promoting prostitution, first-degree unlawful imprisonment and thirddegree
assault following a two-week jury trial before Queens Supreme Court Justice Michael Aloise. Justice Aloise today declared the defendant, who has six felony convictions, to be a persistent felony offender which allows for a sentence enhancement. The defendant was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.

The District Attorney said that, according to trial testimony, in August 2008, the 19-year-old victim was “sold” to Brown by an ex-girlfriend who was an acquaintance of the victim’s for $2,000. The defendant told the victim that she would be his “*****” and that she would work as a prostitute in order to earn him money. Brown also told her that she was not allowed to talk to her family or friends or leave his apartment without him or else he would beat her and cut up her body to make sure that no one would know she was dead. Whenever Brown left the location, he would have someone watch the victim to make sure that she didn’t leave.

Trial testimony also revealed that Brown took nude photographs of the victim in various poses and posted the photographs on Craigslist to advertise her services as a prostitute. Testimony showed that during a 12-day period in August the victim engaged in sexual acts with approximately thirty men in exchange for cash – ranging from $60 to $200 – which she turned over to Brown.

Finally, on August 23, 2008, the victim managed to escape from Brown’s residence when left alone. However, the next morning, Brown and an unapprehended male found her at a location on Lefferts Avenue near Far Rockaway. Brown and the unapprehended male who was holding a gun
approached her and Brown grabbed her by the wrist and said that she had to come back with him to earn him money as a prostitute before forcing her into a car. The victim eventually was able to telephone a friend who called police.

District Attorney Brown said that Brown and a co-defendant, Nino Isakadze, 21, were originally arrested on August 24, 2008, on charges of raping the victim and forcing her into prostitution. ......

The investigation was conducted by the New York City Police Department’s Queens Gang Squad – specifically Police Officer Michael Perez and Detective Anthony Bachiller under the supervision of Sergeant Patrick Delaney – and the Vice Major Case Squad – specifically Detective Paul Carlin and Detective George Munoz, under the overall supervision of Chief Brian Conroy. Sergeant Evelyn Alegre of the District Attorney’s Detective Bureau, under the supervision of Chief Lawrence J. Festa, also helped with the investigation. ....."

 

[dcgrumpy]

I wonder if this is the same officer Michael Pererz, and whose story does the part I bolded below remind you of???

http://www.queensda.org/newpressreleases/2010/february/brown_sen_2_9_2010.pdf


"February 9, 2010:

QUEENS MAN FIRST IN NEW YORK STATE
TO BE SENTENCED UNDER SEX TRAFFICKING STATUTE
Victim Made To Work As Prostitute While Defendant Acted As Her Pimp

The District Attorney identified the defendant as David Brown, 32, of 188-52 120th Road in St. Albans, Queens. The defendant was convicted in December 2009 of second-degree kidnapping, sex trafficking, third-degree promoting prostitution, first-degree unlawful imprisonment and thirddegree
assault following a two-week jury trial before Queens Supreme Court Justice Michael Aloise. Justice Aloise today declared the defendant, who has six felony convictions, to be a persistent felony offender which allows for a sentence enhancement. The defendant was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.

The District Attorney said that, according to trial testimony, in August 2008, the 19-year-old victim was “sold” to Brown by an ex-girlfriend who was an acquaintance of the victim’s for $2,000. The defendant told the victim that she would be his “*****” and that she would work as a prostitute in order to earn him money. Brown also told her that she was not allowed to talk to her family or friends or leave his apartment without him or else he would beat her and cut up her body to make sure that no one would know she was dead. Whenever Brown left the location, he would have someone watch the victim to make sure that she didn’t leave.

Trial testimony also revealed that Brown took nude photographs of the victim in various poses and posted the photographs on Craigslist to advertise her services as a prostitute. Testimony showed that during a 12-day period in August the victim engaged in sexual acts with approximately thirty men in exchange for cash – ranging from $60 to $200 – which she turned over to Brown.

Finally, on August 23, 2008, the victim managed to escape from Brown’s residence when left alone. However, the next morning, Brown and an unapprehended male found her at a location on Lefferts Avenue near Far Rockaway. Brown and the unapprehended male who was holding a gun
approached her and Brown grabbed her by the wrist and said that she had to come back with him to earn him money as a prostitute before forcing her into a car. The victim eventually was able to telephone a friend who called police.

District Attorney Brown said that Brown and a co-defendant, Nino Isakadze, 21, were originally arrested on August 24, 2008, on charges of raping the victim and forcing her into prostitution. ......

The investigation was conducted by the New York City Police Department’s Queens Gang Squad – specifically Police Officer Michael Perez and Detective Anthony Bachiller under the supervision of Sergeant Patrick Delaney – and the Vice Major Case Squad – specifically Detective Paul Carlin and Detective George Munoz, under the overall supervision of Chief Brian Conroy. Sergeant Evelyn Alegre of the District Attorney’s Detective Bureau, under the supervision of Chief Lawrence J. Festa, also helped with the investigation. ....."

The other Michael Perez resigned in 1997 http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/04/28/ronald-bower-twenty-years-of-torture/2/

Perez, who resigned from the NYPD in 1997 after an Internal Affairs Bureau investigation discovered him peeping into apartment windows and soliciting a prostitute, did not return multiple calls and messages left at his home from the Press seeking comment for this story.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Hi, Mountain Kat, I could not agree with you more about JB not being a good samaritan; not to mention that he was a john. He did everything out of worried self-interest. I don't think, however, that the dispute, if you can call it that, was over him not paying her. None of the interviews with the driver that I have seen indicate that and it would have been extremely unwise for JB to refuse payment with both the driver and the 911 caller in his presence. (When the driver came in and, presumably when he left, Shannan was on the 911 call, not arguing with JB.)

You may be right about those comments not coming from MP. I thought I'd read his account of the refusual to pay, but maybe I have him confused with Brewer. :waitasec:

http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking/gilbert-vanishing-reaches-one-year-mark-1.2849214

In December, Brewer declined to elaborate on his time with Gilbert, except to say he didn't have sexual contact with her. He said he told her to leave after she demanded money.

 

[minazoe]

I wonder if at this particular juncture...where Shannan is calling 911...

I wonder if Shannan is not only minus her driver money, but other money as well...I wonder if MP procured drugs for her...a drug debt would compound the situation.

what are the possible reprecussions for Shannan?

would she have to resort to looking for johns on the street? would she get her kicked? would she be unable to recoup the kind of money she would have gotten from JB? in one tranaction at that hour?

I am just trying to think like a working girl in trouble.

 

[Reannan]

The other Michael Perez resigned in 1997 http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/04/28/ronald-bower-twenty-years-of-torture/2/

Thanks dc!!! I thought I had read that, but did not know if perhaps he had been rehired or went to work with a different group. Does anyone know what he is doing now???

 

[Chanler]

You may be right about those comments not coming from MP. I thought I'd read his account of the refusual to pay, but maybe I have him confused with Brewer. :waitasec:

http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking/gilbert-vanishing-reaches-one-year-mark-1.2849214

In December, Brewer declined to elaborate on his time with Gilbert, except to say he didn't have sexual contact with her. He said he told her to leave after she demanded money.

Hi, Mountain Kat. Great find. It would be interesting to know whether Brewer was refusing outright to pay her or, more likely, whether he was refusing to pay her for time beyond the two hours originally arranged or perhaps declining to "tip" her for services rendered or not rendered. (Perhaps Brewer thought that Shannan's erratic behavior justified his reducing the previously agreed upon fee.) One imagines that, with a driver waiting outside and a 911 operator already involved, Brewer would probably feel some pressure to pay her at least the bare minimum.

Just writing this makes me realize again how slimy the whole prostitution business is.

 

[Redbird]

I think it is most likely that she provided services and he paid her. She was there three hours. JB told a different ridiculous story because prostitution is illegal and he was trying to cover his , as was the driver.