NY-LI-4 bodies on Beach-Possible SK-12/10-All id'd,4 more found 3/11 #4

[evelyn24]

this PH is not the same doctor that was mention on Shannan face book page.
Topic: Facts about the case
About a week ago.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Prayi...all#!/topic.php?uid=168485149857128&topic=230

so I really confused now!

I can't find her comment on the link you provided in which she mentions someone else. What comment is it? Sorry but I don't see it.
:/

 

[Soulmagent]

I am listening to the Radio blog interveiw now. I an noticing how crazy it is that Shannon disapeared in plain sight of many people. She made a trail of witnesses and 911 was given information. It really makes no sence at all. From why she was scared to how she disapeared. Is there a cult?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Shannon's disappearance didn't make the media or news until months later after they found the remains of one of the first four victims.

So that would lead me to believe the caller was the SK. If Shannon never made it out of that gated community alive that night (and I don't believe that she did), who would be the most likely people to have had access to her phone? She was called to perform a service at the home of JB and fled is home in terror that night. JB had a guest that night. So JB and this drifter are definitely likely candidates. Her driver is also a likely candidate, since he was called to pick her up, and according to some accounts, entered the home of JB. I don't know who the driver of the SUV observed by GC was, but I'm assuming it was either SG's driver, or someone from JB's home. PH has to be a candidate simply because he lives in the gated community and someone made the call to SG's mom claiming to be him.

That's it as far as I'm concerned. Those are the only likely candidates. SG didn't flee a house in terror, head down the road on her own, and then just coincidentally run into a serial killer. This is not a highly trafficked area in the daytime, much less at 4 am (?).

 

[Reannan]

A new question occurred to me as I was trying to do that summary. It is generally agreed that the Asian driver saw Shannon at JB's house, right? I don't recall even the driver disputing that fact, because the driver himself said that Shannon seemed high. Well, what the heck was he doing at JB's while Shannon was running all over the neighborhood banging on doors? How do you explain the time lag that allows Shannon to run out from under his nose from JB's house, over to GC's house, then run out of there to another ladie's house??? What were JB and the driver doing while Shannon was running around? I don't understand why the driver didn't just follow Shannon out of the house right away. Maybe it was the Asian guy that called Shannon's Mom and pretended to be the doctor. :waitasec: Good grief.

 

[Redbird]

So that would lead me to believe the caller was the SK. If Shannon never made it out of that gated community alive that night (and I don't believe that she did), who would be the most likely people to have had access to her phone? She was called to perform a service at the home of JB and fled is home in terror that night. JB had a guest that night. So JB and this drifter are definitely likely candidates. Her driver is also a likely candidate, since he was called to pick her up, and according to some accounts, entered the home of JB. I don't know who the driver of the SUV observed by GC was, but I'm assuming it was either SG's driver, or someone from JB's home. PH has to be a candidate simply because he lives in the gated community and someone made the call to SG's mom claiming to be him.

That's it as far as I'm concerned. Those are the only likely candidates. SG didn't flee a house in terror, head down the road on her own, and then just coincidentally run into a serial killer. This is not a highly trafficked area in the daytime, much less at 4 am (?).

I think you have summed things up very well!

 

[evelyn24]

I figured at least some of the women were dismembered to have been put into a burlap bag.

I agree.

 

[Redbird]

It isn't totally clear to me if "the Asian guy" and "the driver" are the same person. Does anybody know for sure?

 

[epiphany]

No, this is the right doctor we have been talking about. The lady commenting on the facebook page was confused. There is another doctor with the initials KU who did lived there but sold his house and moved away. The sister thought the lady commenting was referring to PH when she made the comment she didn't know his house was for sale.

But I don't see a comment where Shannan's sister states that the doc admitted to the two sisters when they went to LI that he DID make the call, BUT denied everything else.

The sister states that when she & her sis spoke to him in person, "he denied it." Could mean that the doc denied everything-the call and Shannan staying, etc.

 

[Aleph]

Perhaps, you can email and ask. Never know. You could be surprised!

American Indians of Long Island, NY
By the year 1643 there were thirteen different Indian Tribes living on Long Island:

Canarsie, Rockaway, Matinecock, Merrick, Massapequa, Nissequoge, Secatoag, Seatauket, Patchoag, Corchaug, Shinnecock, Manhasset and Montauk.

I'll go out on a limb and say that none of those tribes wore florescent feathered headdresses. I'll step on another one and say that the current members of those tribes don't dress up like this either.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

A new question occurred to me as I was trying to do that summary. It is generally agreed that the Asian driver saw Shannon at JB's house, right? I don't recall even the driver disputing that fact, because the driver himself said that Shannon seemed high. Well, what the heck was he doing at JB's while Shannon was running all over the neighborhood banging on doors? How do you explain the time lag that allows Shannon to run out from under his nose from JB's house, over to GC's house, then run out of there to another ladie's house??? What were JB and the driver doing while Shannon was running around? I don't understand why the driver didn't just follow Shannon out of the house right away. Maybe it was the Asian guy that called Shannon's Mom and pretended to be the doctor. :waitasec: Good grief.

Great questions, Reannan! (And great summary earlier!)

Here's where I get confused: Do we know for a fact that SG's driver was in fact the asian man GC observed in the SUV? Is it possible this was a different man, someone attending the "party" at JB's? Also, it's a gated community...how did the driver get in unless someone from JB's went down and let him in? Did he have a code? A card? A key? If not, who went down and opened the gate? Where was Shannan while this occurred? Just sitting in the livingroom talking to 911? If she's calling 911 from the home, why does she flee only when her driver shows up? Wouldn't she have seen him as protection, a way to leave the home and the people she was so afraid of?

The whole thing is just crazy.

 

[shadowraiths]

Recounting of the so-called "boyfriend" (imo, pimp) and driver's stories. ( link )

 

[SK_Hunter]

I would be interested in knowing all construction, landscaping, past and present residents in that community's background. I know we cannot do this but something tells me that the SK is either the DR himself, or someone that lives, lived, worked in that neighborhood. Perhaps he got his victims to come to the Dr. House as a ruse, and met them on the entrance to the community?

Wonder if someone has a beef not only with prostitutes but the Dr too?

This is a cleaver SK if you ask me....he is doing some things that are so A-typical of what we would read SK doing. Then we get a twist of something else.

Example: The SK would have us or LE believe that it is a religious type hate of prostitutes. Which is stereotypical of SK we have all heard and read about. Then this SK wants LE to look at the DR...I don't think this is to throw them off the track of finding the SK but rather, this is a cat and mouse game he is playing with LE. Also stereotypical. Don't forget calling a family member too.

Burlap Sacks I bet had writing on them....probably has meaning but only LE would know this and has not told the public. My guess is this SK has left all kinds of clues but they all are typical past SK MO type stuff.

This SK is patient, thought process he can see few steps in advance, more than normal people is what I mean.

I'm willing to bet that this guy is so far away from any of these clues that he is trying us to go towards.

Who knows, maybe more information tomorrow. I would love to hear what exactly the full FBI profile of this SK is.

In polite response to your construction inquiry, this is from the Oak Beach Civic website and I apologize if previously posted. Its the last submission and here is a small excerpt:

"At the beach down in front of our house by the extension of land called the sore thumb winter dredging takes place every few years, though this year it has been three years since the last time, evoking complaints about boats foundering because of developing sand bars. The object of the dredging is to pump sand from the inlet and send it through large pipes to a spot to fill in erosion near Gilgo Beach. We have gone down to see the process several times and have been delighted to see seals on the pipe. "

"The dredge, here all winter, is preparing to leave now. A second boat with a crane gathers all the pipes that have been laid along the beach starting from in front of our house all the way down to Gilgo Beach several miles away."

This was the scene supposedly in April of 2008. Dredge worker? Has AC been dredged recently?? Daytona Beach??

 

[Mountain_Kat]

It isn't totally clear to me if "the Asian guy" and "the driver" are the same person. Does anybody know for sure?

Nope...not at all clear to me. :waitasec:

 

[Soulmagent]

I thought the truck looked like a CSX truck. Which is a railroad company. This link has schedules.


http://www.mta.info/lirr/TrainTalk/

 

[evelyn24]

A new question occurred to me as I was trying to do that summary. It is generally agreed that the Asian driver saw Shannon at JB's house, right? I don't recall even the driver disputing that fact, because the driver himself said that Shannon seemed high. Well, what the heck was he doing at JB's while Shannon was running all over the neighborhood banging on doors? How do you explain the time lag that allows Shannon to run out from under his nose from JB's house, over to GC's house, then run out of there to another ladie's house??? What were JB and the driver doing while Shannon was running around? I don't understand why the driver didn't just follow Shannon out of the house right away. Maybe it was the Asian guy that called Shannon's Mom and pretended to be the doctor. :waitasec: Good grief.

The driver's actions seem blase' but then again in his line of work I'm sure he's beyond jaded. A "I've seen it all" kind of thing. He was probably rolling his eyes as she was running around screaming.
Also the fear to get LE involved, after all there was an illegal activity taking place that night.
Most people doing that for a living don't want to deal with the cops if they don't have to deal with them.

 

[Filly]

NJGuy, Our sleuths spvernin and Internetgirl have been sleuthing escort review sites for comments on the known victims. One guy stated that he got his start in AC and took a 'foot taxi' to a massage parlor where he had a great time. Then he says that there is no place like that on LI!

Anyway, just wanted to catch you up since you are still new and your post made me think of this. We all thought 'foot taxi' was a strange term for rickshaw, especially since the AC victims were found without shoes and socks.

Hi WM,

Although this has been mentioned I wanted to revisit.

If there's anything I can tell you for certain is that "foot taxi" has nothing to do with the women missing shoes and socks.

Whoever that dude is that posted that about his fun time carousing with call girls is either young or foreign to AC. That's because they are not called foot taxi's. Nobody calls them foot taxis. I think NJGuy will agree.

They are rolling chairs. I can see where someone may call them foot taxis, but they are unique to AC dating waaaaaaaaaay back.


Here's a picture of one for ya.


http://www.atlanticcitynj.com/attachments/ImageLib/BW_rollingchair_lr.jpg



At some point someone must have sold some old ones because friends of my parents used one as a whimsical piece on their patio. They both have passed so I wouldn't be able to ask who sold them.

Definately nothing to do with feet.

Just wanted to revisit as I said because I could see me thinking that if I was not familiar.

 

[Soulmagent]

You know, reading your post it dawned on me for the first time (duh!) that whoever DID call SG's mom, claiming to be the doctor, had to somehow know the mother's phone number. Either SG supplied it, or they got it from SG's cell phone, or they knew who SG's mom was and how to find her number.

We have SG missing, and not heard from since that night of the "party", so I doubt she gave the caller the number and asked him to call her mom and tell her she was okay. I also doubt that the caller knew SG's mom, or even knew her name. So, that leads me to believe the caller took the number from SG's cell phone. And since we have another case of the SK obtaining a family number from a victims cell phone, I think this is a reasonable assumption.

The question is: who exactly WAS that caller? :waitasec:

In polite response to your construction inquiry, this is from the Oak Beach Civic website and I apologize if previously posted. Its the last submission and here is a small excerpt:

"At the beach down in front of our house by the extension of land called the sore thumb winter dredging takes place every few years, though this year it has been three years since the last time, evoking complaints about boats foundering because of developing sand bars. The object of the dredging is to pump sand from the inlet and send it through large pipes to a spot to fill in erosion near Gilgo Beach. We have gone down to see the process several times and have been delighted to see seals on the pipe. "

"The dredge, here all winter, is preparing to leave now. A second boat with a crane gathers all the pipes that have been laid along the beach starting from in front of our house all the way down to Gilgo Beach several miles away."

This was the scene supposedly in April of 2008. Dredge worker? Has AC been dredged recently?? Daytona Beach??

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=eee2be62e28a51c1195afb0eb3b5088c&tab=core&_cview=1

MountainKats post was included accidnetly. <-- ha! um accidentally. Sorry

 

[Aleph]

But I don't see a comment where Shannan's sister states that the doc admitted to the two sisters when they went to LI that he DID make the call, BUT denied everything else.

The sister states that when she & her sis spoke to him in person, "he denied it." Could mean that the doc denied everything-the call and Shannan staying, etc.

If I remember right, they said he said that he "didn't recall" doing it. I find that to be a very soft, politician-like denial.

To those who suspect that the real perp just used the doctor's name to throw LE off track: why use this particular doctor's name? Why not pretend to be someone from a real rehab, or just make up a name? If this is what happened, they weren't necessarily trying to be plausible, they would be trying to frame the doctor.

Also, the doctor might have the inside scoop on who goes missing and when, because of the "police surgeon" connection.

 

[evelyn24]

Another thing occurred to me. There could be a lot more to the driver's story we are not hearing because LE asked him to keep quiet. So many questions will be answered if/when there is an arrest.
Some questions might not ever be answered, though.

 

[Aleph]

Nope...not at all clear to me. :waitasec:

It's never been 100% clear to me, either.