Found Alive NY - Rachael Mattice, 24, Wells, 22 June 2016

[ninij9]

For now I'm going with the earlier reports of friends and relatives that said her doors were open etc. Did we ever get a confirmation on her sighting in town? Are we confirmed a neighbor saw her?

If LE asked family and friends not to repeat the details, I would guess maybe they have someone/something in mind. (I hope), and they don't want to risk tipping their hand.

This really sux.

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[LisaWL7TR]

For now I'm going with the earlier reports of friends and relatives that said her doors were open etc. Did we ever get a confirmation on her sighting in town? Are we confirmed a neighbor saw her?

If LE asked family and friends not to repeat the details, I would guess maybe they have someone/something in mind. (I hope), and they don't want to risk tipping their hand.

This really sux.

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It is very confusing. I believe in a previous report above...a neighbor didn't see any other cars come down the road. It is not known who was driving the car or whether she was alone...just her car.
I just wish we knew more about the neighbor and who lived with the neighbor.

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[ninij9]

I don't know if this photo is taken at her "camp", but the sign on the door appears to be written in a female hand and is interesting. I am thinking about what may have been "missing".

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[Curious Me]

Let's entertain the thought that LE has someone in mind, but they don't want to risk tipping them off because then that person would...what? How long they going to keep it secret and wait to rescue Rachael?

I can only surmise at this point in time, ten days in, that the sheriff is expecting to find a body out there in the water or the wooded terrain. If any of her family or friends really believe there were signs of possible abduction, then it's time to speak out and start challenging LE's assumptions.

Somebody could have or could be witnessing something right this minute that might help rescue her, but no one told them this was an abduction. I hope we can trust what LE has concluded, which is that she just disappeared in an ordinary way.

:cow: A frustrated MOO.

 

[Plumeria5]

I don't know if this photo is taken at her "camp", but the sign on the door appears to be written in a female hand and is interesting. I am thinking about what may have been "missing".

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Is that blood on the deck of the camp?

Wow! What a great find! Sure looks like it could be the camp front door.

 

[ninij9]

Is that blood on the deck of the camp?

Wow! What a great find! Sure looks like it could be the camp front door.

Not blood, it is just my crappy screenshot. It was the bottom of a picture of a bridge near the candlelight vigil. Sorry.

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[LLLindsayy]

Today me and the mister went on a short hike at Vroman's Nose in Schoharie County. It is about 33 miles from Johnstown (where Rachael is from) and 68 miles from Wells (where she is missing from). I was beyond happy to see Rachael's missing poster there and I was not the one who put it there.



Also, either yesterday or this morning a sleuth asked what time it gets dark here. We were out watching fireworks tonight so I decided to take some pics. One at ~9:00, one at 9:15, and then one at 9:30. Given only about a 10 day difference, this is almost exactly what would have been the case in Wells on June 22.



I've done quite a bit of thinking and have come to almost the same conclusion as you guys have. It sounds like there are only two options that will play out here.

1.) They have evidence Rachael has left on her own (suicide, runaway)
2.) They are focusing on one specific person as their suspect and don't need help from the public

 

[Curious Me]

Sign says, "This little house is protected by a BIG loaded GUN."

It looks like it could be posted at the camp. Makes me wonder if that gun was still there. Cute sign, but... It's sort of a "no need to bring your own weapon sign" for anyone who'd visited there before. Thing is to a criminal that is an invitation to come steal the gun and use it to ambush me when I'm just arriving home and still out in my car.

Rachael seems like such a attractive, wholesome girl with such a lovely complexion. Everyone that knows her seems to like her. I saw a lot of "hope she comes home" or "come home" comments at first, but I never got the feeling it was her choice to be missing. It seems like she knows to take precautions and wouldn't go off hiking in the dark alone by choice. I don't know what to think.

 

[Curious Me]

Sure gets really dark by 9:30 p.m. Her family and friends have done a wonderful job getting so many flyers out there and gained social media attention. Rachael's face is all over the place now. They must believe or hope she's out where someone may spot her, not out there lost in the woods. I hope for them that she is found alive soon. Prayers.

 

[hatchz]

Based on the below linked videos from Rachael's vigil, it seems more likely that her campsite in somewhere in the vicinity of the below marked map. I based this on 1. the video(s) show a fork off of Hernandez road to a dirt road named "Genesee Street" that leads to her campsite and has been blocked off by LE. 2. Based off multiple articles that were linked by others (please correct me if I am wrong), her campsite was described as being on a narrow dirt road alongside the Sacandaga river.
The general site marked on the below map seems to be the only area (that is visible on the available maps) that matches this criteria.

Video Links:
http://wnyt.com/news/vigil-for-missing-johnstown-woman/4185218/

http://cbs6albany.com/news/local/search-still-underway-for-rachael-mattice

What I also found interesting from the WNYT video was Rachael's aunt's interview in which she states that Rachael's friend CN was supposed to stay with Rachael at the campsite the weekend after Rachael went missing, and that Rachael's friend actually showed up to the campsite on Friday (the same day Rachael's father arrived at the campsite and reported Rachael missing). Could it be that Rachael's friend was the first to arrive and alerted Rachel's father when she realized that Rachael was not there? With so much little information being released about this case, it leads me to question some of the initial media reports.

Also useful in the WNYT video is the visual of the bridge area in which Rachael last texted her mother at 9:15(?) PM. Based off of the video, and google map images, a possible area for this text was the intersection of old state road 30 and county road 5, where there is a parking area.

 

[LLLindsayy]

The article says (BBM)

That can't be quite accurate, as there should at least have been indication of her father being there (shoeprints, tire tracks, fingerprints) at the time the police arrived at the scene. I feel bad for asking this, but is it certain her father had nothing to do with her disappearance? I don't know anything about their relationship...

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Few-leads-in-Adirondacks-search-for-woman-8335091.php

Another thing they've said also shows that this can't be accurate.

Collins says she doesn't believe Rachel would leave without a trace on her own.

“One of her friends made plans to come up for the weekend and spend the weekend with her,” Collins said. “The poor girl showed up here Friday with her baby,” she said.

Collins was referring to Rachael's best friend, Cynthia Nellis.

"It's really hard, we've been friends since we were 4 years old," Nellis said.

So clearly her friend was up there too on Friday...

http://wnyt.com/news/vigil-for-missing-johnstown-woman/4185218/

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I don't know if this photo is taken at her "camp", but the sign on the door appears to be written in a female hand and is interesting. I am thinking about what may have been "missing".

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If a gun was missing, I think suicide is the most likely answer. [emoji20] especially if the report about her telling her mom she was going on a hike is true. Abduction doesn't make sense to me... it's such an isolated place, why would an attacker feel a need to take her somewhere else?

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[Jilllian]

The article says (BBM)

That can't be quite accurate, as there should at least have been indication of her father being there (shoeprints, tire tracks, fingerprints) at the time the police arrived at the scene. I feel bad for asking this, but is it certain her father had nothing to do with her disappearance? I don't know anything about their relationship...

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Few-leads-in-Adirondacks-search-for-woman-8335091.php

By all accounts he appears to be a very, very broken man, and understandably so.
Sometimes family members come here to read about the searches for their missing loved ones.
I hope he doesn't.

 

[Jilllian]

This is one of the most bizarre cases I've followed on WS.
If she was suicidal, which I'm doubting at this point, why leave the car running and the door open?
It rained a little that day (or night?) up in Wells, so the search dogs could have lost her scent as a result.
I don't believe she would go off hiking on her own past 9:00 at night. That doesn't make sense. Up in the Adirondacks, it gets super dark, to where you can't see your hand in front of your face at night.

Without any info from the police, it's as if she disappeared into thin air.
I suspect they know much more than we do at this stage of the game.

 

[Lolly85x]

Today me and the mister went on a short hike at Vroman's Nose in Schoharie County. It is about 33 miles from Johnstown (where Rachael is from) and 68 miles from Wells (where she is missing from). I was beyond happy to see Rachael's missing poster there and I was not the one who put it there.

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Also, either yesterday or this morning a sleuth asked what time it gets dark here. We were out watching fireworks tonight so I decided to take some pics. One at ~9:00, one at 9:15, and then one at 9:30. Given only about a 10 day difference, this is almost exactly what would have been the case in Wells on June 22.

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I've done quite a bit of thinking and have come to almost the same conclusion as you guys have. It sounds like there are only two options that will play out here.

1.) They have evidence Rachael has left on her own (suicide, runaway)
2.) They are focusing on one specific person as their suspect and don't need help from the public

Thank you so much for the pictures about the darkness. It was me who had asked. This makes me even more confused.
If she really had text her mum to say she was going a hike, would her mum not have been alarmed? Why hike in the dark? And then would her mum not have been worried if she knew she was on a hike and then didn't get in touch the next day? Surly that would send alarm bells straight away.

Also does anyone know if she was supposed to attend work on the Thursday?

 

[LLLindsayy]

Thank you so much for the pictures about the darkness. It was me who had asked. This makes me even more confused.
If she really had text her mum to say she was going a hike, would her mum not have been alarmed? Why hike in the dark? And then would her mum not have been worried if she knew she was on a hike and then didn't get in touch the next day? Surly that would send alarm bells straight away.

Also does anyone know if she was supposed to attend work on the Thursday?

I thought about that yesterday! Both things you said -- her mom said she spoke to her 2-3x per day. Was she worried when she didn't hear from her Thursday? And as far as working Thursday...I have no idea.

 

[LLLindsayy]

I asked once and didn't hear any opinions. Just thinking out loud here. Most cases I've followed on here are stranger abductions, so a reward is standard. But in cases where it's either a missing hiker or suspected suicicde (not saying that's what Rachael is, but on the premise the "going for a hike" text is legit), do we ordinarily see a reward offered? Especially from a Crime Stoppers unit?

 

[ninij9]

Based on the below linked videos from Rachael's vigil, it seems more likely that her campsite in somewhere in the vicinity of the below marked map. I based this on 1. the video(s) show a fork off of Hernandez road to a dirt road named "Genesee Street" that leads to her campsite and has been blocked off by LE. 2. Based off multiple articles that were linked by others (please correct me if I am wrong), her campsite was described as being on a narrow dirt road alongside the Sacandaga river.
The general site marked on the below map seems to be the only area (that is visible on the available maps) that matches this criteria.

Video Links:
http://wnyt.com/news/vigil-for-missing-johnstown-woman/4185218/

http://cbs6albany.com/news/local/search-still-underway-for-rachael-mattice

What I also found interesting from the WNYT video was Rachael's aunt's interview in which she states that Rachael's friend CN was supposed to stay with Rachael at the campsite the weekend after Rachael went missing, and that Rachael's friend actually showed up to the campsite on Friday (the same day Rachael's father arrived at the campsite and reported Rachael missing). Could it be that Rachael's friend was the first to arrive and alerted Rachel's father when she realized that Rachael was not there? With so much little information being released about this case, it leads me to question some of the initial media reports.

Also useful in the WNYT video is the visual of the bridge area in which Rachael last texted her mother at 9:15(?) PM. Based off of the video, and google map images, a possible area for this text was the intersection of old state road 30 and county road 5, where there is a parking area.

Argh. So much frustration, ok CN is the girl who let the details out of
the bag regarding the camp door and car running early on, now supposedly she was there on Friday? With her baby? Wonder why she didn't mention that in her FB plea? (No suspicion, just curious). Ok maybe Dad must have gotten there first because "he goes every Friday" according to multiple quoted sources. But why would he go if she was having a girls weekend? I'm beginning to think there's more than one structure on this camp probably?

Also, it's says in there that police were interested in the way the camp was left?

Now for the really confusing snippet: Rachel's uncle said she was at the town's dam when she texted her mother
JUST BEFORE SHE WAS LAST SEEN on June 22.

Ok, so she texted her mom FROM the dam? Or that she was AT the dam? AND THEN she was seen? I thought she texted mom from entrance to camp?Crappy journalism at its very finest. No clarity. Yuck. I do more when I post here.

Only way I can make sense out of that mess is to find out what time she had dinner with family, if it was afternoon then perhaps she went for a hike (as earlier mentioned) perhaps near the dam. Then later drove home.
Ugh I don't know. But it makes me hopeful that now I think police have LOADS more information than I first thought. I'm going with foul play. Where are you Rachael?

And I forgot, apparently she left a dog behind. Where, at her folks or back at the camp?????



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[kimi_SFC]

I asked once and didn't hear any opinions. Just thinking out loud here. Most cases I've followed on here are stranger abductions, so a reward is standard. But in cases where it's either a missing hiker or suspected suicicde (not saying that's what Rachael is, but on the premise the "going for a hike" text is legit), do we ordinarily see a reward offered? Especially from a Crime Stoppers unit?

RBBM:
It is not out if the ordinary to see rewards offered from Crime Stoppers:

crime stoppers and rewards - Google Search
https://www.google.com/search?clien...iotdfNAhUY5GMKHcCeD7gQBQgXKAA&biw=375&bih=559

HTH...


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[ninij9]

If a gun was missing, I think suicide is the most likely answer. [emoji20] especially if the report about her telling her mom she was going on a hike is true. Abduction doesn't make sense to me... it's such an isolated place, why would an attacker feel a need to take her somewhere else?

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It's funny how we can see s situation so different. I'm thinking the exact opposite. Mostly because when suicide is suspected, you begin to hear snippets of things like : she hasn't been herself lately, shes recently suffered a great loss, she has struggled with depression before , etc etc. Here the deeper I dig the more I read that she was joyful, fun, happy, nature living, family oriented, a little firecracker, loyal, etc. Now I know a depressed person can put on quite a convincing show, I know this, but her social media is free of all those self examining quotes and sad thoughts, none of her friends or family have even squeaked at a hint of trouble. No drug culture posts. Nothing, nada. Hmmmm.
This would really be a first one like that for me where everyone was blindsided by a suicide, though I bet it has happened.

I think C that some that perhaps knew of her, or knew her, and knew of her comings and goings took her. Took her away from that secluded place because he wanted to take his time and knew her family habits. Perhaps this was a friend even.

Of course all jmo. I hope I'm wrong and she just had to get away (but from what? She was already "away"!!!!

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