NY NY - Sylvia Lwowski, 22, Staten Island, 6 Sept 1975 - #1

[Jmoose]

Rose

I am not sure...

I will have a look

He is connected to the missing girl, I don't know


ANYONE?????????

I don't think it is a good idea to refer to the BF/F by name publically at this time, since he might have been involved in Sylvia's disappearance-I realize that his name is not secret since it appears in the engagement announcement, but it appears that he has a life and family and a profession. If somebody does a google search, these posts are going to pop up. If somebody wants to, they can certainly find his name, but let them dig for it.

 

[Dushi]

I don't think it is a good idea to refer to the BF/F by name publically at this time, since he might have been involved in Sylvia's disappearance-I realize that his name is not secret since it appears in the engagement announcement, but it appears that he has a life and family and a profession. If somebody does a google search, these posts are going to pop up. If somebody wants to, they can certainly find his name, but let them dig for it.

I tend to agree with you

I don't think its a good idea to post the names of anyone not named in the media or by LE

I think we need to stick to BF or Fiance

 

[MrsTigglesworth]

I don't think it is a good idea to refer to the BF/F by name publically at this time, since he might have been involved in Sylvia's disappearance-I realize that his name is not secret since it appears in the engagement announcement, but it appears that he has a life and family and a profession. If somebody does a google search, these posts are going to pop up. If somebody wants to, they can certainly find his name, but let them dig for it.

Good advice. I asked once for genealogy research and was told not to sleuth anyone who was not either the victim or a publicly officially named poi/suspect.

I think we could probably link to anything found about Sylvia, but need to be careful linking to anything else.

If something is interesting is found, however, hypothetically speaking, I would love to see even a morsel. .... Not much out there!

 

[Dushi]

Good advice. I asked once for genealogy research and was told not to sleuth anyone who was not either the victim or a publicly officially named poi/suspect.I think we could probably link to anything found about Sylvia, but need to be careful linking to anything else.

If something is interesting is found, however, hypothetically speaking, I would love to see even a morsel. .... Not much out there!

Thats how I understand it

In one case we know of, the lines were crossed or nearly crossed

This one is quite unusual as I am used to more public information being readily available , as in MSM or LE reports

 

[gajonka]

We have so little to go on, and are all reading our own opinions into what we do have, but we have to be careful and tread with caution until more facts emerge.JMO

I posted an entry earlier that offered up the three different stories proposed by bf - as to - the moment in time of the the - mysterious runaway play.

 

[epiphany]

I posted an entry earlier that offered up the three different stories proposed by bf - as to - the moment in time of the the - mysterious runaway play.

Would you be able to bump your post up, or summarize again?

 

[bessie]

Questions about TOS should be directed to a moderator or admin in a PM.

I'm not familiar with all of the facts in this case yet. Give me a little while to get caught up, and I will let you guys know what is and isn't allowed. Until then, stop sleuthing the fiance.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
We have so little to go on, and are all reading our own opinions into what we do have, but we have to be careful and tread with caution until more facts emerge.JMO

I posted an entry earlier that offered up the three different stories proposed by bf - as to - the moment in time of the the - mysterious runaway play.

bbm:

G- I don't think I can go there. The fiancé is not a person of interest. Also, things like engagement ring as motive, payoff to police and mafia cover ups are wild speculation IMO. I respect that they are your theories, though.

Also, the mysterious run-away play was not uncommon in 1975. She could have met a disastrous fate running away from everyone. She could have killed herself. Without knowing anything about the character of the fiancé, I won't speculate on whether or not he was capable of a heinous murder and cover-up.

IMO -Your characterization of him cast him as an uneducated moron. Do you know him? What is your interest in pursuing this theory?

We are constrained as to where we can go with this on WS. I know if I had nothing to do with a tragedy like this and I was being implicated for murdering my fiancé 38 years ago, I would be lining up the lawyers....

Respectfully,
Rose ML

 

[Dushi]

Sylvia Alice Lwowski goes out for an evening with her Fiance around 5:30 pm, Sept 6, 1975
She never returns home

She was last seen at approximately 6 PM, by her Fiance as she was running away from the car after a disagreement

Her parents were informed around 10:30PM

Mother reported her missing, police report dated Sept 7,1975

Is there anything else?


This info is available on police report, NY Missing But not Forgotten, other places?

 

[epiphany]

That's IF she said that... This is all speculation but I kind of envisioned that she was hanging out at his house, then they decided to go to the movies... I think that partly because if he was just going to pick her up and go to a movie, why would they go all the way across town to a theater near his house, when I'm sure there were a couple theaters closer to her house...

The movie house they were going to is believed to be the Island Theatre on Richmond Avenue. It is only about 4 mi from her home, where he picked her up from:

http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/6272

 

[epiphany]

Sylvia Alice Lwowski goes out for an evening with her Fiance around 5:30 pm, Sept 6, 1975
She never returns home

She was last seen at approximately 6 PM, by her Fiance as she was running away from the car after a disagreement

Her parents were informed around 10:30PM

Mother reported her missing, police report dated Sept 7,1975

Is there anything else?


This info is available on police report, NY Missing But not Forgotten, other places?

Yes...

Discrepancies exist between the Police Report and the more recent info made available and entered on June 2010 NamUs re:

The date and time Sylvia was last seen

IF it is an error, it should be corrected.

 

[bessie]

I see there's little to no MSM. I'm searching news archives, but haven't found anything so far.

The fiance is off limits. We can speculate in very general terms, but no specific information about him will be allowed.


Thanks.

ETA: Any speculation MUST BE clearly stated as such. Posts containing theory presented as fact will be snipped or removed.

 

[gajonka]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
We have so little to go on, and are all reading our own opinions into what we do have, but we have to be careful and tread with caution until more facts emerge.JMO



bbm:

G- I don't think I can go there. The fiancé is not a person of interest. Also, things like engagement ring as motive, payoff to police and mafia cover ups are wild speculation IMO. I respect that they are your theories, though.

Also, the mysterious run-away play was not uncommon in 1975. She could have met a disastrous fate running away from everyone. She could have killed herself. Without knowing anything about the character of the fiancé, I won't speculate on whether or not he was capable of a heinous murder and cover-up.

IMO -Your characterization of him cast him as an uneducated moron. Do you know him? What is your interest in pursuing this theory?

We are constrained as to where we can go with this on WS. I know if I had nothing to do with a tragedy like this and I was being implicated for murdering my fiancé 38 years ago, I would be lining up the lawyers....

Respectfully,
Rose ML

I respect your thoughts. We will agree to disagree. The police report itself is - if nothing else - at least a yellow flag. The terms of her disappearance appear to be worthy of an honorable pursuit - for Sylvia's sake - and for the benefit of justice.


I can see the Jaycee Dugard story - that angle.

Collectively, there exists a sufficient presence of error here. Would you hire a candidate who fills out a missing persons report the likes of what we see in this case? The report is unacceptable. Any motion to dismiss the merits of looking into this case rests on a weak, parallel plane to the documented effort.

I agree - it is not right to point the finger. However, anyone close to Sylvia, at the time of her disappearance, cannot claim to be exempt from inquiry.

"Fair is fair."
--Billie Jean Davey

The Legend of Billie Jean (1985)

 

[Jmoose]

I agree - it is not right to point the finger. However, anyone close to Sylvia, at the time of her disappearance, cannot claim to be exempt from inquiry.

"Fair is fair."
--Billie Jean Davey

The Legend of Billie Jean (1985)

Fair enough, all close to Sylvia should have been under scrutiny-and it appears, by the little that we can see, that whoever had this case, didn't work it. Where does that leave us now, though?

 

[Dushi]

Fair enough, all close to Sylvia should have been under scrutiny-and it appears, by the little that we can see, that whoever had this case, didn't work it. Where does that leave us now, though?

This is the part that is so hard to understand
When someone is missing aren't all of the people close to her investigated to some degree?

Especially the person known to be in her company last?

Was this done and we don't know?

Were LE's minds made up after a short police report?

 

[Odyssey]

Sylvia Alice Lwowski goes out for an evening with her Fiance around 5:30 pm, Sept 6, 1975
She never returns home

She was last seen at approximately 6 PM, by her Fiance as she was running away from the car after a disagreement

Her parents were informed around 10:30PM

Mother reported her missing, police report dated Sept 7,1975

Is there anything else?


This info is available on police report, NY Missing But not Forgotten, other places?

Per Police Report:
Publicity Desired: No
Depressed

 

[Dushi]

Per Police Report:
Publicity Desired: No
Depressed

Are you thinking an investiagtion was done but not publicized?

ohhhhhhhh I see you are adding to what we know (I am slow at times)

 

[epiphany]

Per Police Report:
Publicity Desired: No
Depressed

And that would be a description by her own Mother describing her daughter's mental state (which she likely observed) prior to her disappearance.

Another red flag, IMO.

How depressed, as many have asked. Depressed enough to disappear on her own? Depressed enough to cause harm to herself?

 

[Odyssey]

And that would be a description by her own Mother describing her daughter's mental state (which she likely observed) prior to her disappearance.

Another red flag, IMO.

How depressed, as many have asked. Depressed enough to disappear on her own? Depressed enough to cause harm to herself?

I wondered if "depressed" could have been thrown in there because they knew she had reportedly just had an argument...

 

[Saracen]

I wondered if "depressed" could have been thrown in there because they knew she had reportedly just had an argument...

if that was the case they could have used adjectives like furious, enraged..