GUILTY NY - Vincent Viafore, 46, Newburgh, 19 April 2015 - #1

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Ok so I read through her FB and I just don't get what the fuss is about. She is posting pictures of the two of them together and well as some selfies that were actually for him if you read the comments on them. I also don't see what is wrong with the animal pictures as it is appears she was with her family at their animal sanctuary. I know during my hardest moments when my daughter was left in the NICU I laid in bed and played with my cat just trying to get my mind off the stress and worry. Animals are extremely healing so I guess I just don't see much wrong with her posting all those pictures ... I see it as she was with her sister and trying to get her mind off things.

Something just isn't sitting well with me when it comes to this. I am having a hard time seeing why she was arrested and being judged so harshly in the media for her lack of grieving normally. Who gets to say what is "normal" anyway?! Short of her telling the police she bashed his head in with her paddle I don't see why she was arrested so quickly and if that was the case then I don't understand why there is an issue with the grand jury indictment. Inconsistencies with a story days later is not actually uncommon when it comes to a traumatic event so I find it hard to believe that is all the based the arrest on. /shrug ... perhaps the police actually do have some secret evidence yet to be revealed that will seal the deal but as it stands right now I just do not understand how they are keeping her locked up.
 
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Just after 11:45 a.m., a man from the offices of Angelika Graswald's lawyer, Richard Portale, dropped off paperwork requesting that bail be set for her.

A bail hearing would, as a matter of law, require prosecutors to lay out, at least in part, information to show the strength of their case against her and other facts that might weigh toward an eventual conviction.

Graswald was arrested April 29, charged with second-degree murder after the April 19 disappearance of her fiance, Vincent Viafore, 46, of Poughkeepsie, as the couple kayaked on the Hudson River near Bannerman's Island.
Viafore's body has not been recovered, and police and prosecutors have remained mum on how they believe Graswald killed him. She has been held without bail since her April 30 arraignment, because local courts cannot set bail in class A felony cases.

"We just want to make sure the process is fair and straightforward," Portale said when asked for comment.

"Mr. Viafore remains unaccounted for and Ms. Graswald has not confessed to any criminal act," Portale wrote. "Therefore, as it is highly unlikely that the OCDA has been able to circumstantially prove that a death has occurred at this early stage of this investigation, there is little likelihood of a successful grand jury vote in favor of any homicide and any homicide count so voted would likely be infirm."
Because some kind of indictment action has been taken, Portale concludes, he asks that the County Court allow him to argue for bail for Graswald.


A bail proceeding will likely be held on Wednesday in Orange County Court.

http://www.recordonline.com/article/20150511/NEWS/150519867/101019


Tomorrow should be very interesting.
 
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Here are some legal links to chew on regarding the charge of second degree murder in NY. It will be very interesting, just from a legal standpoint, to see how this plays out. It's heartbreaking, no matter what the outcome.

BBM
Most murders in New York will be second degree, unless further evidence warrants reducing the charge to manslaughter. Second degree murder in New York requires that a person had the intent to kill the victim. If a person is charged with murder that was in reality an assisted suicide, the charge also typically becomes second degree murder.
http://www.ehow.com/info_8202171_differences-new-york-state-law.html

IMO This seems to be the most likely reason she was charged compared to the other possibilities listed in the link:
2. Under circumstances evincing a depraved indifference to human life, he recklessly engages in conduct which creates a grave risk of death to another person, and thereby causes the death of another person;
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/PEN/THREE/H/125/125.25

Prosecutors would have to prove her mental state:
The second type of second-degree murder listed above - "depraved indifference" murder - is a form of reckless homicide. To convict a defendant for second-degree depraved indifference murder, the prosecution must prove - in addition to the defendant's creation of a "grave risk of death" to another person - two distinct mens reas, or mental states: recklessness, and a "depraved indifference to human life." Convictions for depraved indifference murder have become increasingly rare, and often involve conduct creating danger to a group of people rather than a single individual.
http://statelaws.findlaw.com/new-york-law/new-york-second-degree-murder-laws.html
 
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Apparently kayaking at night is all the rage but this dude was in an inflatable kayak.:facepalm: Looks like he is under suspicion for burglary. Hope they find him alive on land and not washed up somewhere.


http://www.wcax.com/story/29041799/search-for-missing-kayaker-moves-to-land

http://www.wcax.com/story/29027127/coast-guard-finds-boat-of-missing-man

I clicked the first link. I think this is the wrong link. Completely different guy, different name, age.....
 
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New York – A woman who has been charged with murder in the death of her fiancé reportedly volunteered where police say the crime took place. Angelika Graswald, who was charged on April 30, also stands accused of falsely reporting the death of Vincent Viafore as being caused by a kayaking accident.

police believe Viafore is dead, but have yet to release information about a possible motive or alternative cause of death.

Graswald volunteered as a gardener on Bannerman Island where authorities believe the crime occurred. She was arrested after police found her account of her fiancé’s disappearance to be inconsistent.

Bannerman Castle Trust executive director Neil Caplan stated of Graswald’s meeting with investigators on the island prior to her arrest, “She was there with police, and they had asked her to walk around…It seemed they may have had some suspicions about her.”

http://www.newyorkinjurynews.com/20...volunteered-at-crime-scene_2015051213030.html

Yes, tomorrow should be interesting.
 
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New York – A woman who has been charged with murder in the death of her fiancé reportedly volunteered where police say the crime took place. Angelika Graswald, who was charged on April 30, also stands accused of falsely reporting the death of Vincent Viafore as being caused by a kayaking accident.

police believe Viafore is dead, but have yet to release information about a possible motive or alternative cause of death.

Graswald volunteered as a gardener on Bannerman Island where authorities believe the crime occurred. She was arrested after police found her account of her fiancé’s disappearance to be inconsistent.

Bannerman Castle Trust executive director Neil Caplan stated of Graswald’s meeting with investigators on the island prior to her arrest, “She was there with police, and they had asked her to walk around…It seemed they may have had some suspicions about her.”

http://www.newyorkinjurynews.com/20...volunteered-at-crime-scene_2015051213030.html

Yes, tomorrow should be interesting.

This makes a lot more sense than him drowning while kayaking. I'm confident LE has much more than what they have shared.
 
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I clicked the first link. I think this is the wrong link. Completely different guy, different name, age.....

I was confused at first too, but I think it was just intended to highlight the thought that other people kayak at night, not that it was Vincent.
 
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This makes a lot more sense than him drowning while kayaking. I'm confident LE has much more than what they have shared.
Me too. Remember that case the woman said she and her husband were shot while on "water bikes " by some Mexican cartel? Can't remember the names of that case atm but seems so similar. LE gotta have something strong I think. Let's see tomorrow. Can't wait!
 
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I was confused at first too, but I think it was just intended to highlight the thought that other people kayak at night, not that it was Vincent.

Ok thanks. Oops my bad.
 
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FWIW there's FB page called Justice for Vinny. I find it interesting, if not for the picture alone. :moo:
 
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Another thought, if they read her diary, does that mean they had a search warrant? If so, I wonder what else they found. Computers, phone records, texts etc.
 
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another thought, if they read her diary, does that mean they had a search warrant? If so, i wonder what else they found. Computers, phone records, texts etc.

dna...
 
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Me too. Remember that case the woman said she and her husband were shot while on "water bikes " by some Mexican cartel? Can't remember the names of that case atm but seems so similar. LE gotta have something strong I think. Let's see tomorrow. Can't wait!

You're thinking of Tiffany and David Hartley. I went looking at that case again after reading this one. However there was an arrest, so Tiffany is no longer a suspect, but a victim per WS TOS. There was a lot of disagreement on the thread though, so it's no wonder that some of us thought of it.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...man-in-Mexican-waters-3&p=8452928#post8452928

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Mexican-waters-3/page4&p=5731988#post5731988
 
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This makes a lot more sense than him drowning while kayaking. I'm confident LE has much more than what they have shared.

After reading that link again, it's states the crime occurred on the island. Maybe she faked the whole drowning thing. Maybe there's a bullet hole in the kayak or they found blood.
 
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You're thinking of Tiffany and David Hartley. I went looking at that case again after reading this one. However there was an arrest, so Tiffany is no longer a suspect, but a victim per WS TOS. There was a lot of disagreement on the thread though, so it's no wonder that some of us thought of it.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...man-in-Mexican-waters-3&p=8452928#post8452928

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Mexican-waters-3/page4&p=5731988#post5731988
Ty so much for that information had no idea she wasn't a suspect anymore, just watched that on some crime show, ty so much for the update!
 
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Here are some legal links to chew on regarding the charge of second degree murder in NY. It will be very interesting, just from a legal standpoint, to see how this plays out. It's heartbreaking, no matter what the outcome.

BBM

http://www.ehow.com/info_8202171_differences-new-york-state-law.html

IMO This seems to be the most likely reason she was charged compared to the other possibilities listed in the link:

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/PEN/THREE/H/125/125.25

Prosecutors would have to prove her mental state:

http://statelaws.findlaw.com/new-york-law/new-york-second-degree-murder-laws.html

Great post.

This makes a lot more sense than him drowning while kayaking. I'm confident LE has much more than what they have shared.

Of course. I don't know how any websleuther could believe they've revealed all they know.
 
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After reading that link again, it's states the crime occurred on the island. Maybe she faked the whole drowning thing. Maybe there's a bullet hole in the kayak or they found blood.

Yep. They have a lot more poop on her, for sure. The island seems to be at center of all of this. She is familiar with it. She gardens there and visits the animal sanctuary.
 
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Thanks Gitana. Just learning from the master. :) I appreciate all that you contribute to so many threads.
 
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"Mr. Viafore, a construction manager, had little wealth to pass along: He declared bankruptcy in 2010. Bankruptcy records listed his salary in 2009 as $167,000. But his liabilities outstripped his assets by more than $26,000, and his Jeep Grand Cherokee and Stingray powerboat were repossessed.

In a new conference after Ms. Graswald's arrest, investigators declined to say whether Mr. Viafore had a life insurance policy. But Mr. Portale said Mr. Viafore's sister was the primary beneficiary on his policy."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/14/n...-river-kayaker-accused-of-killing-fiance.html
 
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