GUILTY NY - Vincent Viafore, 46, Newburgh, 19 April 2015 - #1

[Inthedetails]

Stuck on what could be her motive?
Does not appear she would gain from insurance or other $$
No mention that he was some kind of control-freak she wanted to escape from.
Assisted suicide - far fetched.
Argument and he went into the water and she didn't help?

Just brainstorming:

* The photos of them together are a bit "showy" imo. I wouldn't like a guy all over me, though I know others will just see a man who is demonstrative in his affections. I see it as "look at me and what a cute chick I got." I think he really, really likes being photographed. Not saying that is bad, just perhaps it shows an overbearing personality. It's possible to be the "fun guy" and overbearing. Maybe she just had too much of him and snapped in temper...and once things got out of hand, she hid the fact rather than be truthful.

* It could be a hoax and he's still alive.

* It could be an accident and she's been falsely accused.

* Money. He made good money but lived beyond his means. Not sure where to go with that, but money is worth looking at.

JMO.

 

[JerseyGirl]

I read that Vincent had been to the island with her once, last year. Probably with the gardening group or a member of the board, because someone said he met him briefly once on the island.

So the island is not somewhere they regularly kayaked to. I find it odd that in the late afternoon on a Sunday in early Spring, they decide to launch kayaks to the island???

 

[Inthedetails]

Looks like the bail hearing will be in the afternoon:
"Prosecutors, who haven't released details of why or how they believe Viafore was killed, will have to make a case for holding her during a hearing Wednesday afternoon."

http://www.wcax.com/story/29052932/bail-bid-for-woman-accused-of-killing-fiance-on-kayak-trip

 

[BunnyHop]

I read that Vincent had been to the island with her once, last year. Probably with the gardening group or a member of the board, because someone said he met him briefly once on the island.

So the island is not somewhere they regularly kayaked to. I find it odd that in the late afternoon on a Sunday in early Spring, they decide to launch kayaks to the island???

I've been saying this since day one.
I've paddled there from Cold Spring in proper kayaks, in the summer.
Not somewhere I would ever go in April on a chilly late afternoon.
(I have paddled Adirondacks in late May---we wore wet suits)

They are from Poughkeepsie/Wappingers on the East side of the river.
Why would they travel across to Newburgh then south to launch from the west side if Bannerman's (on the east side) was their destination? This is illogical to me, as I know the area well.

They could have easily launched from Cold Spring area. Maybe she had a friend/friends with a boat from Cornwall Yacht Club? Perhaps she had an accomplice.

They keep saying she called 911 after she capsized, did her cell phone stay dry?
Was it retrievable? Fishy fishy fishy MOO.

 

[Inthedetails]

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They keep saying she called 911 after she capsized, did her cell phone stay dry?
Was it retrievable? Fishy fishy fishy MOO.

I thought that too, but read in one article that she called after she was rescued by boaters, so I then assumed that she used one of their phones.

But, yeah, the fact that EVERYTHING is murky in this case is fishy. I hope today's bail hearing clears up at least something, anything.

 

[TravelingBug]

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They could have easily launched from Cold Spring area. Maybe she had a friend/friends with a boat from Cornwall Yacht Club? Perhaps she had an accomplice.

They keep saying she called 911 after she capsized, did her cell phone stay dry?
Was it retrievable? Fishy fishy fishy MOO.

The very first posted in the thread says that she said HE fell out, she called 911 and tried to save him, THEN (I guess in the process of "helping") she fell in.

Graswald claimed she was kayaking with Vincent Viafore when his kayak capsized on the evening of April 19 off Cornwall-On-Hudson in Orange County. Graswald, 35, told police she called 911, then tried to help. She said she fell out of her own kayak and was later rescued by a boater.

Not saying I buy her story, but...that's apparently the first version relayed (pre-arrest articles) unless I'm reading it wrong?

I think in one of the oral interviews (she was sitting at a table I think?) I believe she also mentioned paddling over to him to try to help and him saying he wasn't going to make it or something?

So I do think her "account" has been that she fell in as she tried to "save" him.

 

[Inthedetails]

The very first posted in the thread says that she said HE fell out, she called 911 and tried to save him, THEN (I guess in the process of "helping") she fell in.



Not saying I buy her story, but...that's apparently the first version relayed (pre-arrest articles) unless I'm reading it wrong?

I think in one of the oral interviews (she was sitting at a table I think?) I believe she also mentioned paddling over to him to try to help and him saying he wasn't going to make it or something?

So I do think her "account" has been that she fell in as she tried to "save" him.

I'd like to know where her phone is now.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Maybe she had a friend/friends with a boat from Cornwall Yacht Club? Perhaps she had an accomplice.

They keep saying she called 911 after she capsized, did her cell phone stay dry?
Was it retrievable? Fishy fishy fishy MOO.

I asked that same question about the 911 call. It didn't make sense to me either (hello, LE!) when she said she called 911, but someone upthread said she most likely made the call from the rescue boat. I am assuming it wasn't her phone. I would like clarification (hello, LE!)

I also found it odd, I think again someone mentioned upthread, that she was found in the water closer to the Yacht Club. That's quite a distance from the island.

I also wonder if the kayaks were found in another area than where they found her?

I need details!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BunnyHop]

Given the bit about falsely reporting his death...

Could something have happened elsewhere and the 'falsely reporting his death' bit could mean she had staged the kayaking part by actually going kayaking after it happened but that it was a male friend who was seen by the eyewitnesses and not actually Vincent? :waitasec:

Like her staging all of that so if anyone saw them in the water that it'd just be assumed by eyewitnesses that it was Vincent once the story hit the news?

And then at some point he "disappeared" so it appeared only one person returned or was alive when rescuers came, when in actuality the "stand-in" snuck away somewhere or even hid on the island, perhaps even staying out there long after she was "saved" but before LE searched the island.

(Cont'd below)

On her FB page April 26 there's a photo showing a wake of a boat.
Comments: we are leaving the island and on my friend's boat. :thinking:

 

[BunnyHop]

Stuck on what could be her motive?
Does not appear she would gain from insurance or other $$
No mention that he was some kind of control-freak she wanted to escape from.
Assisted suicide - far fetched.
Argument and he went into the water and she didn't help?

Based on reports, she seemed to go quickly from one relationship to another and move in together after a short period of time. Motive may have been a break up, jealousy, something like that. :moo:

 

[BunnyHop]

&#8220;The bubbly, bouncy little ballerina girl had a dark side,&#8221; said Mike Colvin, a disc jockey in Poughkeepsie she lived with from November 2008 to June 2010. Still, he never saw Graswald act in a way that suggested violence.

Graswald could walk into a room full of strangers and know everyone&#8217;s name by the time she left, Colvin said. But he said he also had authority issues and could make unwise snap decisions when angry. She had run through two marriages and a string of jobs by her mid-30s. The impulsiveness apparently contributed to her checkered job history at restaurants and other businesses.

&#8220;They would have staff meetings, and she would just lose it, and eventually she&#8217;d have to be let go,&#8221; Colvin said. &#8220;This happened more than once. Not a big fan of authority.&#8221;

Prosecutors, who haven&#8217;t released details of why or how they believe Viafore was killed, will have to make a case for holding her during the hearing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...d29ecc-f991-11e4-a47c-e56f4db884ed_story.html

 

[JerseyGirl]

Sean Von Clauss, a professional musician from Boston who had known Viafore since boyhood, recalls how the couple would affectionately slow dance when he performed "Shama Lama Ding Dong." He said he saw Graswald the Friday before her arrest at a gathering to remember Viafore at a bar. She brought a poster board covered with pictures and asked Von Clauss to play "Shama Lama Ding Dong." Usually they would play "Hotel California" together, but she asked him to play solo that night. Then she forgot the words.

"We all kind of sang along, then she sort of finished it by herself," he said. "We all gave her a big round of applause anyway."

http://www.newsday.com/news/region-...ed-of-killing-fiance-on-kayak-trip-1.10430189

 

[Aynia]

Do we know what time the hearing is? I'm in a completely different timezone and don't want to miss it, tia

 

[silly1]

Do we know what time the hearing is? I'm in a completely different timezone and don't want to miss it, tia

According to a reporter's tweet it started 15 minutes ago, 2:12 est.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Prosecutors: Geaswald admitted tampering with Vincent Viafore's kayak so he'd capsize, watched him go under, 'felt a sense if happiness'
2:28pm - 13 May 15

https://mobile.twitter.com/HeatherY...apart&tw_i=598551484268224512&tw_p=tweetembed

 

[epiphany]

Heather Yakin @HeatherYakin845 · 9m 9 minutes ago

Judge sets Graswald bail at $3 M cash or $9 M bond... She was beneficiary if two life ins policies for $250k

https://twitter.com/HeatherYakin845/with_replies

 

[Momoffourboys]

Judge sets Graswald bail at $3 M cash or $9 M bond... She was beneficiary if two life ins policies for $250k

https://mobile.twitter.com/HeatherY...apart&tw_i=598551484268224512&tw_p=tweetembed

 

[DayLea]

Heather Yakin &#8207;@HeatherYakin845 2m2 minutes ago

Prosecutors: Geaswald admitted tampering with Vincent Viafore's kayak so he'd capsize, watched him go under, 'felt a sense if happiness'

Heather Yakin
@HeatherYakin845

Times Herald-Record Reporter
https://twitter.com/HeatherYakin845/status/598555546116091904

 

[Dushi]

heather yakin
@heatheryakin845

times herald-record reporter
https://twitter.com/heatheryakin845/status/598555546116091904

o.m.g.

 

[DayLea]

Graswald tells PEOPLE that her problem is that she talks too much, and that when police read her her Miranda rights, she made the mistake of continuing to talk to law enforcement officials.

http://www.people.com/article/kayaker-denies-murdering-fiance-disappeared-hudson-river