GUILTY NY - Vincent Viafore, 46, Newburgh, 19 April 2015 - #1

[eucalyptuz]

There's only one bad guy here
and it's not the cops.

Oh, I'm sorry if you thought my post implied she had been somehow wronged by the process and LE, that was not my intention at all! I am just perplexed by how bad a criminal AG is if she is the bad guy! I mean it's astounding! She may as well be dancing on a grave with a smoking gun while writing out a diary in blood! I'm constantly surprised by human nature and if I seem to be a fence sitter on many cases it's because I really can't believe that people do the horrible things that people do ( - and somehow prefer the alternative of no bad guy

 

[LietKynes]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-30...erges-stood-claim-250k-two-life-policies.html


Woman charged with murdering fiancé in Hudson River 'admits she tampered with his kayak and relished watching him drown'
Emphasis mine

Apologies if this was already posted...just jumping back into the thread here.

Sitting on my hands. What a witch with a "B".

If Vincent wasn't good to her-- and I haven't read evidence indicating abuse -- she could have WALKED AWAY !!!
Holy Crapola.

Nauseating.

:moo:

 

[epiphany]

9:29 p.m. EDT May 13, 2015

Graswald did not call for help until 7:40 p.m., Mohl said. While Graswald was on the phone with 911, "she said she had a visual (on Viafore) and stated that she could see him for duration" of the call, which lasted until she herself capsized, Mohl said.

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/.../graswald-confessed-kayak-tampering/27271207/

 

[Momoffourboys]

...she watched him die!

OMG!

 

[LietKynes]

Wondering if she held down his kayak so Vince couldn't turn himself upright ? Sorry to type that; it sounds so cruel, but this was evil and monstrous !
Whether she just sat and watched , or prevented him from swimming out of his kayak.
Hope she gets upgraded to first degree with premeditation (I think this would be accurate.) . Surely some degree of planning ahead went into this ?
:moo:

 

[Paintr]

Just catching up with this one, hadn't seen it before. hwow: Another one...Jodi Arias, Shayna Hubers, and now this woman. What is wrong with these people who just can't seem to end a relationship without resorting to murder? Amazing!

ETA I just hope the DT does NOT play 'trash the victim' in order to provide this woman a defense.

 

[hisjerseygirl]

Can't even believe today's posts. sickening and frightening. RIP.

 

[DayLea]

Can't even believe today's posts. sickening and frightening. RIP.

Thoroughly agreed. Assuming her confession is true, this woman is and will likely always be a danger to men.

 

[Inthedetails]

Just to give a feel on what the Hudson River environment is like and how difficult it would be to find a body under the surface of the water:

"The entire 154 miles of the lower Hudson River is tidal and can undergo a reversal in the direction of flow four times a day. ... The lower Hudson river is maintained at a depth of at least 32 feet for commercial traffic from the Port of Albany to New York City, but is as deep as 200 feet in places."

http://ny.water.usgs.gov/projects/hdsn/fctsht/su.html

 

[Inthedetails]

Whoa. I haven't read this elsewhere (did I miss it?)

"...witnesses said they saw her push him in."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...erges-stood-claim-250k-two-life-policies.html

I'm reading that something happened on the island and that something happened on the water. Even after today, we don't have all of the story. But reading that she might have pushed him in makes me wonder if the "tampering" wasn't something done to the kayak in advance, but some nefarious behavior on the water. Not sure what that would be - taking his paddle and rocking his kayak? I can't imagine a physical altercation in which he would be overcome by her.

Still baffled by the details....

JMO.

 

[Lilibet]

Whoa. I haven't read this elsewhere (did I miss it?)

"...witnesses said they saw her push him in."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...erges-stood-claim-250k-two-life-policies.html

I'm reading that something happened on the island and that something happened on the water. Even after today, we don't have all of the story. But reading that she might have pushed him in makes me wonder if the "tampering" wasn't something done to the kayak in advance, but some nefarious behavior on the water. Not sure what that would be - taking his paddle and rocking his kayak? I can't imagine a physical altercation in which he would be overcome by her.

Still baffled by the details....

JMO.

I don't know. Have we seen "witnesses saw her push him in" stated in local papers? Or is this a Daily Mail thing? I like their photos, but I'm never sure about their facts. JMO

 

[nightwatch]

Whoa. I haven't read this elsewhere (did I miss it?)

"...witnesses said they saw her push him in."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...erges-stood-claim-250k-two-life-policies.html

I'm reading that something happened on the island and that something happened on the water. Even after today, we don't have all of the story. But reading that she might have pushed him in makes me wonder if the "tampering" wasn't something done to the kayak in advance, but some nefarious behavior on the water. Not sure what that would be - taking his paddle and rocking his kayak? I can't imagine a physical altercation in which he would be overcome by her.

Still baffled by the details....

JMO.

If true she claimed she felt trapped, really! See how trapped she feels in a jail cell. The autopsy will be interesting. I wondered if she could have drugged him making it easy to manipulate his kayak. Jmo

ciao

 

[LietKynes]

I'm going with the "she may have drugged him" scenario. She doesn't look very big or muscular.
And Vince was familiar with kayaking , and seemed -- from the photos -- like a 'fit' person.
MOO

 

[Inthedetails]

If true she claimed she felt trapped, really! See how trapped she feels in a jail cell. The autopsy will be interesting. I wondered if she could have drugged him making it easy to manipulate his kayak. Jmo

ciao

It will be super interesting....considering they haven't found the body yet.

 

[gitana1]

Oh, I'm sorry if you thought my post implied she had been somehow wronged by the process and LE, that was not my intention at all! I am just perplexed by how bad a criminal AG is if she is the bad guy! I mean it's astounding! She may as well be dancing on a grave with a smoking gun while writing out a diary in blood! I'm constantly surprised by human nature and if I seem to be a fence sitter on many cases it's because I really can't believe that people do the horrible things that people do ( - and somehow prefer the alternative of no bad guy

I got ya'! Thanks friend.

 

[TravelingBug]

I don't know. Have we seen "witnesses saw her push him in" stated in local papers? Or is this a Daily Mail thing? I like their photos, but I'm never sure about their facts. JMO

I know there are at least witnesses saying they saw HER intentionally capsize being mentioned in other sources. I don't recall if they said they saw her capsize him.

Considering they saw her wait the length of time that she did prior to the 911 call, it seems like they'd almost certainly have seen her capsize him as well, I'd think.

Witnesses say they saw Graswald "intentionally" capsize, and when she was questioned about inconsistencies in her statements, "she said she capsized her kayak on purposely," because she wanted authorities to believe she tried to save Viafore, Mohl said. "She stated that she tampered with the victim's kayak...she knew it would contribute to his death."

She told authorities she "felt happiness and relief" as she watched him go into the water, Mohl said. Graswald said "it felt good knowing he was going to die," and that she felt trapped in the relationship with him.
Witnesses say they saw Graswald "intentionally" capsize, and when she was questioned about inconsistencies in her statements, "she said she capsized her kayak on purposely," because she wanted authorities to believe she tried to save Viafore, Mohl said. "She stated that she tampered with the victim's kayak...she knew it would contribute to his death."

She told authorities she "felt happiness and relief" as she watched him go into the water, Mohl said. Graswald said "it felt good knowing he was going to die," and that she felt trapped in the relationship with him.

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/s...ring/27248067/

 

[gitana1]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3080670/Woman-charged-drowning-fianc-Hudson-River-admits-tampered-kayak-relished-watching-drown-emerges-stood-claim-250k-two-life-policies.html


Woman charged with murdering fiancé in Hudson River 'admits she tampered with his kayak and relished watching him drown'
Emphasis mine

Apologies if this was already posted...just jumping back into the thread here.

Sitting on my hands. What a witch with a "B".

If Vincent wasn't good to her-- and I haven't read evidence indicating abuse -- she could have WALKED AWAY !!!
Holy Crapola.

Nauseating.

:moo:

Your post made me really think about the fact that this isn't just a case. This is a
man named Vincent who people loved and who loved life. A totally healthy, relatively young man gone for no good reason.

...she watched him die!

OMG!

Really, really cruel and chilling. And then to hear how sweetly she talks to her animals. Kind of like I talk to my fur babies. She sounds kind of sweet and gentle. What a disgrace.

Just to give a feel on what the Hudson River environment is like and how difficult it would be to find a body under the surface of the water:

"The entire 154 miles of the lower Hudson River is tidal and can undergo a reversal in the direction of flow four times a day. ... The lower Hudson river is maintained at a depth of at least 32 feet for commercial traffic from the Port of Albany to New York City, but is as deep as 200 feet in places."

http://ny.water.usgs.gov/projects/hdsn/fctsht/su.html

Oh boy.

If true she claimed she felt trapped, really! See how trapped she feels in a jail cell. The autopsy will be interesting. I wondered if she could have drugged him making it easy to manipulate his kayak. Jmo

ciao

Thats what I don't get about these people. Why give it all up for a cell in prison?

 

[TravelingBug]

According to Mohl's statements, Viafore was holding onto the kayak and a flotation device at around 7:15 p.m. but Graswald didn't call 911 until 7:40 p.m. and at that time told the operator she could see Viafore. Graswald told investigators that her kayak capsized during the call, Mohl said, but "others say she intentionally capsized her kayak."

Graswald was rescued two minutes after her 911 call, Mohl said, but she could not tell rescuers "where he capsized or the last place where she saw him floating."

http://www.people.com/article/angelika-graswald-bail-hearing-missing-kayaker-murder

The bolded made me think of two possibilities (I'll divide them out in separate posts) :waitsec:

Could the rescuers have been "plants" that she had in the water or area in order to "rescue" her?

There is NO WAY at that time of day, with the crappy weather, and the river being very cold, that there were many (or even just a couple!) random boaters out at that point.

And frankly, the fact that she actually did it also demonstrates that! If more than a couple were out there, let alone actually close enough to get to her very quickly, she'd almost certainly NOT have done it then/there because of not wanting to be seen.

Besides, she herself could have easily died (or gotten herself in serious, serious trouble) if SHE was in the water very long after "capsizing."

The time you'd have to assume it would take LE to mobilize their own aquatic resources to help, or to somehow rouse civilian resources until they could get there is quite considerable, especially at that time of year.

I mean, even in the middle of summer in San Diego it can take more than 2-3 after someone goes in the water and before ANYONE can get to them.

There is NO WAY she'd have wanted to be in that water any longer than she had to be or she herself would have been in trouble or even dead. And then why even do the whole thing?

She HAD to have known she herself would manage to be "rescued" wouldn't she? :thinking:

 

[zwiebel]

Whoah, just saw the news! She confessed and stood to benefit to the tune of $250,000!

I had a feeling early on that defense would take a language/cultural 'differences' line. I really hope prosecutors are able to demonstrate her understanding of English - and disprove the insulting idea that it's acceptable in Latvia to turn happy cartwheels after the death of a loved one.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/nat...-Murder-Missing-Fiance-Kayaker-303644941.html

 

[TravelingBug]

If they weren't "plants" then it seems like the rescuers would almost certainly have to be some (portion) of the eye witnesses and even possibly an additional 911 call (that would have actually been the first)

We KNOW some eyewitnesses saw enough for them to have determined something had happened and in order for the 20 minute wait to even call 911 even have been determined. Without someone (at least) having seen it either happen or very shortly after, I don't see how they could possibly have come to the 20-ish minute delay in calling.

They could have been one of the almost certainly not more than just a very, very, very few others out there, close enough to see it happen (again to start the 20 minute 'clock') but then somehow also far enough that it took them 20 minutes to get there.

The latter seems unlikely since if it took them that long to see something and start heading over (assuming that was the 'clock's' start) then it's unlikely they'd have actually seen enough to know someone was really in trouble (if that makes sense)

BUT, people on land who lived in the right area could quite possibly have seen it all or most of it AND gotten in the water and gone straight over there, thus getting to her so quickly after she "capsized."

Only they'd have probably not known until until they got there (or got close) that SHE was also in the water - since if they saw it from a distance and had to get a boat out there, it'd mean they'd have been heading over there to help HIM, since again it seems like it'd have been the start of the 20 minute clock.