Officer shows 'great restraint' NOT shooting charging homicide suspect

[EllieBee]

This case and the reaction to it in is thread is funny. And very telling.
Here we have an officer who had every right to use lethal force but chose not to.
He had a tough split second decision to make and it appears he made a good one because the bad guy is in jail and nobody died as a result of the chase and apprehension of the suspect.

Yet this officer is being "bashed"

Why not give him the benefit of the doubt in this scenario?

Is the real truth of the matter that there are many who would just rather see any suspected criminal or "****" get blown away?

ETA - ha! Didn't know we aren't allowed to use the T word any more!

I think you may have nailed it.

 

[Caffeine]

While I applaud the officer for his decision, this is something that happens daily in law enforcement.

Not every officer shoots first and asks questions later. The media would makes a point whenever a suspect is shot, but for every one shooting of a seemingly innocent armed/unarmed suspect there's a few million who don't get shot...no matter how uncooperative they are.

 

[CoolJ]

While I applaud the officer for his decision, this is something that happens daily in law enforcement.

Not every officer shoots first and asks questions later. The media would makes a point whenever a suspect is shot, but for every one shooting of a seemingly innocent armed/unarmed suspect there's a few million who don't get shot...no matter how uncooperative they are.

I believe this too. I think this is the way most of these situations go down. I think most LEO are good people, passionate about their jobs and don't want to see anybody get killed. JMO

 

[Trident]

As far as I'm concerned, this officer put not only himself, but others in danger. The perp was implicated in a double homicide, possibly armed, a car chase, coming at the officer and threatening him. In my opinion, the officer was lucky he wasn't killed, and if he had been, because he held back for whatever reason, the rest of us would have been put in jeopardy. After you kill two human beings, allegedly, and shot a cop, you have nothing to lose. Give me a policeman who will shoot under these justifiable circumstances. A killer does NOT need to be given every benefit of the doubt. Did he give it to his alleged victims?

I'm sick and tired of this PC crap. You kill 2 people, you may be armed, keep you hands in your pockets and threatened a cop, you forfeit your own life. No hurrahs to that policeman from me. As far as I'm concerned, he put other, innocent people in danger - for what - to save the life of a killer?

My opinion only

 

[mysteriew]

This case and the reaction to it in is thread is funny. And very telling.
Here we have an officer who had every right to use lethal force but chose not to.
He had a tough split second decision to make and it appears he made a good one because the bad guy is in jail and nobody died as a result of the chase and apprehension of the suspect.

Yet this officer is being "bashed"

Why not give him the benefit of the doubt in this scenario?

Is the real truth of the matter that there are many who would just rather see any suspected criminal or "****" get blown away?

ETA - ha! Didn't know we aren't allowed to use the T word any more!

I can't speak for others but I am very happy this worked out with no more lives lost. But I do find it scary and the reaction to it in the media is scary also. If this becomes the new and expected standard for officers, police officers aren't going to remain police officers. And I can't say I blame them. We shouldn't be putting anyone in the position of putting their lives on the line and expecting that they not fire back. Without a competent police force, that leaves the criminals in charge.

I am also pretty disgusted with the media. Their portrayal of this takedown and the shootings has been portraying all officers as bad and IMO is setting up unrealistic expectations for and about officers.

 

[Trident]

Thank you for that post. It also says, not you, that the roach infested, crime infested, fear infested ghettos in this country are coming to a neighborhood near you - very soon.

We see great changes in the weather, earthquakes, tidal waves, radiation and worse, if there is such a thing. This is the time of the Kali Yoga, great change/chaos. We need to be mindful of this and steel our hearts in the way we want this to go.

 

[mysteriew]

I have been trying to imagine how this would have been portrayed in the media if the officer had
shot him.

IMO they would have portrayed the suspect as a grieving man who had just lost his girlfriend and his friend. A man who was not in his right mind. And the officer showed no attempts at using a non lethal method to take him into custody. And all of it is true, only the slant has been changed. Just as it is in some of the other shootings.

 

[mysteriew]

Speaking of the girlfriend and the friend and the reports that the suspect has said the music told him to do it. He also
allegedly said he was drinking and doing drugs. This case reminds me strongly of the juggalo murders.

 

[Tawny]

I can't speak for others but I am very happy this worked out with no more lives lost. But I do find it scary and the reaction to it in the media is scary also. If this becomes the new and expected standard for officers, police officers aren't going to remain police officers. And I can't say I blame them. We shouldn't be putting anyone in the position of putting their lives on the line and expecting that they not fire back. Without a competent police force, that leaves the criminals in charge.

I am also pretty disgusted with the media. Their portrayal of this takedown and the shootings has been portraying all officers as bad and IMO is setting up unrealistic expectations for and about officers.

IMHO, this was already the expected standard. Try as hard as you can NOT to take a life.

Thank you for that post. It also says, not you, that the roach infested, crime infested, fear infested ghettos in this country are coming to a neighborhood near you - very soon.

We see great changes in the weather, earthquakes, tidal waves, radiation and worse, if there is such a thing. This is the time of the Kali Yoga, great change/chaos. We need to be mindful of this and steel our hearts in the way we want this to go.

I really don't believe that at all.

Building trust and community between LEOs and the people, regardless if they are in a swanky neighborhood or the "ghetto", will make everything better, not worse. This officer took a step forward by doing his best to spare a life. Was it dangerous? Yep. Would he have been justified if he opened fire? I actually think yes. But he didn't. So instead of bashing him, why not give credit where due. He put his life on the line for another human being. JMHO.

 

[CoolJ]

I can't speak for others but I am very happy this worked out with no more lives lost. But I do find it scary and the reaction to it in the media is scary also. If this becomes the new and expected standard for officers, police officers aren't going to remain police officers. And I can't say I blame them. We shouldn't be putting anyone in the position of putting their lives on the line and expecting that they not fire back. Without a competent police force, that leaves the criminals in charge.

I am also pretty disgusted with the media. Their portrayal of this takedown and the shootings has been portraying all officers as bad and IMO is setting up unrealistic expectations for and about officers.

I don't see this as becoming a new standard. Everybody has said this officer was well within his rights to use lethal force. Nobody has questioned that. He made a judgement call and it turned out to be a good decision. And by the way it wasn't MSM that said he showed great restraint. It was his chief who said that and also called it a mature decision.

 

[Elley Mae]

As far as I'm concerned, this officer put not only himself, but others in danger. The perp was implicated in a double homicide, possibly armed, a car chase, coming at the officer and threatening him. In my opinion, the officer was lucky he wasn't killed, and if he had been, because he held back for whatever reason, the rest of us would have been put in jeopardy. After you kill two human beings, allegedly, and shot a cop, you have nothing to lose. Give me a policeman who will shoot under these justifiable circumstances. A killer does NOT need to be given every benefit of the doubt. Did he give it to his alleged victims?

I'm sick and tired of this PC crap. You kill 2 people, you may be armed, keep you hands in your pockets and threatened a cop, you forfeit your own life. No hurrahs to that policeman from me. As far as I'm concerned, he put other, innocent people in danger - for what - to save the life of a killer?

My opinion only

IMHO He should NOT be a Patrolman, he should be pushing pencils/stroking keys.

bbm Hear,hear.

 

[EllieBee]

I believe this too. I think this is the way most of these situations go down. I think most LEO are good people, passionate about their jobs and don't want to see anybody get killed. JMO

I agree. It is sad that there are so many stories about police shootings and areas where there truly is corruption within the department, because it casts a bad light on the majority who are the good guys.

We need more stories like this one!!!

 

[Tawny]

IMHO He should NOT be a Patrolman, he should be pushing pencils/stroking keys.

bbm Hear,hear.

I think he should be training other officers. Attempt to save the life first, shoot only when you have to.

Yep, it's a HUUUUUUGE risk. That's the nature of the job. JMO.

 

[EllieBee]

Speaking of the girlfriend and the friend and the reports that the suspect has said the music told him to do it. He also
allegedly said he was drinking and doing drugs. This case reminds me strongly of the juggalo murders.

I had to look up juggalo murders. Yipes!

 

[popsicle]

It's by the grace of God he is alive today imo. He not only put his own life in danger but also those of the responding officer's. jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

It's by the grace of God he is alive today imo. He not only put his own life in danger but also those of the responding officer's. jmo

He sure did, and I am sure the officer's that work with him now know not to trust him to have their backs. As a woman I don't see him as someone that could/would protect me, but trip running away. jmo

 

[Tawny]

He sure did, and I am sure the officer's that work with him now know not to trust him to have their backs. As a woman I don't see him as someone that could/would protect me, but trip running away. jmo

No one can be sure of that.

Based on what the police chief said, I'd say they're perfectly fine working with him.

 

[SStarr33]

No one can be sure of that.

Based on what the police chief said, I'd say they're perfectly fine working with him.

Go read some LE forums. 99% are horrified by his decision and do not want him as a partner.

 

[Tawny]

Go read some LE forums. 99% are horrified by his decision and do not want him as a partner.

That's tragic.

BTW, he is a Marine. I'm "99%" sure actions would have been different had he been back up and his buddy's life had been the one threatened by a charging suspect.

 

[SStarr33]

That's tragic.

BTW, he is a Marine. I'm "99%" sure actions would have been different had he been back up and his buddy's life had been the one threatened by a charging suspect.

I know he is a Marine and we have no idea how he would behave