OH - 9 killed + Gunman, 16 injured, Mass Shooting, Oregon District, Dayton, 4 Aug 2019

[Inthedetails]

Baby strollers? There were children there? The only thing positive was that at 1am there wouldn't be children.

The strollers were from the mass shooting in Las Vegas, as indicated in the post that referred to the strollers. (There are so many mass shootings to keep track of.)

jmo

 

[Betty P]

So the school made the VICTIM talk to him? wow...he needed to be talking to a therapist and a police officer. Why do cops always brush off this kind of behavior? It's not funny but time in and time again. LE doesn't do anything. Wait and see what happens...look what happened.

Apparently, the school administration wasn't familiar in how to deal with this kind of problem. The killer was 24, right? Hopefully they've all become educated on how to deal with dangerous criminal behavior against women.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

The strollers were from the mass shooting in Las Vegas, as indicated in the post that referred to the strollers. (There are so many mass shootings to keep track of.)

jmo

This is horrible, you need a score card to keep track of the mass shootings. Thank you for telling me, I was quite devastated at the idea of more children in danger.

 

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Dayton Shooter’s Classmate: ‘We Predicted He Would Do This’

and yet NOTHING was done to prevent it.
Isn't threatening to KILL/RAPE your classmates a punishable offense?

 

[margarita25]

OMG is right. SO MANY SHOTS!! So loud. The people running through the yard. Very, very scary.

I can understand how witnesses get the timing wrong when describing the events. Even with the time stamp on a video, it seems like so much longer. (I recall being in a bad car accident and I experienced time slowing down - everything was in slow motion, even though the accident was fast and over within seconds.)

jmo

Additionally, I’m recalling watching live coverage of another mass shooting as it unfolded recently; the reporter on scene who was amazing reiterated that it is common for during the confusion initial reports to come out wrong, but specifically people often think that there are more than one shooter due to echos, ricochets (I think it was echos and ricochets, something like that anyway). The reporter was commenting on how they will not report anything unless it comes from LE.)

ETA:

and yet NOTHING was done to prevent it.
Isn't threatening to KILL/RAPE your classmates a punishable offense?

Yeah like I said last night, he should’ve been in a looney bin a long time ago moo. The fact that he was allowed to return to the school is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard and like I said, a liability if something were to have happened to any students there imo.... If I were the principal I would have banned him from the property if possible, moo. I sure as heck wouldn’t have allowed him back in my classroom.

 

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OMG

Surveillance video from Oregon home catches audio from shooting

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absolutely scary.

 

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Apparently, the school administration wasn't familiar in how to deal with this kind of problem. The killer was 24, right? Hopefully they've all become educated on how to deal with dangerous criminal behavior against women.

geeze, no clue on how to deal with it? Expel him for starters. Make police reports, court-ordered counseling or mandatory commitment.

 

[Inthedetails]

This is horrible, you need a score card to keep track of the mass shootings. Thank you for telling me, I was quite devastated at the idea of more children in danger.

I hear ya!

 

[Inthedetails]

geeze, no clue on how to deal with it? Expel him for starters. Make police reports, court-ordered counseling or mandatory commitment.

So, if he got expelled (which I agree would have been best), well...then what?

I have a neighbor with a disturbed son. The parents are well educated, well connected, strong people - and they couldn't find help for their son. The situation essentially broke the family and used up all their financial resources. We aren't equipped as a society to deal with this.

If he was expelled from school, where would he have gone?

jmo

 

[danzn16]

So, if he got expelled (which I agree would have been best), well...then what?

I have a neighbor with a disturbed son. The parents are well educated, well connected, strong people - and they couldn't find help for their son. The situation essentially broke the family and used up all their financial resources. We aren't equipped as a society to deal with this.

If he was expelled from school, where would he have gone?

jmo

Also, he was a minor at the time so it wouldn’t be on his record as an adult and wouldn’t have prohibited him from obtaining a weapon.

There is a case of actual school shooters that were minors and were sent to prison and then released at 21 who had no record at all. One went on to have weapon charges and jail time. The other did get in trouble for obtaining a concealed carry permit and weapons but no jail time. Andrew Golden and I do not remember second shooters name.

 

[coffeeandacig]

geeze, no clue on how to deal with it? Expel him for starters. Make police reports, court-ordered counseling or mandatory commitment.

As I stated in the El Paso thread, (and this is just my opinion) but we've really got to make more long term care solutions to protect our citizens. We (the US) went from 550,000 beds down to 35,000 beds for the criminally insane, at the same time our population doubled. The way we deal with long term mental illness in this country is awful.

 

[Betty P]

geeze, no clue on how to deal with it? Expel him for starters. Make police reports, court-ordered counseling or mandatory commitment.

Agree, but that region is "old fashioned" in their society and institutions.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

As I stated in the El Paso thread, (and this is just my opinion) but we've really got to make more long term care solutions to protect our citizens. We (the US) went from 550,000 beds down to 35,000 beds for the criminally insane, at the same time our population doubled. The way we deal with long term mental illness in this country is awful.

A good start would be to encourage people to become psychiatrists and psychologists and for mental health to be a part of physical healthcare so there is more insurance coverage.

 

[Betty P]

A good start would be to encourage people to become psychiatrists and psychologists and for mental health to be a part of physical healthcare so there is more insurance coverage.

And provide access to affordable health care for everyone. Ohio, like many other states has large numbers of people (especially young people) who can't afford health insurance.

 

[danzn16]

Another scary thing is if he had a personality disorder like antisocial personality, that is not curable and persists. Some people can get treatment that helps but in my experience I have not that when I was on rotations in psych in medical school, however I will saw I am not a psychiatrist.

Psychiatric News

 

[danzn16]

A good start would be to encourage people to become psychiatrists and psychologists and for mental health to be a part of physical healthcare so there is more insurance coverage.

However now I am seeing all over media and SM that mental illness is not the cause or the answer

 

[Inthedetails]

Also, he was a minor at the time so it wouldn’t be on his record as an adult and wouldn’t have prohibited him from obtaining a weapon.

There is a case of actual school shooters that were minors and were sent to prison and then released at 21 who had no record at all. One went on to have weapon charges and jail time. The other did get in trouble for obtaining a concealed carry permit and weapons but no jail time. Andrew Golden and I do not remember second shooters name.

What we want, I am assuming, is to restore the person to a functioning member of society, not perpetual punishment. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND that some people are beyond redemption and the only solution is to remove them permanently from the public by putting them in an institution (whether a psychiatric institution or jail).

But for young people who haven't yet committed a crime (or who have), I would think the goal would be to turn his/her life around before it gets worse. I don't think we have a clue how to do that. (And that is hell for the families, in many cases, I'm sure - they have lived with the escalating violence in their home and have nowhere to turn, but society blames the parents.)

What do we do with troubled kids so they don't turn into violent adults? How do we recognize and fix the problem when it still can be fixed?

jmo

 

[coffeeandacig]

And provide access to affordable health care for everyone. Ohio, like many other states has large numbers of people (especially young people) who can't afford health insurance.

Not sure what you were referring to the "region" being "old fashioned" in your previous post. Can you enlighten me?

Unfortunately, mental health services are really few and far between. And that is primarily the problem facing families. As @glamourkitty1922 posted above, we really need more psychiatrists, and psychologists.

 

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So, if he got expelled (which I agree would have been best), well...then what?

I have a neighbor with a disturbed son. The parents are well educated, well connected, strong people - and they couldn't find help for their son. The situation essentially broke the family and used up all their financial resources. We aren't equipped as a society to deal with this.

If he was expelled from school, where would he have gone?

jmo

Juvie hall? or a mental health institution?

 

[Inthedetails]

Juvie hall? or a mental health institution?

Forever?