OH - Annabelle Richardson, newborn, found in shallow grave, Carlisle, 7 May 2017 #1

[iluvmua]

Might I respectfully ask if you are young, or if you have given birth? You are very adamant in your belief (nothing wrong with that).

I thought it was said they could not provide a cause of death, so we cannot be certain it was "homicidal violence."

Maybe she felt she handled it well enough, and since the baby was already born she did not need 911. We can't really read her mind or know what she was experiencing, be it fear, confusion, ignorance, or maliciousness ... we can only base conclusions on what we are learning from the experts and other witnesses here.


JMO

The forensic person said the baby died of homicidal violence but the manner of death could not be determined.

 

[Spellbound]

I am bumping this up for @Spellbound

thanks Jewels.... so it was in opening statements (I assume by prosecution)l I need to go back and watch. I winder id there is video of her telling them that, or if it is an interpretive note someone made re what she told them.

Thanks for all your work here with adding the trial video links, etc!

 

[fred&edna]

For those who think BSR harmed, injured causing death to a living baby... Why do you think she chose to bury the body rather than throwing her in the trash with the bloody towel?

 

[1&2&3]

Was it mentioned in the autopsy if the baby had expanded lungs and had actually breathed air?

IIRC, this is a very important and deciding factor in whether a baby is born alive.

 

[zea mays]

We agree that she panicked. How could she not? The DR had told her she had 8-10 weeks left, not less than 2 weeks to process the fact she was pregnant AND to give birth.

She gave birth very quickly, especially for it being a first birth, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if she didn't have a clue what was going on at any point in the process.

Where was the neglect, then? Especially if her baby was stillborn, which imo the State hasn't proven that it was not?

Of course it was wrong to bury her dead baby in the back yard. I think she later readily told the DR what had happened in part because she too felt that it was wrong.

The neglect was not getting medical care for her daughter after she was born. It's not uncommon for babies not to pink up right away, need some stimulation, need their airway suctioned, etc. All things that could make a young girl THINK the baby was dead but in fact it was alive. I very strongly feel that this baby was likely born alive (absent any real evidence all any of us can do is speculate on this) - but that BSR didn't know what to do. She was not capable of making the determination of that baby's prognosis - only medical professionals would have been at that point.

Maybe she even thought the baby was dead when it wasn't, maybe she even buried her while she was still alive, none of that can be proven. But, she didn't get medical care for her daughter (neglect) and she didn't properly dispose of a corpse. There may be more evidence presented that sways me to think that BSR KNEW she was alive and deliberately ended her life or deliberately neglected her to death - I'm not there yet. But, I think there is irrefutable proof of neglect in BSR not obtaining medical care for her daughter after birth.

 

[cherrymeg]

The forensic person said the baby died of homicidal violence but the manner of death could not be determined.

If you can't confirm cause of death how can you determine it was violent or a murder. It could have been a stillbirth. You can prove that the baby wasn't buried properly.

 

[zea mays]

Was it mentioned in the autopsy if the baby had expanded lungs and had actually breathed air?

IIRC, this is a very important and deciding factor in whether a baby is born alive.

There were no lungs. The remains were almost completely skeletonized. The forensic anthropologist testified there was only biological material other than bone on covering a very small amount of the bones.

 

[Spellbound]

Was it mentioned in the autopsy if the baby had expanded lungs and had actually breathed air?

IIRC, this is a very important and deciding factor in whether a baby is born alive.

The "baby" was just decomposed scattered bones ... no lungs to test.

 

[Hope4More]

To intentionally do that, one would have to know the airway needed to be cleared. I doubt there are a lot of 18 year old women who know that without research. I'm going to be very interested in what they found on BSR's computer.

I'm well educated, read lots of birthing books while pregnant, & gave birth for the first (and only ) time at 42 and didn't know that. And FWIW. I also gave birth very quickly, and had a drug-free, natural childbirth outside the hospital, attended to by just a midwife. I never felt the need to scream. In retrospect only did I realize I must have blacked out for the few moments when my DS actually emerged. If I had been alone, in a bathroom, I would have had no way of knowing what happened in those seconds, and given the "trauma" of birthing, little way of knowing what happened in the next few moments either.

 

[zea mays]

If you can't confirm cause of death how can you determine it was violent or a murder. It could have been a stillbirth. You can prove that the baby wasn't buried properly.

Bolding mine.

Well, we can prove that. There are laws that govern human body burial/cremation. I did a brief google on those laws in Ohio and it looks like it's up to the county/city zoning if you can have a human body buried on your private property. At the very least, it looks like you have to register a map with where that body is buried and that clearly wasn't done here.

Where can bodies be buried in Ohio?
Most bodies are buried in established cemeteries, but burial on private land in Ohio may be possible. Before conducting a home burial or establishing a family cemetery, check with the county or town clerk for any local zoning laws you must follow. If you bury a body on private land, you should draw a map of the property showing the burial ground and file it with the property deed, so the location will be clear to others in the future.

 

[zea mays]

I'm well educated, read lots of birthing books while pregnant, & gave birth for the first (and only ) time at 42 and didn't know that. And FWIW. I also gave birth very quickly, and had a drug-free, natural childbirth outside the hospital, attended to by just a midwife. I never felt the need to scream. In retrospect only did I realize I must have blacked out for the few moments when my DS actually emerged. If I had been alone, in a bathroom, I would have had no way of knowing what happened in those seconds, and given the "trauma" of birthing, little way of knowing what happened in the next few moments either.

I'm an RN who went through a semester of maternity nursing care - so I did know that, but I would never expect an 18 year old to know that. I also gave birth without medication at 24 in a hospital and made VERY little noise. I highly doubt anyone outside the door would have guessed I was actively birthing a baby inside from just the noise they overheard.

 

[osu]

Any chance you can provide me a link to where she said the baby lived about 5 minutes? I only remember her saying it never cried or breathed (in the interrogation video)
Did I miss it being in there, also?

Thanks

I don’t have a link, just the screenshots from opening statements where the slide was shown by the prosecution.

I think she may have said in later police interrogation videos that she thought the baby “moved a little bit”. I’m not sure on that but I didn’t hear her say any of those things in the interrogation video that was played yesterday.

ETA: I don’t think we’ve heard all of the interrogation videos yet.

JMO

 

[Jewels53]

Lauren Pack@LPack JN
Back from lunch break in the Brooke Skylar Richardson trial. Now on the stand Dr. William"Kim" Brady, fetal medical specialist.
@journalnews

Prosecution is asking about growth restriction of babies during pregnancy
@journalnews

The defense says Richardson's baby had growth restriction problems that lead to the stillbirth
@journalnews

Brady said in the third trimester, there is a high rate of error using the fundal method to measure the baby in the womb
@journalnews

A doctor testified he use used the method to measure Ricahrdson's baby and the baby was estimated at 32 weeks
@journalnews

 

[rjay]

For those who think BSR harmed, injured causing death to a living baby... Why do you think she chose to bury the body rather than throwing her in the trash with the bloody towel?

Because she was trying to hide the evidence. Any other person emptying garbages in that household would likely question a bloody towel and a wonder why there was a dead baby in the bathroom trash can...

 

[MsJosie]

She worked with children at the YMCA so I would think she would know that.

Jmo

Okay. I missed that.

 

[osu]

Was it mentioned in the autopsy if the baby had expanded lungs and had actually breathed air?

IIRC, this is a very important and deciding factor in whether a baby is born alive.

It’s my understanding that by the time the baby’s remains were discovered, the remains were so badly decomposed that there were only bones and small traces of tissue left. There were no organs or tissue left to be examined by the coroner at autopsy.

JMO

 

[cherrymeg]

I don’t have a link, just the screenshots from opening statements where the slide was shown by the prosecution.

I think she may have said in later police interrogation videos that she thought the baby “moved a little bit”. I’m not sure on that but I didn’t hear her say any of those things in the interrogation video that was played yesterday.

ETA: I don’t think we’ve heard all of the interrogation videos yet.

JMO

If it's the same interrogation where they convinced her to confess to burning her baby I would take it with a grain of salt. The prosecution so far has proven to be manipulative and willing to lie to make their story work. So until they back that statement up I'm going to ignore it.

 

[fred&edna]

Because she was trying to hide the evidence. Any other person emptying garbages in that household would likely question a bloody towel and a wonder why there was a dead baby in the bathroom trash can...

She did throw away the bloody towel in the trash to hide it. I'm just asking why she didn't leave the baby in the towel.... Discard/hide both in trash.

 

[cherrymeg]

Lauren Pack@LPack JN
Back from lunch break in the Brooke Skylar Richardson trial. Now on the stand Dr. William"Kim" Brady, fetal medical specialist.
@journalnews

Prosecution is asking about growth restriction of babies during pregnancy
@journalnews

The defense says Richardson's baby had growth restriction problems that lead to the stillbirth
@journalnews

Brady said in the third trimester, there is a high rate of error using the fundal method to measure the baby in the womb
@journalnews

A doctor testified he use used the method to measure Ricahrdson's baby and the baby was estimated at 32 weeks
@journalnews

Is there an ultrasound picture? I want to slap this man.

 

[Jewels53]

Lauren Pack@LPack JN
Dr. Brady reviewed a number of records from Richardson and where was not sufficient evidence to support the baby had growth restriction
@journalnews

Blood work and records from Richardson on April 2017 indicated the baby was health, Dr. Brady says. A couple weeks later, Brady said she he would expect the baby to be alive.
@journalnews

Brady said if a baby is born after 20 weeks, and there movement, whether there is an umbilical cord or not, it is a live birth.
@journalnews