OH - Annabelle Richardson, newborn, found in shallow grave, Carlisle, 7 May 2017 #2

[Wishbone]

Det John Faine is married to a Warren county judge. Apparently he had an affair with someone from his church and was seeing her while on-duty using his county vehicle.

JMO

Although his actions are not related specifically to this case the defense may try to use it to diminish his credibility. No telling.

 

[155etta]

Agree. Both parents reactions in the interrogation room seemed so totally *off* to me.

Cold, anger, judgement, shaming, blame.
No reactions of shock, horror or grief though.

Very odd for just learning a few moments before that your daughter had been pregnant and buried her baby, your grandchild, in your backyard.

Could it be that the parents already knew everything previously and had time to process the shock?

Were they acting the best they could in the interrogation room pretending like they didn’t know?

JMO

The mother was oddly silent. Not asking any questions? I would be firing off questions left and right! Not her.

 

[lonetraveler]

Just catching up here so forgive me if this is widely known -- was the baby shown to be female by her doctors/through US at some earlier point? Otherwise, if her time with the newborn was so brief, and amidst such trauma, when was she concerned enough or able to determine its sex?

Using "her," let alone "Annabelle," just strikes me as odd under the circumstances described. This is a bit of a flyer, but it may be worth noting too that the name Annabelle has some connotations for teenagers post-2014, after that eponymous entry in the Conjurer franchise came out -- a doll, not quite human, with frightening powers. My kids, who are much younger, are actually uncomfortable just hearing that name after enduring all kinds of gory rehearsals of the movie in the school ground (as us oldsters might have been with "Jason" or "Michael Myers" or "Freddie Krueger")

Again, this is not meant to be a detailed theory -- just a few scattered thoughts.

There's actually a following movie from the Conjurer and the movie is titled Annabelle. It's a continuation of the doll in the Conjurer movie.

 

[BlackCloud]

The mother was oddly silent. Not asking any questions? I would be firing off questions left and right! Not her.

I can only see two possible reasons for her behaviour:
#1 she's a real Stoic, she can control herself in a way 99% of people can't
#2 she's one of those people that only think about themselves and nothing else...they think they're the only inhabitants of this world or at least the only important ones
I vote for #2

 

[BeckyF]

The father of the child was only her boyfriend for one month then she dropped him. Too short a time for Mom to think she needed contraceptives. But when a longer relationship developed, she did take her daughter to the family doctor for a prescription. She didn’t judge. She protected her. or so she thought.

Do we know that BSR was never taken to a Dr for her eating disorders? I don’t think we do.

From observing family members in my husbands family, let me point out one conundrum. Families are told that the disorder is the patients attempt to control their own life. Yet this manner of control is ruining their health. So attempts can be made in good faith to try to ameliorate the feeling of the controlling parent...BUT...how to you NOT try to monitor when they are subsisting on a starvation diet and you are watching in horror? You cannot say...you are dangerous thin. You DO take solace in anything that looks like weight gain.

I watched as good parents walked this tightrope. And they were not image obsessed social climbers. It’s a hellish existence that often has no easy answers...but is destructive to every member of the family.

Its easy to judge this family in order to make this young woman a victim, but we really don’t know. Eating disorders seem to have a confluence of possible “causes.” I’m betting Mom will go on the stand like Cindy Anthony and protect her at all costs.

BBM In the opening statement by the defense her attorney stated she had been to a nutritionist and a psychologist about her eating disorder. I watched that on Court TV today.

 

[beatrixpotter]

Do you have links to the clips you saw that indicate to you the Reid technique was used?

I haven't seen any of the second interview.

She was determined to be about 32 weeks pregnant. That was an estimate. That would be 8 months pregnant. That was in April. See gave birth on May 7. Sounds like a full term birth to me.

You need to be at least 37 weeks out of 40 weeks to be considered term. And there can still be issues with babies 3 weeks early. When was she seen in April? That's only 1 week into the month of May.

I am honestly shocked you think she looked "curvy" in her pregnancy photos. She's hands down one of the tiniest pregnant women I've ever seen. The only other one that small I've seen was also one of the thinnest woman I ever knew and suspected had an eating disorder. You could only start to guess she was pregnant based on belly size a few weeks before she gave birth.

Even very thin women I know have MUCH larger and more obvious bellies by that stage. I would find it very hard to believe she was not still drastically restricting eating even though she'd clearly put on weight.

A known eating disorder is going to be a much greater risk factor than something more generalized than African American or over 35 years of age as well.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM In the opening statement by the defense her attorney stated she had been to a nutritionist and a psychologist about her eating disorder. I watched that on Court TV today.

Do he say if that was before or after the baby died?

 

[BeckyF]

Do he say if that was before or after the baby died?

When she first had signs of an eating disorder around the age of 13. I will see if there is a clip of this.

 

[cherrymeg]

True. But most probably don't have mothers like hers either.

I don't know if you can answer this but what responsibility would a doctor have to a patient they thought they were at risk for self harm or seemed mentally unstable. If BSR was begging for BC to convince her mom she wasn't pregnant, at 32 or more weeks, and seemed like she could attempt an abortion on her own, does the doctor have a duty to get social services involved? I'm not passing the blame but if she acted the way she did in her police interview I would think she needs help immediately. Can doctors intervene in mental health or do they risk lawsuits?

 

[BeckyF]

When she first had signs of an eating disorder around the age of 13. I will see if there is a clip of this.

Hope I did this right
https://www.courttv.com/title/9-4-19-oh-v-richardson-defense-opening-statement/
around 2:45.

 

[osu]

The mother was oddly silent. Not asking any questions? I would be firing off questions left and right! Not her.

Exactly, the mom was oddly quiet other than making it well known that she was the victim and worried about what the neighbors thought

 

[Tillicum]

Exactly, the mom was oddly quiet other than making it well known that she was the victim and worried about what the neighbors thought

I got the impression that she was too angry to speak.

 

[BeckyF]

Do he say if that was before or after the baby died?

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[proctorelites]

Hope I did this right
https://www.courttv.com/title/9-4-19-oh-v-richardson-defense-opening-statement/
around 2:45.

Thank you for this
This just changed my opinion and idk how I missed it. Mad with myself for not hunting this and making it a priority. I'm blown away right now.

 

[MyBelle]

Hope I did this right
https://www.courttv.com/title/9-4-19-oh-v-richardson-defense-opening-statement/
around 2:45.

Thank you! That answered a lot of questions for me. I'm aghast that at a time she she was receiving treatment for an eating disorder from professionals her mother was making comments about her weight! I agree with her attorney that her mother was adding fuel to the fire. So cruel. smh

JMO

 

[BeckyF]

Thank you! That answered a lot of questions for me. I'm aghast that at a time she she was receiving treatment for an eating disorder from professionals her mother was making comments about her weight! I agree with her attorney that her mother was adding fuel to the fire. So cruel. smh

JMO

I agree. I'm not defending her actions or inactions but when she emailed or texted her mother saying her tummy was back the way it used to be, she would look better than ever, etc. she was clearly trying to please her mom. IMO.

 

[proctorelites]

Well Im aghast that the detectives used her dads call to them to return Annabelles remains for a proper burial, and that doctors were sifting and poking Annabelle and they need her to tell them the truth so they can give her the baby's remains back, & how he believes the baby was alive even for just a few minutes, he knows she wouldnt harm the baby, but wasnt she alive? Mentioning her gurgling 9 times...AND telling her they have proof that the baby was burned and it will look better if she explains how she was cremated, as opposed to say, she just through her into a fire.
Basically, help us help you get your baby's remains back. Tell us what we want to hear.
This does bother.

 

[MyBelle]

Well Im aghast that the detectives used her dads call to them to return Annabelles remains for a proper burial, and that doctors were sifting and poking Annabelle and they need her to tell them the truth so they can give her the baby's remains back, & how he believes the baby was alive even for just a few minutes, he knows she wouldnt harm the baby, but wasnt she alive? Mentioning her gurgling 9 times...AND telling her they have proof that the baby was burned and it will look better if she explains how she was cremated, as opposed to say, she just through her into a fire.
Basically, help us help you get your baby's remains back. Tell us what we want to hear.
This does bother.

ITA. I hope it bothers the jury as much as it does us. Holding the baby's remains hostage and embellishing it with the "sifting and poking" of her remains until the teen told cops what they wanted to hear is wayyyyyy over the line. Especially because this second interrogation took place AFTER the doctor informed them she was wrong about the burning. They were trying to get her to admit the baby was born alive so the murder charge would be justified.

JMO

 

[Jewels53]

Teen brains are not adult brains that's why teens can make the worst decisions. Brains are underdeveloped until around 25 years of age. And eating disorders are a mental illness, we hear Skyler suffered with anorexia and bulemia, as mentioned in the 2nd article.

"....In fact, recent research has found that adult and teen brains work differently. Adults think with the prefrontal cortex, the brain’s rational part. This is the part of the brain that responds to situations with good judgment and an awareness of long-term consequences. Teens process information with the amygdala. This is the emotional part..."
Understanding the Teen Brain - Health Encyclopedia - University of Rochester Medical Center

Brooke Skylar Richardson Stillborn Baby Murder Trial - Teen Charged With Killing Infant

I don't see anything that states Skylar has a mental illness. I thought maybe there would be a report from a Dr. and I didn't see anything.

Also I am not sure Cosmopolitan is an approved MSN source. There seems to be a lot of FB gossip in there which is no no on WS.

 

[Hoosgirl]

I think the common shots of Skylar in her prom dress from front on are deceptive in showing the extent of her baby bump.

I found one from the side that gives a much better idea.

(Mods, this is from a private page but published in this NY Post article)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...een-queen-to-baby-killer-without-a-trial/amp/