OH - Annabelle Richardson, newborn, found in shallow grave, Carlisle, 7 May 2017 #2

[AllyBeeUK]

Did he just say I needed to determine how Annabelle died? I thought he was trying to say she was stillborn

Perhaps he means how she died whilst in utero.

 

[Curiosum]

This doctor was insisting that Annabelle wouldn't gurgle. That in all his years, the babies don't gurgle after they're born. That's because they immediately suction and clear the airways of amniotic fluid. Something I don't think Skylar did.

I wouldn’t say he is incorrect. I have resuscitated a lot of neonates over the course of my own career and I haven’t really had gurgling babies. Grunting infants sure. Infants with an agonal gasp or no respiratory effort that required PPV sure. With certain anatomical issues we get audible stridor in the delivery room etc but I really can’t think of a clinical case where gurgling was the appropriate (even lay person) descriptive term.

 

[stmarysmead]

Yeah, I guess this makes sense to me too. I had not really thought about it that way.

You might say your “happy” as a reply...a dodge. But she was saying it...unsolicited! Just brimming with joy! WOW! So happy!

I believe she was just that happy. Why wouldn’t she be? What attachment could she have had to a moving belly...that made her look bad in clothes? She never dreamed of how she would dress her, what she would look like, how she would be a living genetic combination of all the people she ever loved.

 

[Jewels53]

So this Dr White is basing his diagnosis on a lot of false information. jmo imo moo

Again I will state no one really knows the facts about the birth except Skylar. moo

 

[BeckyF]

I’m honestly surprised more people don’t see it this way. The post-childbirth text messages are part of her attempt to hide what has happened. If she’s scared enough of her mom to labour alone in silence and bury her baby by herself in the back yard, she’s hardly going to send open and honest messages about how she feels about it all to her the next day.

Saying “my tummy is smaller and I’m feeling happy” feels like her trying to throw her mom of the scent of anything. “Everything is fine! Nothing to see here!”

Agree completely.

 

[arrogantcat]

You might say your “happy” as a reply...a dodge. But she was saying it...unsolicited! Just brimming with joy! WOW! So happy!

I believe she was just that happy. Why wouldn’t she be? What attachment could she have had to a moving belly...that made her look bad in clothes? She never dreamed of how she would dress her, what she would look like, how she would be a living genetic combination of all the people she ever loved.

In every message to her mom during the pregnancy, she lied and tried to pretend everything was fine when we *know* it wasn’t.
Isn’t it logical to assume she continued this after giving birth, when she had the most to hide? Why would she suddenly do a 180 and decide to trust her mother with her innermost true feelings?

She’s left the house, still bleeding, in pain, the baby freshly buried in the yard, probably worrying about potential blood stains somewhere in the bathroom if she missed anything cleaning up. She’s not out of it yet. Even if you believe it was a preplanned murder, it’s hard to believe she left the house that day and felt as blissful and care free as she pretends in the messages.

 

[Hope4More]

Posted by Gitana, I think, but I don’t see the original post:

" I found the risk factors for being a stillborn. To my knowledge Skylar had only one of them (not living with a partner):

After evaluating a number of factors, they found many maternal factors associated with stillbirth. They include:



· Being African-American

· Having diabetes

· Being age 40 or older

· Having AB blood type

· Having a history of illegal drug use with addiction

· Smoking cigarettes in the three months before getting pregnant

· Being overweight or obese

· Not living with a partner

· Having a previous stillbirth

· Carrying multiples

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IN REPLY:

What’s missing from that analysis is statistical context about the significance of those at risk factors, and what’s misleading is that the list is of general risk factors for still births as a whole, not specific risk factors for the actual causes of stillbirths.


From the National Society of Stillbirths:

1. A stillbirth occurs in about 1 in 160 pregnancies.

2. The cause can not be determined in about one-third of stillbirths. (So have no information about the potential significance of any or all general risk factors in approx. 33% of all still births.


3. The Most Common Known Causes of Stillbirths Include:

Placental Problems: Women with placental abruption or a pregnancy-related form of high blood pressure called preeclampsia or pregnancy-induced hypertension, have twice the risk of abruption or stillbirth as unaffected women. Sometimes insufficient oxygen and nutrients can also contribute to a baby’s death.

Birth Defects: Chromosomal disorders account for 15-20% of all stillborn babies. Sometimes a baby has structural malformations that are not caused by chromosomal abnormalities but can result from genetic, environmental or unknown causes.

Growth Restriction: Babies who are small or not growing at an appropriate rate are at risk of death from asphyxia (lack of oxygen) both before and during birth, and from unknown causes.

Infections: Bacterial infections between 24 and 27 weeks gestation can cause fetal deaths. These infections usually go unnoticed by the mother and may not be diagnosed until they cause serious complications.

Other infrequent causes of stillbirth include: umbilical cord accidents, trauma, maternal diabetes, high blood pressure and postdate pregnancy (a pregnancy that lasts longer than 42 weeks)


4. What are some factors that increase a mother’s risk of stillbirth?

Women 35 years old or older

Malnutrition

Inadequate prenatal care

Smoking

Alcohol and drug abuse

African-American ethnicity

 

[osu]

Witness White: Kraft trying to get White to clarify the math on fundal height. Judge Oda trying to get them to move along saying "We've already gone over this. Move on."


Witness White: Saying it's not possible she was 35 weeks as Kraft asked based on her math. Then she asks if he created the date to fit with his narrative and he said "I did not”

Witness White: "My second report does not include the new information," he said he changed his due date estimation based on the police report.

Molly Reed on Twitter

 

[gitana1]

As a side note, this is an insane glimpse of diet culture in action. Even with the pregnancy weight she was clearly a very slim girl with no health problems. Celebrating a young girl starving herself to better fit an aesthetic standard is insane to me.

Yeah she looked beautiful pregnant. She looked beautiful with a bit of weight.

 

[gitana1]

the whole social scene/community seems to be focused on weight loss. this is a bizarre thing for a teacher to announce to a class. and clap for someone who is already too thin? What the heck is going on there?

I don't believe for one moment that that happened. That was a crazy lie.

 

[arrogantcat]

I don't believe for one moment that that happened. That was a crazy lie.

Someone said from context that it sounded like a fitness/boot camp class. I think it’s plausible in that context (though I agree, not in school)

 

[MJPeony]

I apologize this post lands at random- I am SO behind in catching up on this thread.

I just wanted to say that these (and the other texts like them) are the most bizarre mother-daughter exchanges I’ve ever witnessed. Toxic, abnormal and baffling.


MOO

 

[Spellbound]

I don't believe for one moment that that happened. That was a crazy lie.

There seems to be so much from many people that does not make sense ... lies or not, this trial has too many outlandish and possible falsehoods (for me) to stay on track.

 

[gitana1]

I understand that others may come to a different conclusion. However, her changing story plus no proof the baby was born alive is very problematic to me. I've been in a jury room before for a much less significant case (a DUI) and the lengths that my fellow jurors went to FIND reasonable doubt astounded me. It's from that lens that I feel the state hasn't proven their burden. As gitana (I think) said before, there are just way too many coincidences and zebras that would have to be present for me to believe that baby wasn't alive when she was born, but I think the jury will be sympathetic and believe the defenses reasonable doubts.

I agree with you. It's any reasonable doubt.

I'm convinced but a feeling of doubt that she killed the child could be reasonable under the circumstances. She could have lucked out and the baby she never wanted and couldn't have could've coincidentally been born dead. And she was happy about that. Which wouldn't be a crime.

I don't believe that. But that doesn't make doubt unreasonable.

 

[Hope4More]

Kraft: You are agreeing you are attaching a lot of significance to SR's statements that keep changing in favor or this being a stillborn baby?

Dr. White: Correct. @Local12

Angenette Levy on Twitter

That's pretty funny, given that the core of the State's case is an argument that what Skylar said in round 1 is a lie but that everything she confessed to in round 2 is the truth.

And relating to one key piece of evidence: that Skylar is a manipulative habitual liar enmeshed in a dsyfunctional relationship with her mother, but that the texts she sent to her mother the day after her baby died should be taken at face value, and as a reliable indication of how she actually felt. LOL....

 

[gitana1]

That would also be cold. But we’ve buried dogs wrapped in a sheet, fgs. JMO.

Yup. Not one of my pets was just tossed into a dirt pit. And all are buried in my backyard. All with blankets or soft towels.

Maternal instinct wants your baby to be protected. For their bodies to be warm and covered. Beyond reason. Most moms of a dead child think of their child being cold or alone in their grave.

Even Caylee was wrapped in a blanket by her murdering mother. Because there had been some sort of bond before she decided to get rid of her.

 

[Mariposa]

Yup. Not one of my pets was just tossed into a dirt pit. And all are buried in my backyard. All with blankets or soft towels.

Maternal instinct wants your baby to be protected. For their bodies to be warm and covered. Beyond reason. Most moms of a dead child think of their child being cold or alone in their grave.

Even Caylee was wrapped in a blanket by her murdering mother. Because there had been some sort of bond before she decided to get rid of her.

Some people don't bond with their born children, let alone the fetus from a pregnancy they have been denying and hiding for months. If maternal (or paternal) instinct was such a reliable force a lot of the child abuse, neglect, endangerment in the world would not exist.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Karin Johnson WLWT
@karinjohnson

I learned during the break that Judge Oda allowed the defense to call Scott Richardson, Skylar's father, to the stand despite the separation of witnesses bc he has been designated as a victim's representative... the victim being Annabelle.
@wlwt
#skylarrichardson
1:32 PM · Sep 10, 2019·Twitter Web App

Same as the Anthony's in Caylee case Moo

 

[Hope4More]

Yup. Not one of my pets was just tossed into a dirt pit. And all are buried in my backyard. All with blankets or soft towels.

Maternal instinct wants your baby to be protected. For their bodies to be warm and covered. Beyond reason. Most moms of a dead child think of their child being cold or alone in their grave.

Even Caylee was wrapped in a blanket by her murdering mother. Because there had been some sort of bond before she decided to get rid of her.

I sure don't see the logic of that argument. Caylee was literally thrown away like trash, and the fact she had a blanket wrapped around her inside the trashbag she was thrown away in means CA had some kind of bond with her?

But the fact Skylar dug a grave and put flowers on it, but didn't wrap up her baby in a towel or sheet first, indicates she felt nothing at all about her dead baby?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Sorry for the late reply (RL) but I think Law & Crime have a free app also where you should be able to watch live. You could download their app and then be able to surf the net while the live feed is playing.

Thank you everyone for telling me about the Law & crime Network. I have been watching it today as I have been in and out and the best thing about it versus the other site that I was using, is it you can put it on pause, and not only do live. ( and without commercial interruptions!)