GUILTY OH - Elaina Steinfurth, 17 months, Toledo, 2 Jun 2013 - #1

[vasportsmom]

ROFL, well your post had me cracking up too, so I'm glad I could return the favor! :floorlaugh:

Ahh, nothing like a good laugh once in a while to make life good, or at least a little better.

My mom is staying with me this week before she moves far, far away and here was our convo:

Mom: Rhon, what is so funny?
Me: Someone just said they are truly sorry my brother is a donkey.
Mom: How do they know your brother is a donkey?
Me: I told them.
Mom: Ok (and walks off)

 

[SCHMAE]

Snipped by me.

Mom had promised him that they would not go back to JK's house because there had been rumors of abuse going on there (it's in the "raw" video of the father posted upthread).

Interesting as JK says that she kicked the mom out because mom was being too rough with the kids. Quite possibly mom was the one doing the abusing, but she was telling the father that it was JK's (or someone in JK's house) fault.

So either mom thought dad would want to take the girls just for the fact that she was back at JK's house (because whether there was abuse going on there or not, the father was under the assumption there was) or perhaps Elaina had marks on her (whether from mom or someone else) that he would see when mom gave Elaina over to him.

Hope that all made sense.

All moo of course.

I thought bf's mom said she saw Angela pulling the kids by the hair or arm and just being overall too rough? Did anyone else see that or did I imagine it? In an interview .

 

[vasportsmom]

I honestly don't see mom having someone so devoted to her, a friend so close to her that would be willing to hide Elaina (if mom had someone that was so wanting to help her in any way possible, including hiding a baby, I imagine mom wouldn't be going from place to place to sleep at night, she'd be sleeping at that person's house). I am afraid something happened to this little one before the dad ever even showed up to pick her up.

That said, she also doesn't seem to have a lot of resources, so if she did do something to Elaina, I wouldn't think it would take too long to find her.

Gosh, why is it so hard to write words like that? Like if you put it in print, it somehow is true. Hopefully, I'll be proven wrong.

I agree. Unless the baby never made it to that house then she is somewhere close by. I think if she had made it there and then left with someone else that day the bf's mom would have reported that pretty quickly. I want to believe that she is safely hidden away but the chance of that being the case seems pretty remote. None of Angela's online profiles (and she has a bunch) show any strong relationships with others. I have more meaningful convos with my FarmVille neighbors than she seems to have with her friends.

 

[SCHMAE]

]I honestly don't see mom having someone so devoted to her, a friend so close to her that would be willing to hide Elaina (if mom had someone that was so wanting to help her in any way possible, including hiding a baby, [/B]I imagine mom wouldn't be going from place to place to sleep at night, she'd be sleeping at that person's house). I am afraid something happened to this little one before the dad ever even showed up to pick her up.

That said, she also doesn't seem to have a lot of resources, so if she did do something to Elaina, I wouldn't think it would take too long to find her.

Gosh, why is it so hard to write words like that? Like if you put it in print, it somehow is true. Hopefully, I'll be proven wrong.

The perpetually jobless and especially with addiction problems ( if anyone has addiction problems is an absolute unknown and should not be taken as fact ) looks at a child or children as a source of steady income via welfare, food stamps. Likely their friends are all in similar boats and something like " i'll pay you back when i get my food stamps card ' is a common form of currency/ trade. So it does benefit folks like that to have other folks like that with custody of their kids . Moooooooooooo

 

[vasportsmom]

I thought bf's mom said she saw Angela pulling the kids by the hair or arm and just being overall too rough? Did anyone else see that or did I imagine it? In an interview .

That is what was reported. She said that she asked Angela to leave because of how she was treating the kids but she called the night before and asked to be allowed to stay one night because the kids were cold and wet (or something, will look for link).

 

[Redux]

I thought bf's mom said she saw Angela pulling the kids by the hair or arm and just being overall too rough? Did anyone else see that or did I imagine it? In an interview .

That's what my post says. From my post: Interesting as JK says that she kicked the mom out because mom was being too rough with the kids. Quite possibly mom was the one doing the abusing, but she was telling the father that it was JK's (or someone in JK's house) fault.

JK is bf's mom.

To put it another way in case my post wasn't clear ...
1. Father has heard there is abuse going on at JK's house.
2. Mom had promised father not to go to JK's house because of what he had
heard about the abuse.
3. JK says she tossed mom out because mom was being rough with the kids.

There's a contradiction here - JK says mom was rough with the kids, but someone (maybe mom) told dad that JK (or someone in JK's house) was the one roughing up the kids. So who was being abusive, someone in JK's house or the mom? See what I mean?

Personally, I think mom was being rough with the children, but then she blamed it on bf's mom, JK (or someone in her house).

Am I making it any clearer?

 

[SCHMAE]

That is what was reported. She said that she asked Angela to leave because of how she was treating the kids but she called the night before and asked to be allowed to stay one night because the kids were cold and wet (or something, will look for link).

And what is up with It's not a big deal if you abuse your kids as long as I don't see it, so go elsewhere? Did I understand that right? Instead of calling CPS and saying you're abusing the kids,, YOU get out, leave the kids here and I'll call their other parent or I'll call CPS . Isn't that acceptable ?

 

[swanniee11]

I did a search on www.familywatchdog/us/ and boy oh boy. This area is filled with criminals, rapists/kidnappers etc. FWIW

 

[pistolina]

http://www.13abc.com/story/22504344/family-holds-candle-light-vigil-for-missing-toddler

Did she really say - "I don't care where you put her" - What does that mean??? That is a really odd thing to say.

 

[Redux]

http://www.13abc.com/story/22504344/family-holds-candle-light-vigil-for-missing-toddler

Did she really say - "I don't care where you put her" - What does that mean??? That is a really odd thing to say.

I thought so too!

 

[swanniee11]

mom's Myspace acct. LOTS OF PICTURES.

http://www.myspace.com/moriesangela/photos

 

[vasportsmom]

And what is up with It's not a big deal if you abuse your kids as long as I don't see it, so go elsewhere? Did I understand that right? Instead of calling CPS and saying you're abusing the kids,, YOU get out, leave the kids here and I'll call their other parent or I'll call CPS . Isn't that acceptable ?

I thought the same thing. If BF's mom thought she was making herself look good with that comment she was way off. I would have called CPS/LE/dad and allowed Angela to stay there until it was dealt with so if things got worse I could step in and protect those babies from her. "Go abuse your babies somewhere else" is unacceptable.

 

[vasportsmom]

mom's Myspace acct. LOTS OF PICTURES.

http://www.myspace.com/moriesangela/photos

She has a 2nd one. She also has a Pintrest (with tons of quotes), FB and MyLife profile.

 

[The Cheese]

That's what my post says. From my post: Interesting as JK says that she kicked the mom out because mom was being too rough with the kids. Quite possibly mom was the one doing the abusing, but she was telling the father that it was JK's (or someone in JK's house) fault.

JK is bf's mom.

To put it another way in case my post wasn't clear ...
1. Father has heard there is abuse going on at JK's house.
2. Mom had promised father not to go to JK's house because of what he had
heard about the abuse.
3. JK says she tossed mom out because mom was being rough with the kids.

There's a contradiction here - JK says mom was rough with the kids, but someone (maybe mom) told dad that JK (or someone in JK's house) was the one roughing up the kids. So who was being abusive, someone in JK's house or the mom? See what I mean?

Personally, I think mom was being rough with the children, but then she blamed it on bf's mom, JK (or someone in her house).

Am I making it any clearer?

BBM. Where is it coming from that someone told dad that JK or someone other than Angela was the one abusing the kids? Thanks.

 

[CatFancier]

http://www.13abc.com/story/22504344/family-holds-candle-light-vigil-for-missing-toddler

Did she really say - "I don't care where you put her" - What does that mean??? That is a really odd thing to say.

Was this in the article or comments? I don't see it.

 

[SCHMAE]

Cheese I went back to the front to click every article and see who actually said what, but like in a lot of cases, the original articles are now MISSING and replaced by the newer updates. The very first article in this thread now has today's date on it and says DAY FOUR... so you know that initial information is no longer there. I don't know who said what about the abuse. I only know what I saw the bf's mom say in an interview.
Note to everyone, if you see really important info in any upcoming articles, please screen shot to preserve them because in the morning the articles will be updated and might change key parts ! tks

 

[SCHMAE]

Was this in the article or comments? I don't see it.

It's in an interview that was posted overnight or first thing this morning. Cheese posted it and Cheese' s comments are something like,, mom's crying, then looks mad. Hope that helps you find it !

 

[Redux]

BBM. Where is it coming from that someone told dad that JK or someone other than Angela was the one abusing the kids? Thanks.

Elaina's father himself said it in the "raw" video upthread. He said that there were rumors that something was going on at that house - he didn't say who told him that though.

I'll post a link to the video in a second.

 

[DairyGirl]

That is what was reported. She said that she asked Angela to leave because of how she was treating the kids but she called the night before and asked to be allowed to stay one night because the kids were cold and wet (or something, will look for link).

I don't understand asking her to leave because she was too rough with her kids and not intervening on the kids behalf, either by calling CPS or taking the kids in and tossing the mother out. Of course, I realize this is the bf's mom and not grandma but couldn't she have called someone to help those kids? The last thing I would want to do if I saw someone being rough with their kids is throw those kids out with no where to go and a rough mother.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

just look at that baby's eyes. Something was going on for sure. I had hope yesterday. Today, not so much. My heart aches for dad and grandfather.