OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #50

[Antimony]

You can not suck all the water out of a well unless it is a well that does not produce water. They use an under water camera. Usable well water is crystal clear so seeing anything at the bottom would be no problem.

Wells like the WAG's produce a finite quantity of water per minute. Exceed that number and you will soon drop the water level. This is likely a well of no more than 6 inches diameter. This type of well does not have a cavity at the bottom. The well pipe sits on the bottom and so does the pump. The evidence was likely resting on the top of the pump. In fact, there has to be a way of removing the pump from the well, so evidence extraction may have consisted of pulling the pump up the casing.

My opinion.

 

[Loomis124]

Documents: ATF files report on item pulled from well, Wagner family arrested a week later

All that matters is they found it. JMO

 

[StrangeOne]

Your theory sounds good but I think they shot Dana 5 times out of hate, the killers though Dana was keeping Hanna from Jake your right on this one! Hannah Gilley was shot 5 times in the face to send a message to Charley Gilley to show him he could be next, Chris Sr was shot 9 times for one reason he fought back and also he stood up to the Wagner Royalty Families and little Chris was shot 4 times because he was hiding from the killers and also little Chris would raise his voice to someone if he thought someone was getting done wrong , Jake didn’t like little Chris, and the others that were shot no more than 3times was Frankie at one time him and George the 4th where buddy’s at one time, JMO George 4th killed Frankie, and Jake shot Hannah 2 times he loved her and couldn’t sand doing that, Gary was shot 3 times just because he was in the wrong place, Kenny in my opinion was shot 1 time because it was getting day light and the killers ran out of time on their way home, they had to kill Kenny to make it look like the cartel did it, again this is JMO I do not have any facts heck just the killers know! Other than LE evidence!

The fact that they started watching them electronically years ahead of time is horrifying. This was before CG even came into the picture. JW took a child and tried to shape her in their image. I believe the surveillance started when there were signs of HR not falling in line. I think the quote from one of HRs Facebook comment was "You're a chronic chain smoker and I was just a pack of cigarettes to you". I'll try my best to see if I can find that post again screenshot it and snag the link. I think there was a lot of abuse there at least emotional and mental. This is just my thoughts on the matter but I believe you're right about DR and the way she was shot. I wonder if it was first or last shot?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

The fact that they started watching them electronically years ahead of time is horrifying. This was before CG even came into the picture. JW took a child and tried to shape her in their image. I believe the surveillance started when there were signs of HR not falling in line. I think the quote from one of HRs Facebook comment was "You're a chronic chain smoker and I was just a pack of cigarettes to you". I'll try my best to see if I can find that post again screenshot it and snag the link. I think there was a lot of abuse there at least emotional and mental. This is just my thoughts on the matter but I believe you're right about DR and the way she was shot. I wonder if it was first or last shot?

It was on her Twitter account.

 

[StrangeOne]

It was on her Twitter account.

Thank you. I've read over so many accounts since it happened they all start to blur into one.

 

[evelezrn]

Wells like the WAG's produce a finite quantity of water per minute. Exceed that number and you will soon drop the water level. This is likely a well of no more than 6 inches diameter. This type of well does not have a cavity at the bottom. The well pipe sits on the bottom and so does the pump. The evidence was likely resting on the top of the pump. In fact, there has to be a way of removing the pump from the well, so evidence extraction may have consisted of pulling the pump up the casing.

My opinion.

BBM

Question: Are there details in one of the documents on what type of well the W's had?

 

[StrangeOne]

Sorry for the double post

 

[Dudly]

Wells like the WAG's produce a finite quantity of water per minute. Exceed that number and you will soon drop the water level. This is likely a well of no more than 6 inches diameter. This type of well does not have a cavity at the bottom. The well pipe sits on the bottom and so does the pump. The evidence was likely resting on the top of the pump. In fact, there has to be a way of removing the pump from the well, so evidence extraction may have consisted of pulling the pump up the casing.

My opinion.

Well, members of my family has been drilling water wells since the 1940s so I do know a little about this. The casing does not sit on the bottom of a well. A limestone well can be more than 100 feet deeper than the casing. Even a gravel well can be deeper than the casing but it has a screen to keep the gravel from entering the casing. The pump does not sit on the bottom of a well.
If an item to be retrieved was on top of a pump, pulling the pump could either destroy the item or get the item jammed between the pump and casing and get it stuck so the pump is stuck in the well.
Since the above is personal knowledge with no link, call it my opinion only...

 

[Dudly]

BBM

Question: Are there details in one of the documents on what type of well the W's had?

If the well was put in after the area started using house numbers, the address can be used to look up the record on the Ohio Department of Natural Resources web site. The accuracy of the info in the well log, if one can be found, depends on who put in the well.
Water Well Log

 

[Antimony]

Water well log is interesting.

Does not show a well on former WAG property tho.

Adams County, Ohio: Online Auditor - Cookies

Looks like David DeWeese bought the property.
Nearest well:
well depth 32', Gravel and clay, water level 20', 5.63 casing-26'.
well no. 169196 drilled in 1957, McCarty drilling for Roy Peterson.

 

[Antimony]

Do executions lower homicide rates?[/QUOTE]

Without a doubt.
Very low recidivism., None actually.

 

[Dudly]

Water well log is interesting.

Does not show a well on former WAG property tho.

Adams County, Ohio: Online Auditor - Cookies

Looks like David DeWeese bought the property.
Nearest well:
well depth 32', Gravel and clay, water level 20', 5.63 casing-26'.
well no. 169196 drilled in 1957, McCarty drilling for Roy Peterson.

There can be several reasons for that. If they were still using Rural Route 1, 2 or whatever, there won't be a log to find unless you know the name of the property owner when it was put in and the log shows the location sufficiently. Mine just says "about 1/2 mile east from "X" road. It doesn't even say which side of the road it is. I had to use the name of the property owner when it was installed to find my log.
Knowing the property owner name or the company name of the well driller when the well was put in will help in a search. Then there is always a possibility that no well log was sent in to the ODNR.
There are places with a very shallow water table where owners used a drive casing and a sledge hammer to drive the casing deep enough to get water.
Drive your own freshwater well - Backwoods Home Magazine

 

[Nanasteele]

I believe that number #1 would happen. Remember there are four trials, so dollar wise we are talking millions. IMO there will be deals cut. JMO. I read that 94% of all felonies are pled down. I seriously doubt Ms. Canepa is hell bent on the death penalty in any case she tries. Then you have Rob Junk and his input so who knows what the future holds.[/QUOT

I believe that number #1 would happen. Remember there are four trials, so dollar wise we are talking millions. IMO there will be deals cut. JMO. I read that 94% of all felonies are pled down. I seriously doubt Ms. Canepa is hell bent on the death penalty in any case she tries. Then you have Rob Junk and his input so who knows what the future holds.

I don't think Canepa will take a plea. Can you imagine telling the Rhoden's, Manley's and Gilley's you are taking a plea and not the death penalty? I believe she has made a bond with the family's from where I have seen her hugging Mrs. Rhoden and Mr. Manley. I feel she has promised them justice! Plus she would be letting everyone in Piketon down and that would be just as bad. I sure hope she gives FW one of her " looks" back when she gets convictions! FW drove me nuts with her stare down she gave Canepa thinking that Canepa cares or is scared. FW has major issues!

 

[Puzzles8]

Just FYI, government wants to start regulating sales of body armor.

Schumer to propose legislation restricting sale of military grade body armor

 

[Cool Cats]

I was going over the info Betty posted at the beginning of this thread. The places the victims were shot and how many times mainly. It's just my opinion mind you but it feels like two different people we're doing the shooting. You have well-placed shots compared to overkill and what I call statement shots. Like the one under the chin of DR that was a message and the overkill of CRS and HG being shot in the eye and yet FR only twice in the head right next to her. Any theories? I'd like to see what the rest of you think. Why use only a few bullets on some and more on others?

Yes there is more than one shooter. 4 according to the indictments. Gary was shot with larger caliber bullets so that is more evidence there was more than one shooter.

This has been discussed many times but you bring up a good point that might explain why there were a differing number of shots.

The ones who were shot the most --- CR JR (4), DR (5), HG (5) and CR SR (9) --- could have all been shot by the same gunman. Gunman "A" shoots Dana while gunman "B" or "C" or "D" shoots HR only twice. Gunman "A" finds CR JR and shoots him.

"A" shoots HG while "B" or "C" or "D" shoots FR only 3 times.

"B" or "C" or "D" shoots KR only 1 time.

The number of shots could have been revenge/level of hate, or simply different shooters where you have some shooters more sure of themselves, especially with KR, and then you have the shooter who is not so sure of what he's doing and he shoots way too many times.

I could tell---from the day we learned about the number of shots---that these murders were not "professional" in any way. "Professional" drug hit men are not that sloppy. One or 2 shots only. Especially with CR SR, his was a very unorganized crime scene reeking of local amateurs taking revenge. I was not surprised when they were arrested. I am surprised that they chose to do this, if indeed they did....2 Cents.....

 

[Betty P]

Just FYI, government wants to start regulating sales of body armor.

Schumer to propose legislation restricting sale of military grade body armor

Good idea. That kind of thing was illegal for decades until several years ago. No reason for civilians to have it and LE deserves to be protected from people who do. It's just common sense.

 

[Rutledge203]

Welcome Rutledge203 to the discussion.

Thank you

 

[Betty P]

Yes there is more than one shooter. 4 according to the indictments. Gary was shot with larger caliber bullets so that is more evidence there was more than one shooter.

This has been discussed many times but you bring up a good point that might explain why there were a differing number of shots.

The ones who were shot the most --- CR JR (4), DR (5), HG (5) and CR SR (9) --- could have all been shot by the same gunman. Gunman "A" shoots Dana while gunman "B" or "C" or "D" shoots HR only twice. Gunman "A" finds CR JR and shoots him.

"A" shoots HG while "B" or "C" or "D" shoots FR only 3 times.

"B" or "C" or "D" shoots KR only 1 time.

The number of shots could have been revenge/level of hate, or simply different shooters where you have some shooters more sure of themselves, especially with KR, and then you have the shooter who is not so sure of what he's doing and he shoots way too many times.

I could tell---from the day we learned about the number of shots---that these murders were not "professional" in any way. "Professional" drug hit men are not that sloppy. One or 2 shots only. Especially with CR SR, his was a very unorganized crime scene reeking of local amateurs taking revenge. I was not surprised when they were arrested. I am surprised that they chose to do this, if indeed they did....2 Cents.....

Still a difficult job as it was done in close quarters, in total darkness. CR1 and GR may have been done with lights on, but the others were believed to be shot in their sleep. For example, if the killers turned on the lights in Frankie's bedroom before killing him and HG, he would have been out of the bed when shot. JMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

Still a difficult job as it was done in close quarters, in total darkness. CR1 and GR may have been done with lights on, but the others were believed to be shot in their sleep. For example, if the killers turned on the lights in Frankie's bedroom before killing him and HG, he would have been out of the bed when shot. JMO.

Dark yes!
GW4 likes tactical websites according to his Facebook so I am guessing they used tactical gear such as BPVs and lasers and lights attached to their guns to overcome the darkness, more practical then carrying a flashlight you might drop.
...2 Cents....

Results for lights on guns - OpticsPlanet

Laser Sights on Concealed Carry Guns | Selecting a Handgun Laser | PDN

 

[Betty P]

Do executions lower homicide rates?

Without a doubt.
Very low recidivism., None actually.[/QUOTE]

Actually, states with no DP have lower murder rates