OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #50

[Rutledge203]

I LIKE FACTS!

ME TOO

 

[Rutledge203]

So the saying is everyone is innocent until proving guilty & Rita Newcomb was proven guilty today a man named Judge Randy Deering rubbed in our face on national tv, I am just one person but I will stand for justice, JMO

Like I said before, I certainly hope an additional trial prosecutor is added. There is too much for AC and Junk isn't as articulate as I would like to see. JMHO. Would like a journalist to find out how the prosecution plans to handle the trials of the W4s. There should be at least 3 trial experienced prosecutors. My 2 cents

 

[Sleuthinsleuther]

You could be right. I do wonder if the judge is offering her enough "rope" to hang herself and the others too!

If you give them enough, theyll hang them selves

 

[Betty P]

My guess is that he won't run a tighter ship. The good news is that every phone call that at least some of the W4 makes is being recorded.

It has to help the prosecution to hear the theories that AW lawyers gave her and the keywords that she gave her mom.

My concern is what evidence that Judge will allow in and why all defendants aren't asking for a change of venue.

Agree, I don't think he will run a tighter ship in the future.

I also don't think it will matter much what the defendants show to the jurors because the their goal is to get a mistrial. Once that happens, they walk free. Pike County doesn't have the money to start this process all over again and the state is too cheap to front the cost. Welcome to Ohio.

AW and RN are doing this to compromise her case and those of the others. Likely their attorneys have hatched this scheme and they're playing along.

 

[Rutledge203]

Part 0ne

Part Two

Well done

 

[Rutledge203]

Agree, I don't think he will run a tighter ship in the future.

I also don't think it will matter much what the defendants show to the jurors because the their goal is to get a mistrial. Once that happens, they walk free. Pike County doesn't have the money to start this process all over again and the state is too cheap to front the cost. Welcome to Ohio.

AW and RN are doing this to compromise her case and those of the others. Likely their attorneys have hatched this scheme and they're playing along.

Asking because I'm not aware.
How does the defendant's bad behavior contribute to a mistrial. I just don't know. Thank you for your input.

 

[Rutledge203]

Yes, but he said the same thing the last time he warned her. JMO, she and AW will do it again. It's sowing disorder and eventually chaos into all the trials. What is bungled in one trial spreads to the others. We know they've already been illegally sharing information about at least 2 or 3 of the 4 murder suspects. They were plotting ways to mess up the trials, coordinate false testimony and send each other messages when testifying with coded words.

That's the kind of thing that results in a mistrial, and we know the state and county won't pay for a whole new set of 4 capital trials. Maybe it's a feature, not a bug.

??? Again chaos how. I'm just not smart enough to understand. And honestly hope this is not true. No offense to you. Just concetned

 

[Betty P]

Asking because I'm not aware.
How does the defendant's bad behavior contribute to a mistrial. I just don't know. Thank you for your input.

IANAL, but it could come from RN and AW revealing information about or plotting to mess up the trials of AW and the other defendants. They can do this by revealing information that is prejudicial against other defendants, resulting in potential jurors receiving evidence they shouldn't have.

A jury should only hear evidence that is admissible under the applicable rules of evidence. If inadmissible evidence is mistakenly shown to jurors, or attorneys make improper statements to the jury in their arguments or examination of witnesses, a judge may decide that the case has been so tainted as to require a mistrial declaration.

5 Common Reasons for Mistrials

JMO, the judge allowing a defendant to discuss the evidence and trials of other defendants could also be very problematic, not to mention collaborating on ways to interfere with the trials by giving false testimony, etc.

ETA: JMO - Revealing inadmissible evidence to the jury can apply before the trial if that information is made public in any way to the potential jury pool.

Allowing RN to continue to remain unsupervised at home remains a big risk. I don't know how the judge is going to control the phone calls between her and AW in real time. Anyone familiar with jails know how they can do this? Do inmates have to reveal who they're calling before they're allowed to place a call?

 

[Rutledge203]

IANAL, but it could come from RN and AW revealing information about or plotting to mess up the trials of AW and the other defendants. They can do this by revealing information that is prejudicial against other defendants, resulting in potential jurors receiving evidence they shouldn't have.



5 Common Reasons for Mistrials

JMO, the judge allowing a defendant to discuss the evidence and trials of other defendants could also be very problematic, not to mention collaborating on ways to interfere with the trials by giving false testimony, etc.

ETA: JMO - Revealing inadmissible evidence to the jury can apply before the trial if that information is made public in any way to the potential jury pool.

Allowing RN to continue to remain unsupervised at home remains a big risk. I don't know how the judge is going to control the phone calls between her and AW in real time. Anyone familiar with jails know how they can do this? Do inmates have to reveal who they're calling before they're allowed to place a call?

Thank you

 

[Betty P]

Thank you

No problem. Sorry for the delay in answering, its busy this morning and have only had 1 cup of coffee.

I may be overthinking it, but I also wonder, if one defendant gets a mistrial does that influence the chances of the others following suit? These cases are all so closely connected vis a vis same crimes, same families all living together.

 

[KentuckyMama]

I wondered from the first pretrial how soon and who would be the first to insist on a change of venue. At the time it seemed that the defense would want the trials anywhere but there. It seems like that didn't happen and I've been surprised but still waiting for it. Now, I'm not so sure. I really hope this judge isn't weak, spineless, and easily controlled as it seems after yesterday. If he is, I see why no one in the defense side wants to move.

I told myself that JD has done this job a long time. He knows more than I do. I hope this is wisdom that I just can't see yet. I hope. Poor Geneva. The entire family must be very frustrated. It seems like the only one to stand firm and loudly for the victims was Sheriff Reader. Because he's the only one that has, he's the only one that has my trust. Not that it means anything. I think the Wagner's and the filth that floats around them have just been toxic and poisonous to the whole town.

 

[Merrygirl]

Judge to decide whether to send grandma back to jail in Pike Co. massacre
[from this article] "Angela is believed to be the mastermind of the conspiracy."

I've always thought this, but have never seen it in print before; JMO, because I can't explain any concrete reason why I think the murders were AW's idea and under her organization.

I agree with you, AW was the mastermind. AW is the dominate female type who held her family together at all costs. And there isn’t anything worse than a woman scorned! She has already proven to be full of evil, deceit, manipulation, agitator, dominance, and, if I was to guess—she controlled the purse strings. Everyone else is the follower. BW has his own personal agenda but can’t do it alone, this may have already proven with the alleged fight between him and CR 3 wks prior. GW is an extension of BW—all brawn, no brains—but in his mind he knows how to be a “ninja warrior” and can take on the world. JW is a momma’s boy, AW’s favorite. He gets whatever he wants cuz he’s the baby. He doesn’t like it cuz HMR stood up to him and did what she wanted. Momma said HMR is supposed to do what’s best for our family and we stick together. I have to show her who is boss cuz that’s what momma says. I think AW wants to keep the grandchildren because it’s a $ source. Since the men can’t bring in the dough, the added income of food stamps will have to suffice cuz we can sell those for profit!

This is just my mind going stark-raven mad and this story is so bizarre that I am constantly trying to understand why 6 people think it was their right to take the lives of 8 beautiful people. May justice prevail for the Rhoden, Gilley, & Manley families. This is my theory and I’m sticking too it.

 

[Merrygirl]

I wondered from the first pretrial how soon and who would be the first to insist on a change of venue. At the time it seemed that the defense would want the trials anywhere but there. It seems like that didn't happen and I've been surprised but still waiting for it. Now, I'm not so sure. I really hope this judge isn't weak, spineless, and easily controlled as it seems after yesterday. If he is, I see why no one in the defense side wants to move.

I told myself that JD has done this job a long time. He knows more than I do. I hope this is wisdom that I just can't see yet. I hope. Poor Geneva. The entire family must be very frustrated. It seems like the only one to stand firm and loudly for the victims was Sheriff Reader. Because he's the only one that has, he's the only one that has my trust. Not that it means anything. I think the Wagner's and the filth that floats around them have just been toxic and poisonous to the whole town.

IIRC, AW’s lawyer did present to the judge at one of the earlier (Jan or Feb) pretrials that he would request a change of venue but by OH law they have to try to seat an impartial jury before change of venue can proceed.

 

[Betty P]

IIRC, AW’s lawyer did present to the judge at one of the earlier (Jan or Feb) pretrials that he would request a change of venue but by OH law they have to try to seat an impartial jury before change of venue can proceed.

Change of venue might not be a bad idea. As you say, there's probably a lot of flotsam surrounding the W family in Pike County. There's also just enough people who still (wrongly) think FW and her family are righteous, holy people who would never be involved in crime or who think the Rhoden family deserved to be murdered.

The gossip grapevine seems very strong there and many people have likely chosen sides. JMO. Some may worry about retribution from some in the community for their vote. The W's, Newcombs and their "friends" may pose a threat to local jurors, with no one to really protect them. Such things have happened before.

So, yeah, having the trials in distant counties (or bringing in jurors from outside Pike County) is a good idea.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

More news updates today:

Judge gives grandmother a break on bail violation in Pike County massacre case

This is interesting, I don't think I've read that stated explicitly in the news media before:

Prosecutors said Newcomb has had repeated telephone conversations with her daughter, Angela Wagner, who’s charged along with her husband, Billy Wagner, and sons in the capital murders. Angela is believed to be the mastermind of the conspiracy.

also

Asst. Attorney General Angie Canepa outlined during the hearing the reasons why Newcomb’s bail should be revoked. She said Newcomb and Wagner danced around talking to one another for months and admitted they weren’t allowed to talk to one another on recorded jail calls. But in June, the conversations turned to discussions about their criminal cases and Angela gave her mother instructions.

“She tells her not to testify against them, that she doesn’t have to if she doesn’t want to,” Canepa said as she summarized the calls.

BBM

Lots of detail in this article about AC's arguments about what was in the phone conversations and why those conversations about evidence and testimony are important.

Canepa said the documents were the focus of some of the conversations along with trying to obtain information for Newcomb’s defense attorney.

"They’re talking about the date on the bottom of the paper, which is the date of April 2016 when the documents were printed out and how she copied it over,” Canepa said.

Canepa said Newcomb’s son, Chris, who is Angela's half-brother, facilitated conversations between Jake and his mother. Canepa said Chris had Angela and Jake on speaker phone together so they could communicate.

BBM

So I did hear that correctly yesterday - AW and Jake were talking together about the murder trials, etc. together on speakerphone.

ETA: RN can't be sent to jail for interfering with the trials of the murderers of 8 people, but this can happen

Ohio Judge to Reassess Jail Sentence Given to 79-Year-Old Woman For Feeding Stray Cats

 

[Johnny B Bad]

• 19CR000441C STATE OF OHIO -vs- NEWCOMB, CHRISTOPHER J

• Case Type:
• CRIMINAL

• File Date
• 05/01/2019

• Action:
• VIOLATION OF METAL SCRAPPING LAWS

• Case Judge:
• HARCHA, III, HOWARD H

• Next Event:
• 09/05/2019

Rita Newcomb charged with forgery

Angela Wagner charged with capital murder

JMO: I really think crime runs in this family, Rita Newcomb got smart mouth to Rob Junk when he asked questions about where the invisible man was during the grand jury.

Angela Wagner thinks she is smarter than the LE, she calls and talks to people that she is court order not to have any communication with.

So what does Judge Randy Deering do about it after Rita and Angela has been talking all year, he tells her that it is against court orders to do that and not be doing it again for the 3rd time!

It is plain as the nose on a person face who Judge Deering is taking his orders from, JMO

 

[rescuemom]

I too was very surprised that JD let her off with nothing more than a scolding when the evidence proved his court's orders were ignored and the evidence was proven. This may have been discussed and if I missed it I apologize -- will Judge Deering be the trial judge for any of the W4 trials. I'm sorry but I don't trust much on a local level

 

[CrimewatcherGrandma]

Is there any video of the phone calls being played in court yesterday? I have listened to "part 1" that ends when they are about to play them and then to "part 2" that is apparently after they were played. I read here that the "feed" messed up. Surely someone captured it. I can't believe that JD had/allowed RN to give her phone number to the entire world. I wonder how many calls she got last night? He did tell her she could give it later. She should have!

 

[Nanasteele]

Very disappointed in this judge! I sat in disbelief! She is not a 2 yr old and shouldn't be told 3 times. People that live in that area need to remember all this during re-election time. SMH

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Fox News has been following Mike DeWine for the past 2 months asking about new gun laws and execution in prison system, I hope that they ask about the Rhodens & Gilley murder trials and his thoughts on why Judge Deering didn’t put Rita Newcomb in jail after being warned twice of no contact with the 4 Wagners and how he could set by letting Rita disrespect the court and the Prosecution Attorneys, JMO