OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #52

[Merrygirl]

She isn't wearing one anymore.

When did it stop? There is nothing in the court docket that states it may be removed. There is an entry on 11/15/2018 stating if she met bail then she was to have home confinement. https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org/e...WQpbV9yr3trTF8FCLdGAcMpm4LkynEW*ewrqaGwZoTxEg

 

[Puzzles8]

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The article (and in picture captions) below describes RN's sad financial situation. No electricity, kerosene lamps and living on $700 per month of ss.

RN ""I'll give you her address because I have to take care of her," Newcomb said." referring to her mother.

Rhoden family massacre: Prosecutor alleges Fredericka Wagner plotted revenge

JMO, MOO, etc....

 

[Puzzles8]

No. No laws. He can legally talk to Jake and Rita and Angela, Angela can legally talk to him. It 100% falls on Angie's shoulders not to talk to Jake on a 3-way call. She can tell Chris no: "no don't put Jake on, I can't talk to him."

Chris did not force her to talk to Jake.
No one to blame but herself.....Angela Wagner does whatever she wants...no one tells her what to do.

No, CN did not "force" AW to talk to Jake.

But boy, he sure did enable it.
JMO, MOO, etc.

 

[Cool Cats]

No, CN did not "force" AW to talk to Jake.

But boy, he sure did enable it.
JMO, MOO, etc.

Yes for sure but not a crime @Puzzles8....Many inmates--it's a big thing--manipulate family and friends into doing 3-way calls and it falls back on the inmates, not on those they manipulated. If everyone was arrested who was coerced and taken advantage of by jail inmates on collect phone calls, the court system would explode into chaos.

Are three-way calls from jail allowed? - Ask the Inmate

Are three-way calls from jail allowed?
Three-way calls are dangerous for the inmate. Remember, there is a process to be able to receive a call from an inmate. The "no three-way call" rule is actually a rule worthy of enforcement as it allows for an unapproved call recipient to communicate with the inmate. (think Jake) This is considered dangerous for the staff and for the public at large.

The prisons and jails spend a lot of money to stop it from happening. There is software detection on the lines by the carriers that are set to catch the 3-way calls. Inmates seem to always get caught, and the penalties can be pretty harsh. Inmates that get caught will lose phone privileges for sure, maybe visitation and commissary for many months.

Angela Wagner lost both phone and mail privileges. Rita had sent her a letter which was forbidden under the no contact rule.

 

[Fat Old Man]

Could someone explain, to me why the prosecution, would not call JW & AW in RN trial? If they pleaded the 5th, or try to spin the truth it would only hang them in their own trials. JMO and my mind wondering.

 

[Loomis124]

When did it stop? There is nothing in the court docket that states it may be removed. There is an entry on 11/15/2018 stating if she met bail then she was to have home confinement. https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org/e...WQpbV9yr3trTF8FCLdGAcMpm4LkynEW*ewrqaGwZoTxEg

I apologize for the confusion. The word "shackled" is more what I was objecting to. I've never seen an ankle bracelet, so I have no clue if RN was wearing one Monday or not, but she was walking normally. JMO

 

[Loomis124]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed>

The article (and in picture captions) below describes RN's sad financial situation. No electricity, kerosene lamps and living on $700 per month of ss.

RN ""I'll give you her address because I have to take care of her," Newcomb said." referring to her mother.

Rhoden family massacre: Prosecutor alleges Fredericka Wagner plotted revenge

JMO, MOO, etc....

All lies, IMO. To get sympathy from the judge.

 

[Puzzles8]

Could someone explain, to me why the prosecution, would not call JW & AW in RN trial? If they pleaded the 5th, or try to spin the truth it would only hang them in their own trials. JMO and my mind wondering.

BBM
You hit the nail on the head!
JMO, MOO, etc.

 

[Betty P]

Yes for sure but not a crime @Puzzles8....Many inmates--it's a big thing--manipulate family and friends into doing 3-way calls and it falls back on the inmates, not on those they manipulated. If everyone was arrested who was coerced and taken advantage of by jail inmates on collect phone calls, the court system would explode into chaos.

Are three-way calls from jail allowed? - Ask the Inmate

Are three-way calls from jail allowed?
Three-way calls are dangerous for the inmate. Remember, there is a process to be able to receive a call from an inmate. The "no three-way call" rule is actually a rule worthy of enforcement as it allows for an unapproved call recipient to communicate with the inmate. (think Jake) This is considered dangerous for the staff and for the public at large.

The prisons and jails spend a lot of money to stop it from happening. There is software detection on the lines by the carriers that are set to catch the 3-way calls. Inmates seem to always get caught, and the penalties can be pretty harsh. Inmates that get caught will lose phone privileges for sure, maybe visitation and commissary for many months.

Angela Wagner lost both phone and mail privileges. Rita had sent her a letter which was forbidden under the no contact rule.

All those months we were wondering why AW was still wearing a jail uniform and looking so glum. We knew something was up. When AC finally revealed the phone calls, it suddenly all made sense. Remember someone thought her mom perhaps tried to smuggle something in her clothing.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

August 2016–January 2017 developmentsEdit
On August 4, during a court hearing relating to the custody of the 6-month-old and 4-day-old children left alive, Sheriff Charles Reader confirmed investigators' early suspicions that more than one shooter was involved in the killings. He also said that the two children remained in "grave danger" because of the investigation, and that the investigation was possibly the largest in the BCI's history in terms of manpower and resources.[49][50]
Why did Charles Reader still think those kids where in danger, did something else happen after the murders?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I find this very interesting and I’m obsessed with speculating about contents of the “Box of Important Stuff”
After all, it was labeled by “someone” as Important Stuff.

Statement from Defense:
“which the Defense thought may contain forms or documents relevant to the present action.”

Statement from Prosecutors:
”...it (the box) did not contain any such forms or documents as those sought by Defendant ...”

MOO
Possibly Defense worded motion poorly, too narrow.
Prosecutor worded response very carefully.
Attorneys use words, definitions, to their advantage. Not saying anyone lies, but “word games” are known to happen.

The contents of the box must be something DEFINED as other than documents or forms, items such as papers, receipts, hand written notes, letters, or information downloaded and printed regarding ...almost anything ... items that were not a document or form by DEFINITION.
Or
Contents of the box are items that ‘do not pertain to the present action’ but perhaps pertain to a future action, or can be a building block in some way relevant to one of other 4 Defendants actions.

Speculation as to exactly what is in the box could be endless

Defense Attorney may have lost sight of what was happening here and now this evidence has come in due to good work by Prosecutors.

BBM
MOO

It depends on what the person who labeled the box thinks is important. For instance any box labeled "important stuff" in my house would contain pictures of family. Deeds, car titles ect would be labeled as such. Ditto for birth and marriage certificates. Receipts would be labeled receipts from the year they were acquired. e.g. "receipts 2019" Maybe I am just OCD but I like everything labeled as to what it is and placed in it's proper place.

JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

REMINDERS:

Websleuths requires links to information stated as fact. Members can't say they can't or won't reveal their sources. Unless you are a Verified Insider, you must provide links.

RN's family or friends are not on trial. You may discuss what is said in MSM about them but you cannot sleuth them.

Stop the bickering.

 

[evelezrn]

Both the prosecution and defense stipulated that there were no items in the plastic tub of "important stuff" that were/are relevant to the case.

 

[Ann99]

Both the prosecution and defense stipulated that there were no items in the plastic tub of "important stuff" that were/are relevant to the case.

I think there is something important to the Prosecutions case in the box of “important stuff” . It is an item that is not defined as a form or a document.
My reason for thinking this is AC carefully worded response:

Statement from Prosecutors:
”...it (the box) did not contain any such forms or documents as those sought by Defendant ...”

 

[Ann99]

It depends on what the person who labeled the box thinks is important. For instance any box labeled "important stuff" in my house would contain pictures of family. Deeds, car titles ect would be labeled as such. Ditto for birth and marriage certificates. Receipts would be labeled receipts from the year they were acquired. e.g. "receipts 2019" Maybe I am just OCD but I like everything labeled as to what it is and placed in it's proper place.

JMO

That’s how I do things too. However, your last sentence may hit upon the answer.
Possibly something was misfiled or something was put into the box that was forgotten.
How many people had access to the box of “important stuff”? (I don’t think we know)
I find that when I have multiple files and a large pile of accumulated filing to do, I sometimes put an item in the wrong file. I
always have to double check myself.
That includes the wastebasket too. I’ve put something in a file that was meant for the wastebasket. I like thinking about AW possibly making that mistake.

my opinion only.

 

[evelezrn]

I think there is something important to the Prosecutions case in the box of “important stuff” . It is an item that is not defined as a form or a document.
My reason for thinking this is AC carefully worded response:

Statement from Prosecutors:
”...it (the box) did not contain any such forms or documents as those sought by Defendant ...”

I can totally see what you're saying and I get where you're coming from.

But I would think if that were the case, the prosecution would know that misleading the court and defendant by being sneaky with wording could be very detrimental.

It might result in a mistrial or an appeal and would not be worth it. And it would cause many to lose respect for AC or damage her reputation.

Also, I think if Rita knows something is in there that could really help her, her attorney would be pushy and much more insistent about it. (We've seen how stubborn he can be.)

BUT, then again, I may be over thinking the whole thing.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Here is something to think about, the 4 Wagners started watching the Rhodens in January, And they might have started planning the murders when HR left JW, they had LE checking other people out for the crimes over 2 years, these people are crafty killers they lie cheat and steal, the accused probably had little things made up around the house to if they where to get arrested it would get charges dropped or a mistrial, do not trust what comes out of Angela Wagners mouth, or any of the rest of the accused what they would say, JMO

 

[Berrybell]

Here is something to think about, the 4 Wagners started watching the Rhodens in January, And they might have started planning the murders when HR left JW, they had LE checking other people out for the crimes over 2 years, these people are crafty killers they lie cheat and steal, the accused probably had little things made up around the house to if they where to get arrested it would get charges dropped or a mistrial, do not trust what comes out of Angela Wagners mouth, or any of the rest of the accused what they would say, JMO

Exactly Johnny, it would not surprise me to see AW send the prosecution on a wild goose chase. JMO

 

[JustaboyFromMS]

The actual murder trials wont start until spring I bet. it'll be 2021/22 before all these cases are concluded. Moo, IMO & all that jazz

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Look how the story link of the Rhodens murders list the killers!


Perpetrator: Wagner Family (alleged)