OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #52

[Johnny B Bad]

Billy and Angela Wagner had a lot of personal property to have never made a really good income, the vehicles, ATVs, guns, and a new home, all of you sleuthers know how hard it is to make a living now days, and you cannot buy all that they had on a SSI income, George Wagner 4th and Jake was young men just getting started in life, IMO the two boys hasn’t worked long enough to have all the personal property the 4 Wagners had, that’s why we need the local on here to inform of us just how the 4 Wagners made their way in life, was they honest works or where they thugs?

 

[silenced]

Billy and Angela Wagner had a lot of personal property to have never made a really good income, the vehicles, ATVs, guns, and a new home, all of you sleuthers know how hard it is to make a living now days, and you cannot buy all that they had on a SSI income, George Wagner 4th and Jake was young men just getting started in life, IMO the two boys hasn’t worked long enough to have all the personal property the 4 Wagners had, that’s why we need the local on here to inform of us just how the 4 Wagners made their way in life, was they honest works or where they thugs?

I also would like to hear from locals. There is so much more to this than what’s been posted here. MOO, of course.

I appreciate the integrity of this website, but we won’t get to the truth without first sorting through the rumors.

 

[Cool Cats]

I also would like to hear from locals. There is so much more to this than what’s been posted here. MOO, of course.

I appreciate the integrity of this website, but we won’t get to the truth without first sorting through the rumors.

There is a revenge fear factor over locals' heads. Note confidential reliable source with revenge talk.

If convicted alot will come out from locals who knew them. Alot. Opinion.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

There is a revenge fear factor over locals' heads. Note confidential reliable source with revenge talk.

If convicted alot will come out from locals who knew them. Alot. Opinion.

Is the people really afraid that the Wagners will take retaliation upon the public?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

What do we all got to look forward to Monday, will everything start back over with Rita or is this a short stop off?

 

[Cool Cats]

Is the people really afraid that the Wagners will take retaliation upon the public?

Say you know the Wagners up close and personal and they know you. Like maybe you live down the road from them etc....And you are in the media telling how rotten they treated people, then, oh oh, they get out of jail.
Just was my opinion that maybe we will hear more about them from people who knew them when they are locked away for good.

Just seems odd to me that we don't hear from people who knew them well. I was just speculating, why?

RADIO SILENCE

 

[Cool Cats]

What do we all got to look forward to Monday, will everything start back over with Rita or is this a short stop off?

JURY TRIAL SCHEDULED TO COMMENCE IN THIS ACTION ON NOVEMBER 18, 2019 IS CONTINUED TO A LATER DATE TO BE SCHEDULED BY THE ASSIGNMENT COMMISSIONER.

This shows there still will be a trial. The only way not to have a trial is if Rita takes a plea deal. The prosecution wants to get some guilty verdicts on her, they will not drop her charges.

The hearing is probably to make sure the prosecution is set to go and hopefully a trial date will be set. I am hopeful the hearing will help move her trial along.

Opinion

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I agree with you

Say you know the Wagners up close and personal and they know you. Like maybe you live down the road from them etc....And you are in the media telling how rotten they treated people, then, oh oh, they get out of jail.
Just was my opinion that maybe we will hear more about them from people who knew them when they are locked away for good.

Just seems odd to me that we don't hear from people who knew them well. I was just speculating, why?

RADIO SILENCE

CC, in the Piketon Family Murders movie, the people was referring to FWs son as BAD GEORGE or BAD BILLY, just remember when they where caught with stolen property, Billy thought he could get the police man to write him a fine and that was it, another thing that really bothers me about this whole matter is that Judge Randy Deering was in all those old cases, JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Deering? Rea

I agree with you

CC, in the Piketon Family Murders movie, the people was referring to FWs son as BAD GEORGE or BAD BILLY, just remember when they where caught with stolen property, Billy thought he could get the police man to write him a fine and that was it, another thing that really bothers me about this whole matter is that Judge Randy Deering was in all those old cases, JMO

Deering? Really?
Well I am sure he will not let the Wagner murder trials slide like the slap on the wrist Billy got before. Nope, Deering seems careful, like making sure there are no grounds for appeals.
I don't get the about-face that happened recently over Rita's trial when he denied the Motion then changed his mind. He seems to be dotting all i's and crossing all t's. Probably a good thing.

 

[Dudly]

Is the people really afraid that the Wagners will take retaliation upon the public?

All that needs to be done is turn in some anonymous reports to government agencies. Turn people in as drug dealers, tell the IRS they are cheating on taxes, etc.. Just getting investigated can ruin a good reputation...

 

[RAISINISBACK]

It must be nice to have a member of local law enforcement for backup. Just my opinion of course.

I am not sure what you mean Loomis. Can you clarify? It's no secret on here that I have family in local, state and federal LE and I am very proud of them as I know personally how much they sacrifice to protect others. I don't think I am any more protected than anyone else as it takes the same amount of time for a relative on duty to get to my house as it does a non relative LEO if I call 911. WS is very pro LE. Or they have been as long as I have been on here. I think the LEO's working on the Rhoden case did an excellent job. I am sure they pulled a lot of overtime and even when they were off duty with family I would imagine this case was never very far from their mind. They followed the evidence. They arrested the suspects. Now the suspects are going to trial. A job well done I would say.

I don't think Readers gambling had any effect on the investigation. From what I have read in MSM (I don't have the link to the articles but I remember reading them so for now it's opinion I guess unless someone remembers what article it was and provides a link for me) Reader's gambling began after the murders. I would say he went to the casinos to try to forget what he saw that day and to try to deal with the stress of trying to solve a very complicated crime by trying to get away from it in a place that had nothing to do with it. The casinos are great for that as you can sit there and play a machine and never have to talk to anyone else the whole time you are there if you don't want to. I don't know how the casinos in Ohio are but here if someone is bothering you by talking to you while you are trying to play all you have to do is tell security who will toss the offending person out on their ear. I saw an escalating gambling problem, but not a huge one. I think he lost about 11000.00 over three years. In my business I have seen people lose 1.9 million dollars in one year at the casinos. I have seen people win over 400000.00 in one year but can't pay their utility bills and have to borrow money for their electric bill. They lose that 400000.00 back plus their entire paycheck each week. Casinos are not built on winners. Readers 11000.00 over 3 years was a drop in the bucket to some I have seen.

Besides from what I understood that number was based on a players club card which gives a distorted picture of wins and losses. A win/loss statement only records what is won or lost in that casino. I think I explained this once before but will try again. Let's say a person withdraws 100.00 from their ATM. They go to the casino #1 and put 20.00 of that in a machine. They win 200.00 on their 1st spin. They now have 219.00 on the machine. They cash out. They now have 299.00 cash in their pocket. They leave and go to casino #2 where they lose the entire 299.00. Casino #1 records a 199.00 win. Casino #2 will record a 299.00 loss when actually the person only lost the 100.00 of their own money they took out of the ATM. I never trust a win/loss statement from a casino as a record of what a person won or lost gambling. I go by W2G's and bank statements. But even then a bank statement can give a distorted picture of what a person lost since gamblers typically put what they win in their bank then draw it out at the casino to play on.

I know this is all clear as mud but what I am saying is there is no accurate way to record what Reader won or lost gambling.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

All that needs to be done is turn in some anonymous reports to government agencies. Turn people in as drug dealers, tell the IRS they are cheating on taxes, etc.. Just getting investigated can ruin a good reputation...

I imagine people already have turned them in.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

I am not sure what you mean Loomis. Can you clarify? It's no secret on here that I have family in local, state and federal LE and I am very proud of them as I know personally how much they sacrifice to protect others. I don't think I am any more protected than anyone else as it takes the same amount of time for a relative on duty to get to my house as it does a non relative LEO if I call 911. WS is very pro LE. Or they have been as long as I have been on here. I think the LEO's working on the Rhoden case did an excellent job. I am sure they pulled a lot of overtime and even when they were off duty with family I would imagine this case was never very far from their mind. They followed the evidence. They arrested the suspects. Now the suspects are going to trial. A job well done I would say.

I don't think Readers gambling had any effect on the investigation. From what I have read in MSM (I don't have the link to the articles but I remember reading them so for now it's opinion I guess unless someone remembers what article it was and provides a link for me) Reader's gambling began after the murders. I would say he went to the casinos to try to forget what he saw that day and to try to deal with the stress of trying to solve a very complicated crime by trying to get away from it in a place that had nothing to do with it. The casinos are great for that as you can sit there and play a machine and never have to talk to anyone else the whole time you are there if you don't want to. I don't know how the casinos in Ohio are but here if someone is bothering you by talking to you while you are trying to play all you have to do is tell security who will toss the offending person out on their ear. I saw an escalating gambling problem, but not a huge one. I think he lost about 11000.00 over three years. In my business I have seen people lose 1.9 million dollars in one year at the casinos. I have seen people win over 400000.00 in one year but can't pay their utility bills and have to borrow money for their electric bill. They lose that 400000.00 back plus their entire paycheck each week. Casinos are not built on winners. Readers 11000.00 over 3 years was a drop in the bucket to some I have seen.

Besides from what I understood that number was based on a players club card which gives a distorted picture of wins and losses. A win/loss statement only records what is won or lost in that casino. I think I explained this once before but will try again. Let's say a person withdraws 100.00 from their ATM. They go to the casino #1 and put 20.00 of that in a machine. They win 200.00 on their 1st spin. They now have 219.00 on the machine. They cash out. They now have 299.00 cash in their pocket. They leave and go to casino #2 where they lose the entire 299.00. Casino #1 records a 199.00 win. Casino #2 will record a 299.00 loss when actually the person only lost the 100.00 of their own money they took out of the ATM. I never trust a win/loss statement from a casino as a record of what a person won or lost gambling. I go by W2G's and bank statements. But even then a bank statement can give a distorted picture of what a person lost since gamblers typically put what they win in their bank then draw it out at the casino to play on.

I know this is all clear as mud but what I am saying is there is no accurate way to record what Reader won or lost gambling.

JMO

Thanks for explaining how gambling wins and losses can be skewed--make biased or distorted in a way that is regarded as inaccurate, unfair, or misleading.

Reader was greatly affected by the murders. He was practically in tears when talking to the public. He's local and took it personally.

To Pike County sheriff, killings are personal

The murders gave him insomnia and gambling was what made him feel better. Like drinking, drugs, excessive shopping, etc....Pick your poison. Sounds like he was used to gambling but the murders greatly escalated it.

Auditor's report on Pike County Sheriff: Gambling, seized cash and impounded vehicles

"..Reader revealed to investigators that his gambling activity increased during the Rhoden family homicide investigation in 2016, "when he was staying up late at night and couldn't sleep."

 

[rsd1200]

Say you know the Wagners up close and personal and they know you. Like maybe you live down the road from them etc....And you are in the media telling how rotten they treated people, then, oh oh, they get out of jail.
Just was my opinion that maybe we will hear more about them from people who knew them when they are locked away for good.

Just seems odd to me that we don't hear from people who knew them well. I was just speculating, why?

RADIO SILENCE

I wouldn't trust them if they only speak based on them being locked away forever. If they can't speak now, anon, then hold their tongues. If the Ws get out of jail most likely they'll flee the area as they won't feel safe there anymore. Lots of folks left alive who would still feel they murdered eight people and deserve comeuppance if they are released (theory).

 

[Loomis124]

Just to clear something up: Sheriff Reader was and still is very high up on my respected list. IMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

I wouldn't trust them if they only speak based on them being locked away forever. If they can't speak now, anon, then hold their tongues. If the Ws get out of jail most likely they'll flee the area as they won't feel safe there anymore. Lots of folks left alive who would still feel they murdered eight people and deserve comeuppance if they are released (theory).

Yes, if one or more of them got released their lives would be in danger. According to Jake they were getting death threats, getting blamed for the murders, and so decided to move away so S wouldn't hear it.

I assume the death threats came after the May 2017 searches were widely reported. LE did other searches at other times but kept those quiet, maybe LE called the media.

Posted: 2:09 PM, Apr 25, 2016
By: WCPO Staff, Journal-News staff

“We have received over 100 tips, we have conducted over 50 to 60 interviews … over 100 personnel were involved in this investigation. Five search warrants (the first month) have been executed, four crime scenes have been worked,” DeWine said.

 

[OhioBlues]

Yes, if one or more of them got released their lives would be in danger. According to Jake they were getting death threats, getting blamed for the murders, and so decided to move away so S wouldn't hear it.

I assume the death threats came after the May 2017 searches were widely reported. LE did other searches at other times but kept those quiet, maybe LE called the media.

Posted: 2:09 PM, Apr 25, 2016
By: WCPO Staff, Journal-News staff

“We have received over 100 tips, we have conducted over 50 to 60 interviews … over 100 personnel were involved in this investigation. Five search warrants (the first month) have been executed, four crime scenes have been worked,” DeWine said.

Why should anyone assume JW was telling the truth about death threats?

 

[Betty P]

Why should anyone assume JW was telling the truth about death threats?

I know, right? No offense intended, but it's ludicrous anyone would believe anything claimed by a man indicted for killing 8 people, including the mother and grandparents of his child.

The 4 Wags were a major threat to their entire community for the 2+ years prior to their arrests. It must have been like living in the midst of a well-armed cell of terrorists. The only thing that protected the community was the focus and presence of LE in the area, investigating the murders. JMO, the 4 Wags knew at least 1 or 2 investigators were wise to them, but W's knew they could manipulate the other investigators - keep them distracted to focus on others.

W's didn't slink out of town because they feared anyone. They were the most dangerous predators wherever they went. It's laughable they would play victims, as if they were the ones living in fear. Psychos. MOO

 

[rsd1200]

Why should anyone assume JW was telling the truth about death threats?

That's one thing I think they told the truth about. Death threats, as we've seen in other cases, especially ones that are highly publicized, are fairly common, toward defendants. It's why they put them in bullet proof vests or bring them in through the back, after capture. People become passionate about young people being murdered.

 

[rsd1200]

I know, right? No offense intended, but it's ludicrous anyone would believe anything claimed by a man indicted for killing 8 people, including the mother and grandparents of his child.

The 4 Wags were a major threat to their entire community for the 2+ years prior to their arrests. It must have been like living in the midst of a well-armed cell of terrorists. The only thing that protected the community was the focus and presence of LE in the area, investigating the murders. JMO, the 4 Wags knew at least 1 or 2 investigators were wise to them, but W's knew they could manipulate the other investigators - keep them distracted to focus on others.

W's didn't slink out of town because they feared anyone. They were the most dangerous predators wherever they went. It's laughable they would play victims, as if they were the ones living in fear. Psychos.

BBM
I'm sorry, I disagree. LE could not get out to rural areas in time to save a county(ies) of people who were widely dispersed. Once their radar was up, those folks were armed. Once they knew who the focus was on? A W trying to ask for directions in the dark would most likely have been shot on sight if he/she was on someone's property. The ONLY reason they pulled of the R/HHG murders was due to months of tracking them. They wouldn't have that opportunity again, after they were placed under "laser focus". Let them out of jail and the laser focus goes back on the W4, forever. They'd move away into solitude somewhere in the middle of nowhere.