OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #52

[Puzzles8]

It's on their facebook pages where they live and remember reading where back then.

Can you please give a link to this information.
I'd really be interested in seeing it. I've not been a member here since the beginning, so I know I've missed a lot of information.
TIA

 

[Puzzles8]

I have no doubt that the murder scene was horrific though I wouldn’t judge that by Charlie’s total inability to control his emotions. IMO he is a weak man.

In fairness, I don't think any of us can imagine what our reaction would be arriving on multiple brutal, bloody crime scenes. I suspect neither you nor I can fathom the carnage, as well as finding infants covered in their parent's blood.

Sadly and understandably, some of the the crime scene photos will need to be shown in court. I don't look forward to that day.

 

[Dontknow?]

Can you please give a link to this information.
I'd really be interested in seeing it. I've not been a member here since the beginning, so I know I've missed a lot of information.
TIA

Sorry, I can't. I don't think it's allowed plus wouldn't anyway. They have enough grief to live with and it wouldn't be right as they are victims.

 

[Cool Cats]

In fairness, I don't think any of us can imagine what our reaction would be arriving on multiple brutal, bloody crime scenes. I suspect neither you nor I can fathom the carnage, as well as finding infants covered in their parent's blood.

Sadly and understandably, some of the the crime scene photos will need to be shown in court. I don't look forward to that day.

BBM

I bet only the jury will see the photos. If the photos were shown to everyone in court they would end up plastered all over the internet...2 Cents....

Charles Reader was on the tv show tonight, What Ever He Saw was really, really bad , that man was in fear, hart broke and a nervous wreck all rolled in one, inside of him while he was trying to do his interview, I see now why Angela does not want the murder scene photos at their trials, JMO.

It was the worst he's seen in his 20 years of law enforcement. He had insomnia because of it and needed a distraction during those long sleepless nights.

Being from Pike it was personal to him.
If he hadn't shown emotion at that press conference (we saw his emotion) then people would complain about how "cold" he acted etc... In the public eye you can't please all of the people all of the time...2 Cents.....

Articles and discussions about Reader's Court Case can be found on the
WS thread HERE:

OH - Sheriff Charles Reader, charged with theft in office, Pike County, 29 June 2019

 

[Cool Cats]

My belief is they all want to sway public opinion of the Rhoden's and HG. At least their lawyers will in court.

I won't be swayed. Although there may have been troubles, rumors, video or whatever, they murdered 8 family members. Many young adults. It didn't need to come to this no matter what. Someone(s) was a force that it bothered enough to in order a kill. How sick. Mad son, son, daughter in law? Just to cover up an image of their family in the town/county/state & steal HR's daughter? Just sick human being's with a sick mind set.

BBM
It could backfire on the defense if they try to villainize the Rhodens and HG.
The jury could get offended and/or angry by this.

Same with badgering the prosecutions' witnesses. For instance, say a family member is on the stand testifying about Jake's violence in the weeks leading up to that night, then the defense cross examines him/her and tries to tear down their credibility, making them out as a liar, etc...

Jurors have alot of sympathy for witnesses that they see as being innocent victims and they don't take kindly to watching a pompous attorney re-victimizing them.
It's a tight rope they have to walk or risk the jury siding with the prosecution and ignoring every word they say.

But it also works the other way around---the defense trying to make their clients look better. Note the defense trying to make GW4 look better by telling the court that he wants to be alone in his cell to read the Bible. Or GW3's attorney announcing that his client couldn't be the mastermind, as LE accuses him, because he only has a 7th grade education. Even Fred's lawyer opened the door giving Fred the platform to sing her family's innocence to the MSM through a lengthy interview in her kitchen.
These statements seem innocuous enough but they are very deliberately put out there.
...2 Cents...

DEFENSE LAWYERS' TACTICS: UNFAIR OR JUST AGGRESSIVE?

"..But other experts, who acknowledge that an aggressive defense is generally within the Lawyer's Code of Professional Responsibility, caution that defense lawyers also have to be concerned about alienating the jurors.."

Five Ways to Connect with a Jury | The Law Office of Noah Weil

3) A gentler cross-examination

"..another big issue is how you conduct your cross-examination.
On the first point, an attorney rarely if ever needs come out with guns blazing regarding a witness.
If it appears you’re being kind and trying to get to the truth of a situation, you come across as infinitely more credible. Getting a witness to cry or swear at you is not a coup, it just makes the attorney look bad.

The second point is to not get emotional yourself if you can’t get an answer you’re looking for.
If a witness gives a rambling non-answer or injects their own commentary, don’t snap and don’t ask the judge to make them answer. At some point the jury is sympathetic to you for having to have a conversation with someone so clearly biased.. "

 

[Ragnarok]

In fairness, I don't think any of us can imagine what our reaction would be arriving on multiple brutal, bloody crime scenes. I suspect neither you nor I can fathom the carnage, as well as finding infants covered in their parent's blood.

Sadly and understandably, some of the the crime scene photos will need to be shown in court. I don't look forward to that day.

Doubtful anyone outside the courtroom will see uncensored images of the victims.

 

[Myland]

I have no doubt that the murder scene was horrific though I wouldn’t judge that by Charlie’s total inability to control his emotions. IMO he is a weak man.

Jmo I agree, so many people seen that scene that morning but Charlie acts like he was the only one. Poor Bobbie seen it and was even put through hxxx afterwards with questioning. And that was her family that she truly loved. She hasn’t went out and committed crimes and tried to blame in on what she seen. For that matter I don’t know of anyone other than Charlie that has tried to blame seeing the scenes for their bad behavior. Jmo

 

[Chingaling]

There is a special on Oxygen in like 45 min everybody. Should be interesting to see what they air considering not much has happened since the last episode.


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So sorry to hear that,RIP Bizzle

 

[Dudly]

Jmo I agree, so many people seen that scene that morning but Charlie acts like he was the only one. Poor Bobbie seen it and was even put through hxxx afterwards with questioning. And that was her family that she truly loved. She hasn’t went out and committed crimes and tried to blame in on what she seen. For that matter I don’t know of anyone other than Charlie that has tried to blame seeing the scenes for their bad behavior. Jmo

Do you know how BJM has reacted or functioned after the murders?

 

[Myland]

Do you know how BJM has reacted or functioned after the murders?

Jmo I am sure she has had trouble dealing mentally with everything but nothing on any court documents in pike county that I have seen. That’s my point I would think she would really be effected by everything that happened. Jmo

 

[Merrygirl]

Doubtful anyone outside the courtroom will see uncensored images of the victims.

Agree! During my sister in-laws trial the prosecution came to us to let us know when the photos would be sown and advised us to step out. Then right before the slides were shown the judge made the announcement to everyone in court. I’m not sure if the jury could choose not to look or not.

 

[Merrygirl]

Jmo I am sure she has had trouble dealing mentally with everything but nothing on any court documents in pike county that I have seen. That’s my point I would think she would really be effected by everything that happened. Jmo

I’m wondering if she was one of the witnesses that Defense mentioned about requesting juvenile records for priors? I have no idea if she had any juvenile priors nor am I implying, just looking at possible fodder for Defense. You KNOW she will definitely be a witness and JM also.

 

[Cool Cats]

Do you know how BJM has reacted or functioned after the murders?

Some snippets here and there from MSM. I get the impression she has alot of close family and church support and her pastor's support and the families' have victim advocates from the prosecutor's office. I also think she is doing better now because she is not being "harrassed" by LE anymore. I don't see her and James in court and I wonder if it has to do with them being witnesses. They are both considered witnesses.

"..From day one, when we first met them, the day of the tragedy, 22 of April, 2016, we've stayed in constant contact," said David Dickerson, victim advocate for the Pike County Prosecutor's Office.

"We all became very close with this family," Dickerson said. "They're just the type of family you will draw close to. I've watched the family grow in strength. I've watched them entrust me. I've entrusted them.."

"..Bobby Jo, who stood by her father during much of the interview, is having the toughest time with the deaths: “She don’t sleep, she don’t eat. She’s pretty busted up,” Leonard Manley said.

Bobby Jo Manley and other members of the Manley family have said they feel unfairly targeted by investigators. But focusing on those closest to a homicide victim -- like family members and friends -- is a routine investigative strategy.

Still the implication that Manley could be involved in her family deaths hurts, she said.

A wreath that Bobby Jo Manley made for Dana Manley Rhoden's grave. Manley Rhoden was Bobby Jo's older sister.

She is making decorations for their grave sites and plans to visit those soon.

Manley said she helped her sister Dana raise her children and was helping Frankie and Hanna raise their new families.

"Not having my family with me is the hardest. Sure we had our little arguments here and there, but they still love you; you still love them,'' she said. "I won't ever see them again until I meet them in heaven or hell.

"I'll visit the graveyard,'' she said.

"But it's not the same."

Bobby Jo Manley said that she's submitted to three lie detector tests and "passed each one of them," she said standing on her father's porch Tuesday afternoon April 17th 2017.

A memorial picture collage hangs above the sofa in Leonard Manley’s home.

Angela Payne from Columbus, Ohio, releases balloons with names of each Rhoden family member murdered two years ago.

"..Inside the church, Fulton encouraged his congregation to join in the balloon release to support the Manley family.

Bobby Jo Manley, Dana Manley Rhoden's sister, was joined by her and Dana's parents Leonard and Judy Manley, at the service.."

On the second anniversary of the Rhoden family massacre: 'I still got a lot of hate'

‘We ain’t got no revenge in our hearts’

Rhoden relative on lack of arrests: Investigators 'couldn't catch a cold'

 

[Fat Old Man]

No wonder they towed away the trailers! I can imagine they would for sure be broken into by some creep, and burglarized etc...I wonder what is going to happen to them now?
....2 Cents.....

This is my Opinion.
When the trailers were towed and put in storage. Their was lots of talk about them being unguarded, and not really secure. But I believe, a lot of the investigating done in this case. Was baiting people, to see which locals would show signs of guilt. Anyone who was involved, in killing eight people. Have the mind set, they can do know wrong and the police are to stupid to catch them. I would not be surprised, to see evidence presented at trail. That the guilty party went back into the trailers. Looking for something they may have left behind.
Some times a good bluff, will flush a guilt party out when they think your looking the other way.
I am sure the BCI security cameras,may be a little more undetectable, then what the Rhodens were using.

 

[Loomis124]

I have no doubt that the murder scene was horrific though I wouldn’t judge that by Charlie’s total inability to control his emotions. IMO he is a weak man.

That is a very mean thing to say against Sheriff Reader unless you can share some proof, IMO. Your idea of weak and mine are the opposite.

 

[Loomis124]

Jmo I agree, so many people seen that scene that morning but Charlie acts like he was the only one. Poor Bobbie seen it and was even put through hxxx afterwards with questioning. And that was her family that she truly loved. She hasn’t went out and committed crimes and tried to blame in on what she seen. For that matter I don’t know of anyone other than Charlie that has tried to blame seeing the scenes for their bad behavior. Jmo

IMO, that's only because Reader is the one getting the attention because he is PUBLIC. I have no proof, but I was here early on and it was reported some of the witnesses and early responders checked themselves into treatment centers. JMO

 

[Myland]

IMO, that's only because Reader is the one getting the attention because he is PUBLIC. I have no proof, but I was here early on and it was reported some of the witnesses and early responders checked themselves into treatment centers. JMO

Jmo it’s because Reader is the one that always states his personal legal problems stems from the stress of the murders. That is first I have heard of people checking into treatment centers, maybe Reader should have went that route also Jmo

 

[Loomis124]

Jmo it’s because Reader is the one that always states his personal legal problems stems from the stress of the murders. That is first I have heard of people checking into treatment centers, maybe Reader should have went that route also Jmo

Reader did not go that route. He had work to do. And I don't care what you heard. At least two went to treatment centers. JMO

 

[Loomis124]

Jmo it’s because Reader is the one that always states his personal legal problems stems from the stress of the murders. That is first I have heard of people checking into treatment centers, maybe Reader should have went that route also Jmo

What do you mean as "always?" Can you please cite other instances with links. Otherwise you're just a Reader hater. JMO

 

[Myland]

What do you mean as "always?" Can you please cite other instances with links. Otherwise you're just a Reader hater. JMO

It is was in many of the articles when Reader First went to court. My liking or not liking Reader doesn’t change what was stated in the articles.