OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #53

[Tiff23fr]

https://www.realmassacretalk.com/post/dna-found-at-crime-scenes

That's alot of DNA. I have never seen this before. In case someone else hasn't seen this thought I'd share it.

Thanks for sharing. It appears some pages are missing but from what I could see with a quick look at dates is that a lot of trace evidence (at least from these pages) was at the beginning of August 2018. The outlier being May 2016 which could have been the boot impressions or tire marks at the scene.
That would be right after or during the GJury but before the well search. I wonder what was searched at that time.
I wonder if placing the dates in these discovery documents next to known searches would reveal a good bit of info as to where some of the DNA, Trace, etc came from if you fast forward the comparison to 2017 and beyond. Prior to that would be a challenge. Just a curiosity...


https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...ation/Laboratory-Division/Trace-Evidence-Unit

 

[Momof4RN]

The "State" would not be doing anything to them. Whatever they get, they did to themselves. It's called Justice. There are criminals dying every day by the death penalty, and they've done nothing compared to what these people have done.

They took the lives of all little SW's immediate family. They don't deserve to live. I have no doubt she will understand why they get what they get.

As Tiff said, we all have strong opinions about the DP, either for it or against it. Angie Canepa put it best: "Death is not pretty."

Such a tough topic. I’m so mixed on where I stand with the DP. I do believe that whatever sentence the 4 end up receiving is what they will have deserved. I also wouldn’t be surprised if all 4 receive a different sentence. MOO is that Mama W is most deserving of the DP.

 

[Momof4RN]

Half her family has been murdered. The solution isn't to murder the other half. That's what the State would be doing - literally murdering the other half of her family. Enough is enough.
Simply throw them into maximum security and throw away the key. Also gives S and H the chance to say something to them which they may want to do some day. Maybe in 30 years who knows?

There was a case here in Virginia not too long ago where the husband murdered his wife and the State sought the DP. He got life and one of the primary reasons that sentence was chosen for him was so he could continue to have a relationship with his middle school age son. No doubt it will be a consideration for the 2 Wagner sons. JMO

 

[Betty P]

Thanks for sharing. It appears some pages are missing but from what I could see with a quick look at dates is that a lot of trace evidence (at least from these pages) was at the beginning of August 2018. The outlier being May 2016 which could have been the boot impressions or tire marks at the scene.
That would be right after or during the GJury but before the well search. I wonder what was searched at that time.
I wonder if placing the dates in these discovery documents next to known searches would reveal a good bit of info as to where some of the DNA, Trace, etc came from if you fast forward the comparison to 2017 and beyond. Prior to that would be a challenge. Just a curiosity...


https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...ation/Laboratory-Division/Trace-Evidence-Unit

Check our updated Timeline. It's on Page 19 of this thread. Some of the dates of the searches, discovery evidence, etc. have been included. If you find more to add, let me know and I'll update.

 

[Betty P]

I may not have been very clear in what I was trying to say. I wasn't talking about the red truck. I was referring to the truck JM had parked, I believe in DR's driveway and LE towed it away. LM was hopping mad that they took his son's truck (in an early interview right after the murders). IIRC, it wasn't registered properly. It jumped out at me at the time that LE would do that (to JM) when they were dealing with multiple homicides of his family members.

I'm wondering if JM is just the kind of guy that LE may have picked on in the past and perhaps he made a perfect scapegoat for the W's?

Here's a link to LM's interview that everyone has seen many times. He starts out very early talking about how LE impounded his son's truck.

All JMO

Yes, I agree, sorry for the misunderstanding. No doubt, IMO, the W's set up JM and BJM to be accused of the murders. BCI was also in panic mode that morning. They saw several dead family members, discovered by other family members and grow ops. Their first instinct was to arrest the two as it neatly fit into a typical profile for a family murder - MJ + money + jealousy & greed. They seized JM's truck probably to get evidence, prints, etc. and examine it for weapons, victim DNA, MJ, etc.

At the same time, the Manleys were in shock, dealing with terrible grief at the murder of their family. Just an awful situation all around, I feel so badly for what they went through.

I've no doubt, like others here, that JW probably planted evidence, including digital/hacking evidence, to incriminate the Manleys (and probably others) in the murders. It worked for a very long time.


It took more than a year to shake them from that theory and the W's were feeding those suspicions with false leads.

ETA: I'm still thinking about yr theory regarding the red truck - that JW may have put a mini digital camera on it and parked it somewhere around UHR and the crime scenes to monitor any traffic in the area during the murder spree.

Remember, news media also reported on discovery docs that JW or someone had rigged up a mini-cam on one of the Rhoden dogs. Was this done for the same reason - as a lookout while the killers were busy elsewhere?

 

[Cool Cats]

Manson followers REDUCED to life. REDUCED.
Exactly my point.
As long as people like this are alive, They are a danger to society.

If the Wagners get LWOP they will not be coming up for parole like Manson and his followers. LWOP is LWOP and you do not come up for parole.

Charles Manson Was Sentenced to Death. Why Wasn’t He Executed?
The cult leader and mass murderer got parole hearings until the very end.

In 1971, cult leader Charles Manson was sentenced to death for murdering two people and orchestrating the killings of seven others in August of 1969. But why, if he received the death penalty all those years ago, did he spend his life in jail, dying of natural causes in 2017?

It all has to do with a couple of court cases that suspended the death penalty the year after Manson was sentenced. These cases effectively struck down all methods of state execution in the U.S. for four years, leaving Manson and his followers with the next harshest sentence at the time in California—life with parole.

“At the time that Manson and his followers were sentenced to death, California did not have a life without parole sentence,” says Hadar Aviram, a law professor in California who is writing a book about the Manson Family parole hearings, titled Yesterday’s Monsters. So when the death penalty was taken away, Manson and his followers were bumped down to a sentence in which they would not only live, they would have a chance to walk free (by coming up for parole.)

 

[Sleuthinsleuther]

When will the interview videos be released?

 

[Loomis124]

When will the interview videos be released?

What interview videos?

 

[Puzzles8]

Thank you, CC. This is where I found out about TC.

Who or what is TC?

 

[Loomis124]

Thanks for sharing. It appears some pages are missing but from what I could see with a quick look at dates is that a lot of trace evidence (at least from these pages) was at the beginning of August 2018. The outlier being May 2016 which could have been the boot impressions or tire marks at the scene.
That would be right after or during the GJury but before the well search. I wonder what was searched at that time.
I wonder if placing the dates in these discovery documents next to known searches would reveal a good bit of info as to where some of the DNA, Trace, etc came from if you fast forward the comparison to 2017 and beyond. Prior to that would be a challenge. Just a curiosity...


https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...ation/Laboratory-Division/Trace-Evidence-Unit

August 2018 searches, the one in Scioto Co. was AW/RN's place on Havener Lane in South Webster.

Pike County massacre: 2 properties searched, no arrests

Alleged conspiracy - Portsmouth Daily Times

Latter search is referring to the one in August 2018.

 

[Loomis124]

Who or what is TC?

Sillybilly asked that only his initials be used. He was discussed at length weeks ago.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Good catch Dudly, thankx. I checked and Angela is the only one of the 4 who has this listed:

WAGNER, ANGELA JO

02/04/2020 ORDER GRANTING THE SEALING OF REQUEST AND ORDER FOR FEES TO INVESTIGATOR FILED **ORDERS FILED UNDER SEAL**

02/04/2020 MOTION, ENTRY, AND CERTIFICATION FOR APPOINTED COUNSEL FEES FILED

Seems they want to keep this particular investigator anyonomus. Interesting.
Nothing has been listed for anyone else since this was listed for all 4:

01/21/2020 STATE'S SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY FILED

Angela is due back in court:
02/25/2020 01:30 PM PRE-TRIAL

I have thought of this off and on all day.....I kept thinking back to the latest events with Rita’s Plea, the added search on FWF just before, and sure do wonder if Angela could be cooperating by suggesting (scopes of investigation as part of her defense) in some way as it relates to Wagner family history.

Angela has shown time and time again that she is out for herself. She doesn’t have a care in the world for others, not her children, not her grandchildren, not her mother and not her brother. Putting Rita through her legal ordeal (yes Rita did wrong, but they knew it wasn’t her signature), Pressing on with the phone calls to Rita, getting her brother right there in it with passing notes and speaker phone calls between her and Jake.... All this suggests to me is that if there are some serious shady secrets hidden in the Wagner enterprise or on their land and Angie thinks exposing that will help her in any way, I can see a major domino of events in the future. JMO - No Proof - no links- just possible random thoughts of the day.

 

[Puzzles8]

Sillybilly asked that only his initials be used. He was discussed at length weeks ago.

Then please give us a link back to that conversation

ETA so that the rest of us can figure out who this is, @sillybilly

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Will George Wagner 4th go to jury trial in May 2020 for Rhodens murders?

 

[Sleuthinsleuther]

What interview videos?

All the audio and video interviews LE did with the W’s

 

[Cool Cats]

All the audio and video interviews LE did with the W’s

They don't release evidence like that to the media but it will be shown during trials if the defense or prosecution wants the jury to hear something the Wagners said in those BCI interviews.

Defense: See how they say they didn't do it?
Prosecution: See how their stories change and contradict each other?

Also, there is a gag order in these cases and thus the evidence can't be discussed in public.
One reason a motion gets sealed is to keep it from the public.

A motion of Angela's was just sealed from the public, the defense doesn't want us knowing the name of, or type of, investigator they are hiring right now.

I think this is the reason for the defense sealing it, to keep it out of the public domain. The prosecution has a legal right to take a deposition from the investigators the defense hires for their case, so I do not think the defense is hiding this investigator from the prosecution.
....2 Cents....

What is a Motion to Seal? (with pictures)

"A motion to seal is a formal request that is submitted to the court to prevent evidence and transcripts related to a specific court case from being available to the general public.."
wiseGEEK

 

[Cool Cats]

I have thought of this off and on all day.....I kept thinking back to the latest events with Rita’s Plea, the added search on FWF just before, and sure do wonder if Angela could be cooperating by suggesting (scopes of investigation as part of her defense) in some way as it relates to Wagner family history.

Angela has shown time and time again that she is out for herself. She doesn’t have a care in the world for others, not her children, not her grandchildren, not her mother and not her brother. Putting Rita through her legal ordeal (yes Rita did wrong, but they knew it wasn’t her signature), Pressing on with the phone calls to Rita, getting her brother right there in it with passing notes and speaker phone calls between her and Jake.... All this suggests to me is that if there are some serious shady secrets hidden in the Wagner enterprise or on their land and Angie thinks exposing that will help her in any way, I can see a major domino of events in the future. JMO - No Proof - no links- just possible random thoughts of the day.

Right, if Angie gets off she can fight for custody of S and she wouldn't need the 3 guys to be released to do it. She can put all the blame on them and say if they did it she had no idea etc... Your points are valid, you can see the pattern.

In fact it wouldn't surprise me if she planted the whole idea into Jake's mind, gradually manipulating him. Remember she was angry when Hanna broke up with Jake when in truth it was none of her business.

Why the bad blood? Because it gave her less control over S. She is a total control "freak." She broke the Judge's edict by pestering Rita over the phone, telling her what to say and not say. Control.

She would control all the guys' defense strategies if she could talk to them.

...2 Cents...

 

[Antimony]

LWOP, Life Without Parole, is just that. EXCEPT..........EXCEPT.....EXCEPT...
Pardon, some court action, lenient judge somewhere, yada-yada.
The only way that society can be certain that these most evil doers can be safely handled is
to execute them. There is no chance for recidivism.

 

[Cool Cats]

LWOP, Life Without Parole, is just that. EXCEPT..........EXCEPT.....EXCEPT...
Pardon, some court action, lenient judge somewhere, yada-yada.
The only way that society can be certain that these most evil doers can be safely handled is
to execute them. There is no chance for recidivism.

LWOP is a sentencing alternative in all 29 states that practice the death penalty, in addition to the federal government and U.S. Military.

Ohio Prosecutors Seeking Life Without Parole Instead of Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center

The change in Ohio law was inspired by a murder victim’s mother’s advocacy for stiffer non-death sentence options.

Ohio prosecutors are taking advantage of their new option of life without parole, seeking it much more often than the death penalty.

“Prosecutors around Ohio, citing the ability to pursue harsh punishment without going through the complication and expense of a death penalty case are starting to take advantage of the 2005 law,” and the “number of death penalty indictments sought statewide dropped 32 percent from 2004 to 2007.” Clermont County Prosecutor Don White explained,

“Life without parole means it’s over. The only way they’ll get out is in a pine box or if the governor lets them out

Life Without Parole | Death Penalty Information Center

Considering the economic and social costs of capital punishment, including the risk of executing innocent people, many believe that life without parole, or LWOP, is a preferable alternative to capital punishment.

Year That States Adopted Life Without Parole (LWOP) Sentencing | Death Penalty Information Center

 

[sholmes33]

Sorry I haven't had a chance to respond to your earlier post, BettyP. I agree he is not a suspect. But I do believe he became a part of the investigation the moment JW and his family did. I don't know at what point that was. IMO, LE was onto the Wagners much sooner than JM's arrest. Does anyone remember the orange Cadillac?

Based on the overall "reaction" to the Dailey files' discovery, I think this attorney and those files are paramount to the motive in these murders.

I don't know how long he has been in the area. His wife is from there.

Me being the digger I am, anything can be found online these days. I can't always connect the info in a sweet line, but I sure can put 2 and 2 together, and not even half as well as my fellow sleuthers. And I will say, I am not privy to ANY inside information, which gives me a strong advantage, in that I am clean as a whistle, should ACrun my profile tomorrow.

The Dailey files were stopped dead in their tracks. Wonder why?

Possibly attorney/client privilege issues?