OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #57

[GoBuckeyes]

What's an actual conflict? I've not heard that before in a legal document.

I've heard conflict of interest, conflict of schedule, but I've never heard it stated that way.

 

[Betty P]

I'm just picturing her in her snood with a slingshot. I'd love to hear her explain away that purchase.

I've pulled a muscle in my back yesterday. You made me laugh, then go "ouch".

 

[Johnny B Bad]

One question to you Sluthers tonight, looking at the autopsy reports all the Women’s reports tell’s everything about their female organs, it is listed but the Men’s male organs is blackout except for Frankies, his report starts to Say something about his male parts ???? JMO
Could I be looking to deep into this????

 

[Betty P]

One question to you Sluthers tonight, looking at the autopsy reports all the Women’s reports tell’s everything about their female organs, it is listed but the Men’s male organs is blackout except for Frankies, his report starts to Say something about his male parts ???? JMO
Could I be looking to deep into this????

Yes, I recall that detail about the ARs. It's hard to say considering so much is redacted. Ugh. I'll have to toughen up when it comes time for these trials, when the details come out. A lot of us will. There have been some cases here at WS that just break your mind - the cruelty and horror of some criminals. There are verified LE here who say you have to take a break from it now and then, it can get to you.

 

[ColMustard]

Maybe the board on the window is actually a mini blind?

Searching a bit and found some discussion about the window, but the pic there is so grainy you cant see much detail.

Found some references to the slingshot from this page posted in 2019, couldn't find anything earlier but I know we talked about it:

OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#47

“It is an interesting list of purchases: 2x bullet proof vest, a second BPV, 4x fringed and flashy coat, slingshot, and a helmet“

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I still can't see it, but I remember well what it looks like. Definitely was a bullet hole!

I remember something that looked like a bullet hole in that front window at Chris's. many posts during 2016 about it.
jmo

 

[Cool Cats]

The new Acts of Violence charge was added and then this lawyer appears, that's his forte I guess?

Johnny posted this about the lawyer:

Andy Wilson
Senior Advisor for Criminal Justice Policy
Andrew Wilson has served as the Prosecuting Attorney for Clark County, Ohio since 2011. He also served in the Ohio National Guard and achieved the rank of Lieutenant.

Prior to his election as Clark County Prosecutor, Wilson worked in the civil section representing the townships and agencies within Clark County. He was later assigned to the criminal division where he specialized in prosecuting cases involving violence against women.

There has been no "Acts of Violence" charge added.

September 17, 2019 Jake's Motion filed which would include violence

DEFENDANT'S MOTION #23 MOTION TO EXCLUDE ANY EVIDENCE RELATING TO OTHER CRIMES, WRONGS OR ACTS

October 8, 2019 State of Ohio opposes Jake's Motion 23

There is some evidence Mr. Wagner (Jake) was violent with one of the victims prior to the murders,” said state Special Prosecutor Angela Canepa, seemingly indicating the prosecution wants to present that alleged incident as part of the case against Wagner.

The Court finds the State of Ohio opposes, at least in part, Defendant's Motions Number 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 42, 43, and 44.

June 24, 2020 Special Prosecutor Wilson is appointed

ENTRY APPOINTING SPECIAL PROSECUTOR, D ANDREW WILSON, TO ASSIST THE PIKE COUNTY PROSECUTOR IN THE PROSECUTION OF ALL MATTERS INVOLVING AND ARISING OUT OF THIS CASE

September 14, 2020 Jake's Attorney files Motion to Revoke Wilson from the Case

DEFENDANT'S MOTION NO. 51 NOTICE OF AN ACTUAL CONFLICT AND MOTION TO REVOKE ANDREW WILSON'S APPOINTMENT AS SPECIAL PROSECUTING ATTORNEY

 

[Cool Cats]

Maybe the board on the window is actually a mini blind?

Searching a bit and found some discussion about the window, but the pic there is so grainy you cant see much detail.

Found some references to the slingshot from this page posted in 2019, couldn't find anything earlier but I know we talked about it:

OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#47

“It is an interesting list of purchases: 2x bullet proof vest, a second BPV, 4x fringed and flashy coat, slingshot, and a helmet“

Slingshot PayPal Receipt in Evidence - Exhibit #4

Click on 'Pages' in upper left hand corner then click on page 41 or scroll down.

Motion to Dismiss Fredericka Wagner Charges

Product Description -

Pocket Shot Stealth, Catapult, Slingshot, Bush Craft, Survival, Prepardness

 

[ColMustard]

Slingshot PayPal Receipt in Evidence - Exhibit #4

Click on 'Pages' in upper left hand corner then click on page 41 or scroll down.

Motion to Dismiss Fredericka Wagner Charges

Product Description -

Pocket Shot Stealth, Catapult, Slingshot, Bush Craft, Survival, Prepardness

Thanks!

Wow, a $43 slingshot, but not at all what I expected to see. This would explain the consistency of those two shots to the window. This is not your grandpa's slingshot.

 

[Cool Cats]

Thanks!

Wow, a $43 slingshot, but not at all what I expected to see. This would explain the consistency of those two shots to the window. This is not your grandpa's slingshot.

They say this is a weapon! Wow...how vicious are these people? Or maybe Fred got it for self defense? For fun for Billy? Ok then....

 

[Cool Cats]

I don't mean to gripe or appear ungrateful for all the posting and organization of hearings, MSM articles, etc., on here, but I continue to find it difficult to find things. Such as GW4's last hearing. I'd like to listen again, but it is only posted somewhere on a thread on a page and it's so frustrating to hunt for it. I just wish we had better organization as we start into the trials. Thank you all for what you do.

Just bookmark this article and you can get to GW4's bond hearing in 2 seconds.
2nd video down. 2 hours and 16 minutes.

Entire hearing with all of Scheiderer's testimony. Good quality with a 10 second back button which is really helpful when you need to re-hear something.

George Wagner request for bail denied after hearing reveals new details

WAVERLY, Ohio (WKRC) - Judge Randy Deering denied the request for bond from George Wagner IV after hearing two hours of testimony from the lead BCI investigator on the case, Special Agent Ryan Scheiderer. (Photo of the Special Agent testifying)

 

[Antimony]

I have one of the pocket slingshot devices.
They are worthless. Weak and impossible to aim.
Next.
Firing a weapon thru a window blind at a close range would blow a much bigger hole in it due to the muzzle blast.
Finally.
The rifle was not a "32 rifle" it was an SKS, Russian designed 7.62 X 39 military rifle.
Not full automatic, probably a Chinese clone of the actual rifle, shoots the same ammunition as an AK-47.
MOO

 

[Cool Cats]

I have one of the pocket slingshot devices.
They are worthless. Weak and impossible to aim.
Next.
Firing a weapon thru a window blind at a close range would blow a much bigger hole in it due to the muzzle blast.
Finally.
The rifle was not a "32 rifle" it was an SKS, Russian designed 7.62 X 39 military rifle.
Not full automatic, probably a Chinese clone of the actual rifle, shoots the same ammunition as an AK-47.
MOO

There might be both. GW4's SKS that he admitted getting a night scope for to hunt raccoons and a 32 rifle of which shell casings were found at Senior's. I would have to look over my hearing notes to be accurate about this but both sound familiar to me as per mentioned in the bond hearing. I like to get it word for word.

I have yet to see any bullet holes through any windows. I doubt it, but I do concede that casings were found on Senior's porch. But the theory of shooting deliberately through a window I don't believe. Perhaps a door but not a window unless I can see something substantial.

I bet there are no photos of any bullet holes through any Rhoden windows that can be produced. Sounds like a rumor to me but just my opinion after over 4 years of never seeing anything to substantiate this.

I am open to hearing why others believe this happened, which window at Seniors, and why they think it happened?

I assume everyone is talking about the window to the left of front porch that was clearly boarded up in March 2016, which later, after the murders, appears to be a normal window not boarded up with no bullet holes that I have ever seen.

Just being honest with how it looks to me, and again, I am open to other posters who see it differently.

No disrespect intended toward anyone.
... 2 Cents Only ...

 

[ColMustard]

Around May 2016 on this forum, we were looking at the pics and discussing those rumored holes in the glass we were looking at.

 

[sunshineray]

Johnny posted this about the lawyer:

Andy Wilson
Senior Advisor for Criminal Justice Policy
Andrew Wilson has served as the Prosecuting Attorney for Clark County, Ohio since 2011. He also served in the Ohio National Guard and achieved the rank of Lieutenant.

Prior to his election as Clark County Prosecutor, Wilson worked in the civil section representing the townships and agencies within Clark County. He was later assigned to the criminal division where he specialized in prosecuting cases involving violence against women.

There has been no "Acts of Violence" charge added.

September 17, 2019 Jake's Motion filed which would include violence

DEFENDANT'S MOTION #23 MOTION TO EXCLUDE ANY EVIDENCE RELATING TO OTHER CRIMES, WRONGS OR ACTS

October 8, 2019 State of Ohio opposes Jake's Motion 23

There is some evidence Mr. Wagner (Jake) was violent with one of the victims prior to the murders,” said state Special Prosecutor Angela Canepa, seemingly indicating the prosecution wants to present that alleged incident as part of the case against Wagner.

The Court finds the State of Ohio opposes, at least in part, Defendant's Motions Number 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 42, 43, and 44.

June 24, 2020 Special Prosecutor Wilson is appointed

ENTRY APPOINTING SPECIAL PROSECUTOR, D ANDREW WILSON, TO ASSIST THE PIKE COUNTY PROSECUTOR IN THE PROSECUTION OF ALL MATTERS INVOLVING AND ARISING OUT OF THIS CASE

September 14, 2020 Jake's Attorney files Motion to Revoke Wilson from the Case

DEFENDANT'S MOTION NO. 51 NOTICE OF AN ACTUAL CONFLICT AND MOTION TO REVOKE ANDREW WILSON'S APPOINTMENT AS SPECIAL PROSECUTING ATTORNEY

Thanks very much for the info JohnnyB posted about that new prosecution lawyer, I missed that.

On this past Saturday, OhioBlues posted this:

GW COURT CASE (LATEST ENTRY)

9/9/2020 ENTRY EXTENDING TIME FOR STATE'S MOTION TO FILE NOTICE OF INTENT TO USE OTHER ACTS OF VIOLENCE - NEW DATE AGREED UPON IS DECEMBER 31, 2020

So I was speaking to the fact that it looked like prosecution wants to use evidence of previous acts of violence by GW3 or GW4. I wasn't sure which one and mentioned maybe it was the fight with CRSR, all those texts at Big Bear Lake (maybe that's where "the fight" occured?) but then I think someone clarified OhioBlues post was about the younger GW?

 

[dgfred]

Slingshot maybe good for knocking out cameras or lights. Just hear glass break.

 

[Antimony]

Trailer windows are made of regular single pane glass. It would shatter upon impact unlike auto (safety plate) or an acrylic substitute. Big Chris was shot thru a door according to autopsy. That is where the rifle was used in my opinion. Using a rifle in a house trailer would be problematic as to maneuvering it. Big Chris was killed first, with a noticeable time lapse before the others. However, A rifle would have alerted Frankie something was up. I wonder how they would have accomplished that?

 

[Antimony]

Slingshot maybe good for knocking out cameras or lights. Just hear glass break.

Just buy one of these and try it. You will be appalled at it's worthlessness. I would reccoment a daisy air rifle for the purpose mentioned.

 

[dgfred]

daisy air rifle makes a sound when fired.

 

[dgfred]

Trailer windows are made of regular single pane glass. It would shatter upon impact unlike auto (safety plate) or an acrylic substitute. Big Chris was shot thru a door according to autopsy. That is where the rifle was used in my opinion. Using a rifle in a house trailer would be problematic as to maneuvering it. Big Chris was killed first, with a noticeable time lapse before the others. However, A rifle would have alerted Frankie something was up. I wonder how they would have accomplished that?

Seems to me he was shot while moving towards the door... to see who was there or what he heard outside.
Maybe a busted light or camera? Goes to see what is up and is shot while near the door. Trailer doors are not thick/well made at all. A couple of shots and he is down or incapacitated. Then killed. My thoughts only.