OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #58

[Ann99]

Just thinking about GR being dropped off.
CR would be lying dead inside that trailer, the killers would be in there waiting. They would have to hit GR the second he walks in b/c he's going to see the blood immediately.

That would make sense with the specific wounds Gary received. Grab him from behind the moment he closed the door. Gun to his head. ugh. So awful.
Poor Gary, he is totally unrelated to the custody battle and he unwittingly got in the middle of the Wagner murder spree. If you think about it, Kenny is unrelated to custody too, so there had to be something more to the need to kill KR also.

 

[LeftEyed]

Who do you think dropped him off?

No clue, but @RAISINISBACK mentioned thinking KR dropped GR off. I had completely forgotten about GR allegedly not driving at the time.

 

[LeftEyed]

That would make sense with the specific wounds Gary received. Grab him from behind the moment he closed the door. Gun to his head. ugh. So awful.
Poor Gary, he is totally unrelated to the custody battle and he unwittingly got in the middle of the Wagner murder spree. If you think about it, Kenny is unrelated to custody too, so there had to be something more to the need to kill KR also.

I've always felt KR had to go b/c he'd immediately know who did it.

 

[Dudly]

I agree that I'm curious about why Angie and Billy did not live together yet went to AK and lived together? Was this sopose to be a reconciliation? If Billy did not live with her after AK then obviously that reconciliation didn't work.

I am seeing alot of motives for the move to AK but Angie and Billy's marriage is a complete mystery.

Maybe there is no mystery about Billy’s and AW’s marriage or living arrangement. It was my understanding that Billy was living with FW to help take care of Bob. Maybe that is what it was and everyone is overthinking things.

 

[Antimony]

Regarding the purchase of a "Night Scope".
These things are expensive! Even for a cheapie with IR illumination, They are $500.
Did they ever mention the type, brand or model number?
Was it ever found? Was anyone questioned about it? Was it just a scope or was it firearm mounted?
Some of the higher-end versions do the light intensification thing and magnification and display that on a small led backlit screen. I do not know enough about these things to know about resident memory or removable storage. Probably out of their league.

MOO

 

[Nanasteele]

Exactly, wait till the trial starts and he has twelve jurors staring at him every day!

Exactly! He may have a melt down if that bothers him. Wait until he hears all the things that is going to be said about him!

 

[Berrybell]

Exactly! He may have a melt down if that bothers him. Wait until he hears all the things that is going to be said about him!

Yep, and wait till it is rubbed in his face every single day by the prosecution HR didn't love or want him for all the world to hear.

 

[Cool Cats]

Maybe there is no mystery about Billy’s and AW’s marriage or living arrangement. It was my understanding that Billy was living with FW to help take care of Bob. Maybe that is what it was and everyone is overthinking things.

So he lives with his dad in 2016 maybe even earlier to take care of him and then keeps living with his dad in 2017. Maybe a year and a half total - if not longer - living with his dad all to take care of him....OK...Then when his dad is at his most ill, 3 months before he dies, Billy runs off to live in AK and leaves him and stops taking care of him...Makes no sense, I think he and Angela had problems.

Unless I'm wrong and Bob didn't die while they were in AK. I thought he passed in August 2017, just 3 months after Billy left and Angela's dad passed in November 2017. I think they wanted to get away from Scheiderer and the intense investigation of them with Fred's blessing...2 Cents..

Regarding the purchase of a "Night Scope".
These things are expensive! Even for a cheapie with IR illumination, They are $500.
Did they ever mention the type, brand or model number?
Was it ever found? Was anyone questioned about it? Was it just a scope or was it firearm mounted?
Some of the higher-end versions do the light intensification thing and magnification and display that on a small led backlit screen. I do not know enough about these things to know about resident memory or removable storage. Probably out of their league.

MOO

Looking back at my notes,
2 night scopes could have been purchased.

GW4 said he got one for his SKS 762 to hunt raccoons and he said it's perfectly legal.

But Jake's Rewards Card shows a night scope was purchased from Bass Pro Shop for an AR rifle.

A Rewards Card is a credit card that's how they could afford it. Many purchases were made on Jake's Rewards Card so they basically "charged murder."

2 Cents

 

[Ann99]

A very interesting old article considering all we have recently discussed.

Father charged in Pike County murders had past brushes with law

Loomis, this article is mostly about "prior acts".
However this info on Bob Wagners death is what I was looking for:

"What is now known — and what had long been suspected by those in Pike County — is that investigators in Ohio were on the family’s trail, even when they moved to Alaska’s remote Kenai peninsula.

And they stayed on the trail when the family came back to Ohio
after Billy Wagner’s father, George W. “Bob” Wagner, died Aug. 21, 2017, and was buried on the family’s Flying W Farm."

I forgot he was buried on the Flying W Farm.

 

[Dudly]

So he lives with his dad in 2016 maybe even earlier to take care of him and then keeps living with his dad in 2017. Maybe a year and a half total - if not longer - living with his dad all to take care of him....OK...Then when his dad is at his most ill, 3 months before he dies, Billy runs off to live in AK and leaves him and stops taking care of him...Makes no sense, I think he and Angela had problems.

Unless I'm wrong and Bob didn't die while they were in AK. I thought he passed in August 2017, just 3 months after Billy left and Angela's dad passed in November 2017. I think they wanted to get away from Scheiderer and the intense investigation of them with Fred's blessing...2 Cents..



Looking back at my notes,
2 night scopes could have been purchased.

GW4 said he got one for his SKS 762 to hunt raccoons and he said it's perfectly legal.

But Jake's Rewards Card shows a night scope was purchased from Bass Pro Shop for an AR rifle.

A Rewards Card is a credit card that's how they could afford it. Many purchases were made on Jake's Rewards Card so they basically "charged murder."

2 Cents

BBM
How did you determine how long he may have lived with FW? It could be he was with AW and family a day or two a week during the time he stayed at FW's house, also. When BWIII left to move to Alaska, do you know he was still living with FW? By the time they left maybe Bob was under Hospice care and BWIII was no longer needed to help.
Just curious as to how you made that opinion...

 

[Cool Cats]

BBM
How did you determine how long he may have lived with FW? It could be he was with AW and family a day or two a week during the time he stayed at FW's house, also. When BWIII left to move to Alaska, do you know he was still living with FW? By the time they left maybe Bob was under Hospice care and BWIII was no longer needed to help.
Just curious as to how you made that opinion...

Simple answer. 260 Peterson Rd. Is only a 30 minute drive from FWF.
You don't leave your wife and stop living with her just because your parent is sick when you can easily drive over every day to your parent's house plus even spend the night over there to help out. Even your wife could help out. You don't stop living with your family for that unless you do not want to live with your wife anymore.

Canepa said Jake and George did not live with Billy, that they were only living with Angie on Peterson Rd. Angie is the one who always lived with them. I think Canepa meant that Billy lived somewhere else permanently, not temporarily.... My take on it.

But yes of course he still visited, after all, he was there the night of the murders. Hug your grandchildren goodnight before you go out to kill one of their mothers.

And yes, he could have changed his mind after the murders and decided he did want to live with her again and then maybe he did move in with her on Peterson Rd. Maybe murder and mayhem brought Billy home again to his family, it's such a sick evil disfunctional family who knows?

Just my opinion and of course I don't know what really happened in their marriage.
My opinions are probably all wrong since I base them on normal people's behavior and the Wagners are not normal.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Just thinking about GR being dropped off.
CR would be lying dead inside that trailer, the killers would be in there waiting. They would have to hit GR the second he walks in b/c he's going to see the blood immediately.

Do you have a link stating Gary was "dropped off" or is it an opinion? Please post a link if you have one. TIA.

 

[Puzzles8]

That would make sense with the specific wounds Gary received. Grab him from behind the moment he closed the door. Gun to his head. ugh. So awful.
Poor Gary, he is totally unrelated to the custody battle and he unwittingly got in the middle of the Wagner murder spree. If you think about it, Kenny is unrelated to custody too, so there had to be something more to the need to kill KR also.

Kenny was shot once, through his right eye. IMO, he was shot by a lefty..

I don't think it's Billy, his scorpion tattoo is on his right hand. That tells me he is a righty. Leaves me with, which one of the boys might be a lefty?? Does anyone know?

A single shot to the eye sometimes signify's the victim had to be killed because they witnessed too much. I don't think KR was in the original plan, I agree with RASINISBACK's theory KR dropped GR off and KR might have seen something he could later associate with the W4.

Of course, JMO, MOO!

 

[Ann99]

I'll guess the official purpose of the safe was to secure car titles and temporary license plates. Don't know what else it may have held.

I think it was a really big very heavy safe, from the info on the invoice. The size caused me to think it was a gun safe.
CRsr may have kept the paperwork you mention in there.
It's a good thought, but it had to be more than car titles and plates.
I'm guessing cash, and guns.
Maybe the Wagners had no interest in the safe.
What makes me think they did want something more inside the trailer is that they could have quickly killed CR as they did GR.
Instead it seems (from the little we gather from the autopsy info) that CR was tortured. Why spend the time to do that if not to get something from CR?

 

[Puzzles8]

I think it was a really big very heavy safe, from the info on the invoice. The size caused me to think it was a gun safe.
CRsr may have kept the paperwork you mention in there.
It's a good thought, but it had to be more than car titles and plates.
I'm guessing cash, and guns.
Maybe the Wagners had no interest in the safe.
What makes me think they did want something more inside the trailer is that they could have quickly killed CR as they did GR.
Instead it seems (from the little we gather from the autopsy info) that CR was tortured. Why spend the time to do that if not to get something from CR?

Honestly, I had not even thought about a gun safe.

I agree there was evidence of a battle, but based on any known facts, I don't think there was any evidence CR was tortured.

Others have also alluded to this. Why do people keep referring to alleged torture? Where is this information coming from?

 

[Cool Cats]

Honestly, I had not even thought about a gun safe.

I agree there was evidence of a battle, but based on any known facts, I don't think there was any evidence CR was tortured.

Others have also alluded to this. Why do people keep referring to alleged torture? Where is this information coming from?

I understand how you feel Puzzles...

The torture rumor of Chris Sr. comes from more than 4 years ago when SM exploded that Cartel shot him over and over until he told where his $ was hidden.

No evidence this happened to any of the 7 Rhodens and Hannah Gilley.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

IMO, some thought that because both Gary and Chris had skull fractures, they had been tortured. My thoughts were the shots to the head caused the fracturing. In time, we will hopefully have those answers.

Still others thought that because the males genitalia reports (on AR) were blacked out it meant they were tortured. IMO I doubt it, simply because I don't think the killers spent an excess amount of time at any of the locations.

These are my thoughts but ICBW. Opinions are a dime a dozen and I got mine at a discount.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Simple answer. 260 Peterson Rd. Is only a 30 minute drive from FWF.
You don't leave your wife and stop living with her just because your parent is sick when you can easily drive over every day to your parent's house plus even spend the night over there to help out. Even your wife could help out. You don't stop living with your family for that unless you do not want to live with your wife anymore.

Canepa said Jake and George did not live with Billy, that they were only living with Angie on Peterson Rd. Angie is the one who always lived with them. I think Canepa meant that Billy lived somewhere else permanently, not temporarily.... My take on it.

But yes of course he still visited, after all, he was there the night of the murders. Hug your grandchildren goodnight before you go out to kill one of their mothers.

And yes, he could have changed his mind after the murders and decided he did want to live with her again and then maybe he did move in with her on Peterson Rd. Maybe murder and mayhem brought Billy home again to his family, it's such a sick evil disfunctional family who knows?

Just my opinion and of course I don't know what really happened in their marriage.
My opinions are probably all wrong since I base them on normal people's behavior and the Wagners are not normal.

Ahhh, but define a living place. When someone moves out of a place they were living they take most or all of their possessions. We don't know if Billy did that. Did he take a few clothes and books over so he could stay at night and help with his dad? Did he pack a suitcase with a few necessaries so he stay for a week and then someone else take over on weekends? Or did he pack all his possessions in his truck and move his bedroom suite over there?

As an example Hubby and I went on a 2 week vacation right after our son was married. We asked our son to babysit our dogs while we were gone because we didn't feel comfortable leaving them locked up alone in a house and we couldn't take them with us on a cruise ship. We were afraid of a house fire or tornado and them being trapped in the house and voiced those fears to our son. He packed up his play station, a few games and a few clothes and stayed here while we were gone. As soon as we were back he packed everything back up and went home. He lives only 5 blocks from us.

So Billy could have packed up his play station, guns and a few clothes and went to do his duty as a son for his father and a mother. That would in no way mean he and Angie was on the outs anymore than my son and his wife was on the outs.

But again we have no way of knowing how much of his possessions Billy moved to Freds.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Do you have a link stating Gary was "dropped off" or is it an opinion? Please post a link if you have one. TIA.

It was my opinion only. A theory as to why Kenny had to be killed and a theory as to why Chris was killed earlier than the rest including Gary. My opinion only, no link which i stated in my post in the form of JMO.

JMO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

It was my opinion only. A theory as to why Kenny had to be killed and a theory as to why Chris was killed earlier than the rest including Gary. My opinion only, no link which i stated in my post in the form of JMO.

JMO

Yes, I had seen your posts stating it was an opinion.