GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #60

[Ann99]

Nelsonville over in Athens County. I edited my previous post to correct it.

That's a good point - there could be other counties ( example Adams County, Ohio, almost any county especially along the Ohio River) where W's could have run into trouble with the law, including Kentucky. After all Billy (often?) went to the veterinary hospital KY, where he was arrested.
If anyone has time to look at a few counties in Kentucky.

 

[Ann99]

The statement in BW other acts evidence list about theft is hard to interpret the way it is written. It mentions stealing "gas, tractor trailers, shoplifting, etc." At first I thought it meant stealing semis (tractor trailers), but I would think the W4 would have been charged for auto theft if that were the case. As far as I can tell, there has never been any mention of auto theft charges for the W4. That is why I am thinking the reference to tractor trailer theft possibly means stealing things from the cargo of a semi, not stealing the semi itself.

Yes, that is how I interpreted it. Stealing from the trailers, stealing cargo. Once you steal the cargo, you need to have 'someone' sell it in some way that is not normal retail. Flea Markets are really big in Southern Ohio.

 

[IType]

She did not apply file an indigent application and it never states that her attorney is court appointed in the notes in her case. I would say someone was paying for her attorney but they must have stopped for the civil suit because she filed pro se. All of the 4 Wagners have an indigent application and it also states their attorneys are court appointed in the court notes..

I agree. I never thought it made sense that her home had no electricity and she had a limited income but yet had the money to pay for a private attorney. Now that she is representing herself in the civil case, in my opinion it solidifies that RN did not pay for her attorney in the criminal case (I think his name is Gerlach). My opinion

 

[Covert Operative]

I think possibly you are onto something very important.
My opinion.
I would think if there were serious trouble on UHR, someone, either CRSR or FR, or DR would call KR and he would respond quickly.
So I have the opinion KR was there on UHR for the Wagner/Rhoden confrontation within 10 minutes. Before police arrived.
Anyone know or remember from initial reports of 4/22 the response time for Police from their station to UHR?
I seem to remember 15 minutes or more. I could be wrong.
This could have been a clue to the W's that KR would be on the spot quickly if trouble was at the door and a phone call to KR was made. Again, this is my theory, not fact.

I feel like he may have been involved in some way, if after. If there was a problem like that a brother may also have a problem with the person. I never knew that the confrontation was at CRsr, I assume it was but I have never seen that said for certain. I believe the video that has been spoken of that was April 26th was LM speaking of the past weekend
(after the murders) that he had a problem with some of the deputies about JM truck, going to the properties etc. I could have missed a video though.

 

[Ann99]

I think possibly you are onto something very important.
My opinion.
I would think if there were serious trouble on UHR, someone, either CRSR or FR, or DR would call KR and he would respond quickly.
So I have the opinion KR was there on UHR for the Wagner/Rhoden confrontation within 10 minutes. Before police arrived.
Anyone know or remember from initial reports of 4/22 the response time for Police from their station to UHR?
I seem to remember 15 minutes or more. I could be wrong.
This could have been a clue to the W's that KR would be on the spot quickly if trouble was at the door and a phone call to KR was made. Again, this is my theory, not fact.

Rereading my post, I should have been more clear.

The Wagner/ Rhoden confrontation I referred to happened in the weeks before 4/22. It is not an absolute published/ linked fact. So is supposition.
My point was KR could get to UHR before police could get there.

 

[Covert Operative]

Rereading my post, I should have been more clear.

The Wagner/ Rhoden confrontation I referred to happened in the weeks before 4/22. It is not an absolute published/ linked fact. So is supposition.
My point was KR could get to UHR before police could get there.

It says on the incident from that morning TOA is 8:07. The call was at 7:51. I do agree they may would have called KR before LE though. KR lived about 10ish mins away.

 

[Ann99]

It says on the incident from that morning that LE arrived at 8:07. The call was at 7:51. I do agree they may would have called KR before LE though. KR lived about 10ish mins away.

Thanks! It may be important to remember when we wonder why KR?

 

[Covert Operative]

Thanks! It may be important to remember when we wonder why KR?

I have multiple thoughts as to why KR.

 

[Covert Operative]

I agree. I never thought it made sense that her home had no electricity and she had a limited income but yet had the money to pay for a private attorney. Now that she is representing herself in the civil case, in my opinion it solidifies that RN did not pay for her attorney in the criminal case (I think his name is Gerlach). My opinion

And that she could buy 50 acres for 52k in
Nov 2019 on paper/records, and sell it the same day for 70K. Not saying it was her money and it might have been something shady but it was done in her name in the records. I would post it but it includes seller and buyers names other than hers so I guess I can't. I believe that is the property she rented so maybe it was a rent to own type of thing. Maybe it was some other reason the seller could not make the profit in his name so he gave her some money to do it. Who knows.

 

[Betty P]

Rereading my post, I should have been more clear.

The Wagner/ Rhoden confrontation I referred to happened in the weeks before 4/22. It is not an absolute published/ linked fact. So is supposition.
My point was KR could get to UHR before police could get there.

Here's the video of Leonard Manley talking about it, a minute or so into the video

Father of Ohio shooting victim says killer knew Rhoden family

That's still a very interesting interview, so much Len Manley is trying to say, but can't.

 

[Covert Operative]

Here's the video of Leonard Manley talking about it, a minute or so into the video

Father of Ohio shooting victim says killer knew Rhoden family

Yes that was after the murders and seems he was talking about the Saturday after the murders when they had a big issue there over the truck etc. I think that some believe he is talking about the conflict that BW/Crsr had. I could be wrong but the date of that is April 25th so I believe he was talking about the Saturday after the murders when the homes were being guarded that they were snots.

 

[Covert Operative]

Thanks! It may be important to remember when we wonder why KR?

I think the gun threat incident with BW/CRsr did happen within the week before the murders.

 

[Ann99]

It looked like a long reddish scratch to me. If an inmate tried to tattoo Billy's face
the jail would go ballistic. The tattoo paraphernalia is contraband. Remember, Bad Billy's attorneys say he has complied with all the jail rules, apparently a model inmate.

Yes, intelligent too. Oops! Sorry.
Yup, intelligent too!

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes, intelligent too. Oops! Sorry.
Yup, intelligent too!

You forgot unique and speaks his mind like the tough old bird, remember?

 

[almond]

Here's the video of Leonard Manley talking about it, a minute or so into the video

Father of Ohio shooting victim says killer knew Rhoden family

That's still a very interesting interview, so much Len Manley is trying to say, but can't.

In the video, did I hear Leonard say that his daughter had a key? I think I did, which would mean that Chris didn't leave a key hidden outside?
Edit by me I listened again and now I heard him say she got the key.
Also, did we ever figure out why he mentioned the nursing home in Peebles? He also wouldn't answer the question "Was your daughter ever scared living here? (paraphrasing).
He sure wanted to say more.

 

[Gibbo214]

Yes, that is how I interpreted it. Stealing from the trailers, stealing cargo. Once you steal the cargo, you need to have 'someone' sell it in some way that is not normal retail. Flea Markets are really big in Southern Ohio.

It is easy to sell stolen stuff on Facebook, by selling some legit stuff then private messaging the stolen stuff at the 'right' price.

 

[Betty P]

Yes that was after the murders and he was talking about the Saturday after the murders when they had a big issue there over the truck etc. I think that some believe he is talking about the conflict that BW/Crsr had. I could be wrong but the date of that is April 25th so I believe he was talking about the Saturday after the murders when the homes were being guarded.

Maybe, but I'm not sure. There was something he said to the news media back then about a fight that happened the week or so before the murders. Should probably look back in our old archives here.

At the time, in discussion here, everyone assumed KR was involved. There was debate over who was fighting and what it was about. Some thought it had to do with drugs, others with the demolition derby fight, etc.

Tomorrow, I'll try to go back and pull some of those discussions. Somehow, we were all discussing that fight several weeks after the murders. The information came from some legit source or quote.

 

[Gibbo214]

In the video, did I hear Leonard say that his daughter had a key? I think I did, which would mean that Chris didn't leave a key hidden outside?
Edit by me I listened again and now I heard him say she got the key.
Also, did we ever figure out why he mentioned the nursing home in Peebles? He also wouldn't answer the question "Was your daughter ever scared living here? (paraphrasing).
He sure wanted to say more.

I think that I remember that Bobby Jo said 'I knowed where it was' (the key).

 

[Gibbo214]

Maybe, but I'm not sure. There was something he said to the news media back then about a fight that happened the week or so before the murders. Should probably look back in our old archives here.

At the time, in discussion here, everyone assumed KR was involved. There was debate over who was fighting and what it was about. Some thought it had to do with drugs, others with the demolition derby fight, etc.

Tomorrow, I'll try to go back and pull some of those discussions. Somehow, we were all discussing that fight several weeks after the murders. The information came from some legit source or quote.

I thought it was demolition derby fight. A teenager's thing.

 

[ColMustard]

Maybe the Rocky Boots caper involved a semi-truck load?

Edit: There was the Jones raid on UHR when the motorcade of people tried to storm UHR. Was just looking into it all the but can't find the date of the motorcade. April 12 was RM's fb threat, and maybe Jones' fb threat too.