GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #60

[Cool Cats]

The video you posted is not the video I am thinking of. The video I am thinking of was shot from farther back behind where BW is standing. You can see the officer patting him down, and you can see BW's face when he turns and talks to officer(s). I found a video on page 9 of media and timeline thread that looks like the one I am thinking of, but there's a lot of background noise and you can't hear what any people (LE or BW either one) are saying.

I will look further into it tomorrow when I have more time. In the video you post above, if you listen closely you can hear other people talking in the background, some of which I think is BW talking to other officer(s)--the volume of those words isn't as loud as when the officer cuffing him is speaking to BW or when BW directly speaks to the cuffing officer. I am not sure, though, and will check it further. After BW is marandized in your video, it sounds like to me BW says something else but much softer in volume. It also sounded to me like the audio cuts out once or twice in your video linked above, but not sure--maybe it was my audio player.

I could be totally wrong and, again, will check into it tomorrow. If I'm mistaken and can't find the video I'm thinking of, I'll correct myself. JMO

The only time that I have seen the "paying fine" statement was in the one article talking about Billy's "past brushes with the law" in reference to his arrest for receiving stolen goods.

I think even Billy is savvy enough to know that paying a fine for 8 murders - I doubt he knew they were considered aggravated murders - is utter nonsense.

I would be surprised if he was that stupid and delusional and arrogant to ask that at that time of his arrest for the homicides.

I do appreciate your investigating into it - finding out his exact words.

 

[Cool Cats]

We know she's ok now and hopefully recovering, but someone needs to be held accountable for allowing Jake to get custody and then for the family to take her to Alaska.

Anything could have happened once they took off. The Wags and LE knew they were suspects in the Rhoden murders, yet they were allowed to keep that girl in their home for TWO YEARS. Someone should lose their job for that. JMO What the heck was that judge thinking?

Remember when the judge gave Jake permanent custody there was no indication to the judge that Jake had just murdered his child's mother.

BCI did not investigate the Wagners in 2016 like they then did in 2017.

Took over a year for that first major search.

Too busy accusing the Manleys asking for multiple lie detector tests and putting GPS on JM's vehicle and having JM arrested. Waste of time.

I wonder why BCI did not seem to suspect the Wagners right away?

 

[molly1255]

I also doubt BW's attorney would want his "highly intelligent" client to take the stand. If it were to happen, though, and he did lose his cool it would certainly give the judge and jury a completely accurate picture of BW's true nature.

I'm still shaking my head over the "highly intelligent" comment last week. Especially when BW's attorney stated his client was ready to just hurry up and get on with this (paraphrasing). BW at time of arrest asked if he could just pay a fine or something. He's tried to file motions on his own behalf to hurry up his trial process. His own lawyer says he's in a hurry to get it over with.

Does BW honestly think he's going to get off with no more than a slap on the wrist? Does he just not get the gravity of the situation? Come on, buddy--your "privileged" upbringing and lack of ever having to face meaningful consequences for your actions is showing!! JMO

This is JMO, but a "highly intelligent" person would clearly understand the full gravity of the situation. This is also JMO, but I think BW's attorney was pandering to BW's ego (and perhaps temper?) when he made that statement and must have temporarily forgotten the initial defense argument about the 7th grade education. All JMO

 

[NotHammerToed]

Remember when the judge gave Jake permanent custody there was no indication to the judge that Jake had just murdered his child's mother.

BCI did not investigate the Wagners in 2016 like they then did in 2017.

Took over a year for that first major search.


I wonder why BCI did not seem to suspect the Wagners right away?

In the beginning the Wagners probably rehearsed alibi’s all day every day leading up to the events. They provided bogus leads for investigators to follow up on. The complexity of four different crime scenes, the huge list of agencies who all had a hand in helping out. Coordinating it all. That’s a ton of man hours.

the way I see it is is the Wagners schemes bought them a year of freedom. When the laser focus was directed at them the scheme imploded, its continuing to implode.

 

[molly1255]

I also doubt BW's attorney would want his "highly intelligent" client to take the stand. If it were to happen, though, and he did lose his cool it would certainly give the judge and jury a completely accurate picture of BW's true nature.

I'm still shaking my head over the "highly intelligent" comment last week. Especially when BW's attorney stated his client was ready to just hurry up and get on with this (paraphrasing). BW at time of arrest asked if he could just pay a fine or something. He's tried to file motions on his own behalf to hurry up his trial process. His own lawyer says he's in a hurry to get it over with.

Does BW honestly think he's going to get off with no more than a slap on the wrist? Does he just not get the gravity of the situation? Come on, buddy--your "privileged" upbringing and lack of ever having to face meaningful consequences for your actions is showing!! JMO

This is JMO, but a "highly intelligent" person would clearly understand the full gravity of the situation. This is also JMO, but I think BW's attorney was pandering to BW's ego (and perhaps temper?) when he made that statement and must have temporarily forgotten the initial defense argument about the 7th grade education. All JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

In the beginning the Wagners probably rehearsed alibi’s all day every day leading up to the events. They provided bogus leads for investigators to follow up on. The complexity of four different crime scenes, the huge list of agencies who all had a hand in helping out. Coordinating it all. That’s a ton of man hours.

the way I see it is is the Wagners schemes bought them a year of freedom. When the laser focus was directed at them the scheme imploded, its continuing to implode.

$1,000,000 question.

What was the probable cause to get the search warrants to search those 3 places in May 2017, and what was the probable cause to get the surveillance started to record their phones and conversations?

Including why search and record at FW's?

We know something changed in the investigation and I wonder if we will ever find out what.

 

[IType]

This is JMO, but a "highly intelligent" person would clearly understand the full gravity of the situation. This is also JMO, but I think BW's attorney was pandering to BW's ego (and perhaps temper?) when he made that statement and must have temporarily forgotten the initial defense argument about the 7th grade education. All JMO

I was being sarcastic, hence the eye roll emoji. I agree though that BW's attorney was appeasing his client.

 

[Betty P]

Remember when the judge gave Jake permanent custody there was no indication to the judge that Jake had just murdered his child's mother.

BCI did not investigate the Wagners in 2016 like they then did in 2017.

Took over a year for that first major search.

Too busy accusing the Manleys asking for multiple lie detector tests and putting GPS on JM's vehicle and having JM arrested. Waste of time.

I wonder why BCI did not seem to suspect the Wagners right away?

There was an indication for LE, though, and a good judge would have checked with them on that, particularly after the murders. As a judge for domestic relations court, he should have known that there might be a possibility of domestic violence in this situation.

 

[Chelly]

So what's going on?

Are Billy's attorneys having his scorpion tattoo removed so the prosecutors cannot get a photo?

From reading over the posts on here about it, this sounds like what is going on. However, there are clear photos of it already out there so why bother?
Or maybe his attorneys want it off for his trial?

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So, tattoo removal. Wouldn't that be akin to destroying evidence in this case?

 

[Betty P]

$1,000,000 question.

What was the probable cause to get the search warrants to search those 3 places in May 2017, and what was the probable cause to get the surveillance started to record their phones and conversations?

Including why search and record at FW's?

We know something changed in the investigation and I wonder if we will ever find out what.

Common sense. Past instances of domestic violence, battles over custody, etc. A quick interview with any of the friends or surviving family members of the victims should have been sufficient. Add in the fact that all were in the area the night of the murders. Also look back on the LE incident report of Billy Wagner pulling a gun on Chris Sr. That should have been enough for SW in 2016.

But, yeah, they were Wagners. Above the law. Close to the cross.

In 2017, it was probably something said by the Wags on cell phone, or other surveillance that finally made the light bulb turn on at BCI.

 

[Cool Cats]

So, tattoo removal. Wouldn't that be akin to destroying evidence in this case?

I don't know if his tattoo is being removed. I was just looking over the posts. Seems his tattoo is being covered up and it could be due to removal.

 

[Covert Operative]

So what's going on?

Are Billy's attorneys having his scorpion tattoo removed so the prosecutors cannot get a photo?

From reading over the posts on here about it, this sounds like what is going on. However, there are clear photos of it already out there so why bother?
Or maybe his attorneys want it off for his trial?

Does tattoo removal really work?

Yes, it does work. And we’ll explain exactly how it works. Laser tattoo removal works by targeting the ink particles deep within your skin. Your tattoo ink is actually a semi-solid form in your skin. The laser penetrates through your skin down to the ink particles and breaks those ink particles apart into solid forms.
Reference: www.freshstartlaserclinic.com/laser-tattoo-removal-overview/

It seems that his tattoo was showing, it's hard to tell. It looks like his wrist was wrapped a some of his fingers.

 

[Cool Cats]

Common sense. Past instances of domestic violence, battles over custody, etc. A quick interview with any of the friends or surviving family members of the victims should have been sufficient. Add in the fact that all were in the area the night of the murders. Also look back on the LE incident report of Billy Wagner pulling a gun on Chris Sr. That should have been enough for SW in 2016.

But, yeah, they were Wagners. Above the law. Close to the cross.

In 2017, it was probably something said by the Wags on cell phone, or other surveillance that finally made the light bulb turn on at BCI.

You mention interviews. Maybe the Wagners got their lies mixed up in their interviews shortly before the searches. Perhaps their interviews helped give the probable cause for the search warrants.

April 13, 2017---Jake audio interview
May 3, 2017---Jake and Angie audio interview
May 8, 2017---GW3 audio interview

May 12, 2017---LE conducts searches on the Peterson Road property and Flying W Farms and a car lot where the Wagner's were storing trailers.

 

[Betty P]

You mention interviews. Maybe the Wagners got their lies mixed up in their interviews shortly before the searches. Perhaps their interviews helped give the probable cause for the search warrants.

April 13, 2017---Jake audio interview
May 3, 2017---Jake and Angie audio interview
May 8, 2017---GW3 audio interview

May 12, 2017---LE conducts searches on the Peterson Road property and Flying W Farms and a car lot where the Wagner's were storing trailers.

Something happened around the time they tried going after James Manley again, with the GPS tracker on his truck. Somewhere along the line, they probably figured out that Jake Wagner hacked Manley's Facebook messaging app or texts/cell phone to make it appear he had communicated with Jake just before the murders. D'oh!

JMO

 

[Covert Operative]

Common sense. Past instances of domestic violence, battles over custody, etc. A quick interview with any of the friends or surviving family members of the victims should have been sufficient. Add in the fact that all were in the area the night of the murders. Also look back on the LE incident report of Billy Wagner pulling a gun on Chris Sr. That should have been enough for SW in 2016.

But, yeah, they were Wagners. Above the law. Close to the cross.

In 2017, it was probably something said by the Wags on cell phone, or other surveillance that finally made the light bulb turn on at BCI.

If you are not allowed to "get" a Tattoo while in prision, What makes anyone think that prison authorities would allow the removal of a Tattoo?

I do not think he would be allowed to remove legitimately but possibly try to alter it somehow with some jail ink maybe? I do not think he did, it seems that it is his wrist and some fingers that are bandaged but the tattoo may be visible.

 

[Cool Cats]

Something happened around the time they tried going after James Manley again, with the GPS tracker on his truck. Somewhere along the line, they probably figured out that Jake Wagner hacked Manley's Facebook messaging app or texts/cell phone to make it appear he had communicated with Jake just before the murders. D'oh!

JMO

I have always been skeptical of the Wagners trying to frame JM, just because I do not think there is a convincing way to do it.

I mean really the Wagners are dumb amature criminals and not "sophisticated" murderers the killers were referred to as, in the beginning.

The evidence shows how clueless they were.

I do think it is possible the Wagners told lies about the Manleys during the three 2016 interviews and that, because of the text message thing, Jake might have tried to hack Jame's phone.

You know how siblings fight and get jealous etc... I think it's possible people gossiped to BCI about petty family feuds etc...

Making BJM and JM look like they had problems with Dana and Chris and that they may have given a killer information about Dana and Chris.

LM said BJM was taken advantage of.

Jake would know this.

...2 Cents...

 

[Fat Old Man]

The reason Jake will not be in courtroom today if that is what happens is there will be a witness testify maybe EW and they do not want him intimidated her or whoever so the court will have Jake on close circuit tv, JMO

Maybe the reason for the new TV, is that EW was on it testifying? I, am sure she is in a hidden location, and could be interviewed somewhere besides Pike County.

 

[Dudly]

Common sense. Past instances of domestic violence, battles over custody, etc. A quick interview with any of the friends or surviving family members of the victims should have been sufficient. Add in the fact that all were in the area the night of the murders. Also look back on the LE incident report of Billy Wagner pulling a gun on Chris Sr. That should have been enough for SW in 2016.

But, yeah, they were Wagners. Above the law. Close to the cross.

In 2017, it was probably something said by the Wags on cell phone, or other surveillance that finally made the light bulb turn on at BCI.

Have you seen the LE incident report where GWIII pulled a gun on CRsr? I don’t recall ever seeing that.

 

[Everything22]

So what's going on?

Are Billy's attorneys having his scorpion tattoo removed so the prosecutors cannot get a photo?

From reading over the posts on here about it, this sounds like what is going on. However, there are clear photos of it already out there so why bother?
Or maybe his attorneys want it off for his trial?

Does tattoo removal really work?

Yes, it does work. And we’ll explain exactly how it works. Laser tattoo removal works by targeting the ink particles deep within your skin. Your tattoo ink is actually a semi-solid form in your skin. The laser penetrates through your skin down to the ink particles and breaks those ink particles apart into solid forms.
Reference: www.freshstartlaserclinic.com/laser-tattoo-removal-overview/

Ugh! I hope they cannot have it removed.

 

[Everything22]

I do not think he would be allowed to remove legitimately but possibly try to alter it somehow with some jail ink maybe? I do not think he did, it seems that it is his wrist and some fingers that are bandaged but the tattoo may be visible.

His tattoo looks "mangled" at best. It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't get someone inside to try to burn it off or do it himself.