GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #62

[almond]

That's my question. Please go back and read the ends of Discovery 4-28-2021. Attorneys received Discovery "after" it was provided to the "defendants," dates recorded in the last paragraphs of the Discovery for all four defendants. If you need to, go back and compare to previous Discovery documents. Not the norm at all. MOO.

The same thing caught my eye but I don't know what it means. The lawyers received a copy on April 28 and the defendant was provided the discovery on April 4th. Sure seems like defendants got the info much earlier. Maybe it goes to the defendant first and then a copy goes to their lawyers?

 

[almond]

That's my question. Please go back and read the ends of Discovery 4-28-2021. Attorneys received Discovery "after" it was provided to the "defendants," dates recorded in the last paragraphs of the Discovery for all four defendants. If you need to, go back and compare to previous Discovery documents. Not the norm at all. MOO.[/QUOT

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[Ann99]

That's my question. Please go back and read the ends of Discovery 4-28-2021. Attorneys received Discovery "after" it was provided to the "defendants," dates recorded in the last paragraphs of the Discovery for all four defendants. If you need to, go back and compare to previous Discovery documents. Not the norm at all. MOO.

I think you are onto something here.
I am working with Jake's info to try to figure it out.
My theory, it makes some sense to me, although confusing.
Short version. Presenting discovery got the plea deal moving.
A successful strategy by AC.
MOO

From the document titled States Supplemental Discovery

Jake's Certificate of Service:

"..A copy of the foregoing Document was emailed Meyers and Mooney, Attorneys for Defendant, on 2/28/21"

"The discovery herein identified was presented to Defendant on 3/27/21"

Canepa stated discovery was prepared on 3/25/21
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Negotiations for Jake's plea deal began on or near 4/12/21
I assume these negotiations were incentivized by discovery presented on 3/27/21
Plea deal announced on 4/22/21

To me, this means the Attorneys for Jake (maybe Jake too) actually saw all the discovery 'herein identified' on the date of 3/27/21
The Attorneys for Defendant JW had to have seen proof of the massive evidence held by the State before advising Jake on the plea deal. Right?

The copy of the document emailed on 4/28/21 was a formality.

The same strategy can follow for the other defendants.

Again, I am just trying to make sense of the words, dates and timeline. MOO

 

[ohioexpat63]

I can agree with your points of view as well, Ann99. Jake probably got his first, too, because he was up to bat first. In fact, I can agree with everyone's position on what may have happened.p

The lawyers could have been talking about a possible plea for weeks and finally entered the official negotiating on the 12th, when Jake started admitting to his and his family's ignorance. He started providing the details starting the 12th onward. MOO

Just my guess.

 

[Cool Cats]

That's not what it says. It clearly makes distinctions between it was "provided" to defendants and when the attorneys received it. And they are very different.. Just saying.

I was looking at a different page. Looking at this I am sure what it means is this:

The Discovery herein identified was provided April 4th to the defendant (figure of speech it means the attorneys share it with George)

This is referring to the Real Evidence they have such as:

Inmate Info, Interviews, subpoenas, inmate interviews, EMS reports, Transcripts, Jail Calls, Facebook information, Facebook URL, Angela's phone information, Bank Documents, Bank Statements, lots of Bank Information from various various Banks, Farm Credit, Merchants, Aerial Images, ATF Reports, Lab Reports, Ballistic Reports etc...

Lots of information from FWF's computer and laptop including Google Searches, Web Histories, Web Bookmarks, Rhode searches, PDF Documents, Screen Shots, Screen Captures, Identifiers, Word Documents, Files etc....

This is to Certify that a copy of the foregoing Document was e-mailed to the Defense Attorneys on April 28th

This means that on April 28th the Prosecution e-mailed the Discovery Document to the Defense - this is the same Document we are reading that lists the Evidence they have.

Discovery Document - is what we all see and just lists what Evidence they have.
Discovery Evidence - is the actual Real Evidence they have.

 

[Ann99]

I was looking at a different page. Looking at this I am sure what it means is this:

The Discovery herein identified was provided April 4th to the defendant (figure of speech it means the attorneys share it with George)

This is referring to the Real Evidence they have such as:

Inmate Info, Interviews, subpoenas, inmate interviews, EMS reports, Transcripts, Jail Calls, Facebook information, Facebook URL, Angela's phone information, Bank Documents, Bank Statements, lots of Bank Information from various various Banks, Farm Credit, Merchants, Aerial Images, ATF Reports, Lab Reports, Ballistic Reports etc...

Lots of information from FWF's computer and laptop including Google Searches, Web Histories, Web Bookmarks, Rhode searches, PDF Documents, Screen Shots, Screen Captures, Identifiers, Word Documents, Files etc....

This is to Certify that a copy of the foregoing Document was e-mailed to the Defense Attorneys on April 28th

This means that on April 28th the Prosecution e-mailed the Discovery Document to the Defense - this is the same Document we are reading that lists the Evidence they have.

Discovery Document - is what we all see and just lists what Evidence they have.
Discovery Evidence - is the actual Real Evidence they have.

TY!
That's a lot of evidence!
So do we now assume all attorneys and all Defendants have seen this massive amount of evidence the State has compiled to prove States case against the Wagners?

 

[red_umbrella]

This whole case is just crazy. If the true motive was custody, now those poor children won't go to either family. Breaks my heart for the kids. I have grown up in Piketon and this massacre shook this town (obviously). Nothing feels the same.

 

[Betty P]

TY!
That's a lot of evidence!
So do we now assume all attorneys and all Defendants have seen this massive amount of evidence the State has compiled to prove States case against the Wagners?

As of last July, there was a total of 3 terabytes of evidence. That's a lot, so much they had to delay the hearings for several months just so defense attorneys could read through it.
With Jake's confession and revealing more evidence, there's probably much more now.

AG withdraws from Rhoden case, new details about Wagner-Rhoden relationship revealed

The state has always had a strong case, with a great deal of evidence. Not everyone realized that unless they followed the hearings. The gag order has kept a lid on much of what they do have. A lack of national news coverage leading up to the expected trial has also been a hindrance.

 

[Betty P]

This whole case is just crazy. If the true motive was custody, now those poor children won't go to either family. Breaks my heart for the kids. I have grown up in Piketon and this massacre shook this town (obviously). Nothing feels the same.

Yes, its a terrible tragedy. It was a horrible, life changing event for those children, who will never grow up with their parents.

That said, the children are being raised by family members.

Pike County massacre: Who will get custody of 5-year-old?

 

[altojack]

This whole case is just crazy. If the true motive was custody, now those poor children won't go to either family. Breaks my heart for the kids. I have grown up in Piketon and this massacre shook this town (obviously). Nothing feels the same.

Welcome red umbrella. I feel heart broken too for the children and the remaining family members. I can well understand how the town took the news. It must have been worrying to many not knowing who did it.

Even now with the Ws locked up, I imagine the town were shocked to the core when news broke that they had been arrested.

If the motive is truly just custody, I can't fathom what or who made the decision to massacre an entire family. Horrendous family, can't wait to hear the sound of the clink as the keys get turned.

 

[red_umbrella]

Yes, its a terrible tragedy. It was a horrible, life changing event for those children, who will never grow up with their parents.

That said, the children are being raised by family members.

Pike County massacre: Who will get custody of 5-year-old?

That is a positive way to look at this. Still, I just feel like this was so senseless, if the whole point was custody...

 

[red_umbrella]

Welcome red umbrella. I feel heart broken too for the children and the remaining family members. I can well understand how the town took the news. It must have been worrying to many not knowing who did it.

Even now with the Ws locked up, I imagine the town were shocked to the core when news broke that they had been arrested.

If the motive is truly just custody, I can't fathom what or who made the decision to massacre an entire family. Horrendous family, can't wait to hear the sound of the clink as the keys get turned.

Yes in the beginning everyone was kind of panicking, the rumors that the cartel was even involved, or there was a murderer on the loose just killing an entire family. People wondered if more were going to be killed or not. Really, I feel like people are just now beginning to see the "light at the end of the tunnel" so to speak on the case/trials... Obviously the family will be forever affected.

I agree, that is what I am having trouble understanding is who/how on Earth anyone thought wiping out this poor family would solve anything as far as custody goes...

 

[Betty P]

That is a positive way to look at this. Still, I just feel like this was so senseless, if the whole point was custody...

Absolutely, its the only positive outcome. It's bad enough when children lose their parents at such an early age. Its even worse when they lose them is such a terrible, violent way that will follow them through their own lives.

 

[Everything22]

I was looking at a different page. Looking at this I am sure what it means is this:

The Discovery herein identified was provided April 4th to the defendant (figure of speech it means the attorneys share it with George)

This is referring to the Real Evidence they have such as:

Inmate Info, Interviews, subpoenas, inmate interviews, EMS reports, Transcripts, Jail Calls, Facebook information, Facebook URL, Angela's phone information, Bank Documents, Bank Statements, lots of Bank Information from various various Banks, Farm Credit, Merchants, Aerial Images, ATF Reports, Lab Reports, Ballistic Reports etc...

Lots of information from FWF's computer and laptop including Google Searches, Web Histories, Web Bookmarks, Rhode searches, PDF Documents, Screen Shots, Screen Captures, Identifiers, Word Documents, Files etc....

This is to Certify that a copy of the foregoing Document was e-mailed to the Defense Attorneys on April 28th

This means that on April 28th the Prosecution e-mailed the Discovery Document to the Defense - this is the same Document we are reading that lists the Evidence they have.

Discovery Document - is what we all see and just lists what Evidence they have.
Discovery Evidence - is the actual Real Evidence they have.

I'll agree to disagree.

 

[Cool Cats]

TY!
That's a lot of evidence!
So do we now assume all attorneys and all defendants have seen this massive amount of evidence the State has compiled to prove States case against the Wagners?

What I posted was just a small amount of evidence from one Discovery Document, there is tons more, pretty impressive.

There were posts the other day
saying the defense was complaining yet again they didn't get something so that has been going on for 2 1/2 yrs.

But let's face it, Jake's attorneys saw the writing on the wall from all the evidence presented so far.

And the other attorneys can see what Jake's attorneys see. Now they have to convince their Wagner clients that they can't win at trial with Jake testifying.

I still see George holding out and not wanting to admit any guilt. If there is a trial it will be him, possibly Billy.

But Angela already knows she is done. I think she cracked up and is getting medication and mental treatment somewhere. It would explain not seeing her for a year and her medical travel motion.

As a controlling personality Angie is the worst of the worst, even controlling from jail.

No one can go from being controlling on a psychotic level to being completely controlled in the most extreme environment without suffering some type of mental breakdown.

One extreme to another.

... Point of view ...

 

[Cool Cats]

I'll agree to disagree.

Not realistic that George gets sent a gigantic pile of evidence to his jail cell or has his own email set up in the Ross County jail to receive an incoming Discovery Document.

Would never happen.

Everything goes to his attorneys who share everything with him.

I would like to see your point of view on it but I agree that we can disagree and leave it at that.

 

[Betty P]

I still see George holding out and not wanting to admit any guilt. If there is a trial it will be him, possibly Billy.

Both of them are equally culpable, equally guilty of killing the Rhoden family and Hannah Gilley. They're guilty of all 21 charges filed against them.

Nevertheless, some of the Wagners may keep trying to rig the system in their favor. They'll keep appealing.

It's not because they're innocent or weren't involved. It's because they're toxic narcissists who think they're entitled to do as they please. They know they killed all of those 8 innocent people, but they probably still feel like it was the "right thing to do". For their own twisted reasons, they think everyone should understand and agree with them.

They're narcissistic psychopaths. They will never admit that what they did was wrong.

 

[ohioexpat63]

They're narcissistic psychopaths. They will never admit that what they did was wrong.

Any thoughts on the psychology of it all? Is it something passed down thru generations or did it just develop as they seem to have their free passes for prior incidents?

It baffles me, really, that all 4 were ok with murdering 8 people. Not one had the decency to call timeout.

None of these 4 will garner an ounce of sympathy from me. I hope the guilt eats them alive and consumes their every thought. But, they are most likely depressed, angry, sad, etc... because they are finally being held accountable for being screwups. What a legacy Billy!!! MOO JMO

 

[Everything22]

Both of them are equally culpable, equally guilty of killing the Rhoden family and Hannah Gilley. They're guilty of all 21 charges filed against them.

Nevertheless, some of the Wagners may keep trying to rig the system in their favor. They'll keep appealing.

It's not because they're innocent or weren't involved. It's because they're toxic narcissists who think they're entitled to do as they please. They know they killed all of those 8 innocent people, but they probably still feel like it was the "right thing to do". For their own twisted reasons, they think everyone should understand and agree with them.

They're narcissistic psychopaths. They will never admit that what they did was wrong.

I so agree.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

MOO (?) These murders were about way more than just custody. MOO (?)