GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #63

[Dudly]

Still following. Read that GW4 who appeared in Pike County Common Pleas Court on Monday, will have a trial in front of Judge Randy Deering on April 4, 2022. Fixin to put that on my calendar. Very interested in what that trial might shake out.

I know it's old news but here's the link for anyone who wants it:
George Wagner IV will stand trial on April 4 in Rhoden family killings

Good to see you posting! Hope your problems have all worked out....

 

[Piffcat]

The Walther 1911-22 is a gun styled to look like the military m-1911a1 (originally made by Colt) in 45ACP caliber. The 1911-22 is in .22 caliber and will only fire cartridges that are the 22 long rifle length. The weapon is made to cash in on the image of the Colt -1911a1 as a military pistol but in a much gentler (and less lethal) caliber. It comes with a threaded barrel for a silencer. The gun weighs 36 ounce and is considered heavy even for adults. The cost at Gander is 325$.

I believe they used subsonic ammo for the 22. Unfortunately these subsonic bullets are extremely damaging to a victim after impact. They enter but cant get out. Subsonic ammo has less powder and the shot doesnt break the sound barrier. It would have been stealthier then the 40 most likelt

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I have always felt AW was safely at home or in a vehicle with the kids. She was to get custody if the others did not make it so they would not want her in harms way. However, I could see her entering one or more of the crime scenes once it was secure.

I can see her pulling the trigger. No way she stayed home. Who would tell them all how to do it if she wasn't there?

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Still following. Read that GW4 who appeared in Pike County Common Pleas Court on Monday, will have a trial in front of Judge Randy Deering on April 4, 2022. Fixin to put that on my calendar. Very interested in what that trial might shake out.

I know it's old news but here's the link for anyone who wants it:
George Wagner IV will stand trial on April 4 in Rhoden family killings

Good to see you RSD.

 

[Impurectry]

Canepa said in her closing statement at the Bond Hearing that a reason for the fake custody papers - drawn up a couple weeks before they went to UHR - was because the Wagners knew what the Rhodens were capable of.

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Videos of George Wagner bond hearing

They had guns and might fight back, so if something happened to Angela's "boys"
she would get full custody of their kids.

"Call me mom" Angela has now lost her "favorite" son of whom she egged on. Monitoring Hanna's Facebook she showed Jake Hanna's Facebook Message saying she would never sign papers they would have to kill her first.

Soon after, they went on the hunt for murder supplies and in just 4 month's time slunk like cowards into their homes under cover of darkness.

Court shines the light, see link:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtA0plDWwAcIJjC?format=jpg&name=large

I was agreeing with you on your original post that AW was at home with the kids. I think it was planned that way and that is why the custody papers were signs in the case of GW4 & JW's death.
Again that's just what I am thinking happened.

 

[Cool Cats]

I was agreeing with you on your original post that AW was at home with the kids. I think it was planned that way and that is why the custody papers were signs in the case of GW4 & JW's death.
Again that's just what I am thinking happened.

And yes I agree it was planned that way. Someone had to remain alive in the event of a shoot out. They didn't want Angela in the line of fire and kept her safely out of the way.

These Wagers were scared of the Rhodens. So scared that they didn't even wait to get inside Chris's house to start shooting. He probably opened the door - and terrified of him - at least one of them took a shot from the porch. 9 shots because they were so afraid he'd fight back.

 

[Cool Cats]

I can see her pulling the trigger. No way she stayed home. Who would tell them all how to do it if she wasn't there?

JMO

"Can I just pay a fine?" Billy who else! After all he tells his lawyers how he wants them to do his defense. I can't see him taking orders from anyone.

 

[Dudly]

And yes I agree it was planned that way. Someone had to remain alive in the event of a shoot out. They didn't want Angela in the line of fire and kept her safely out of the way.

These Wagers were scared of the Rhodens. So scared that they didn't even wait to get inside Chris's house to start shooting. He probably opened the door - and terrified of him - at least one of them took a shot from the porch. 9 shots because they were so afraid he'd fight back.

Why do you think they did not wait to get in CRsr’s house to start shooting?

 

[Cool Cats]

Why do you think they did not wait to get in CRsr’s house to start shooting?

Casing(s) on porch and bullet In the dirt under house.

I don't believe they shot directly at the floor in the house. I think it went through the outside skirting.

Scheiderer testimony bond hearing

 

[Cool Cats]

SKIRTING ON CHRIS SR'S MOBILE HOME


Investigators returning vehicles belonging to Rhoden family

 

[Johnny B Bad]

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I need to think about this. Not larger than George's Glock shot in the same home as the SKS .30

All the victims had a open casket funeral except HG, (IF) GR was shot with the SKS riffle and the barrel press against his head there couldn’t have been a open casket funeral, I own a SKS and have deer hunted with it, it’s a military riffle, the bullet is designed for damage on the way out of a person after they was shot,
My theory is that two shooters went in on big Chris first killed him and covered his body up with a sheet or blanket after that they waited on the next victim to walk in Big Chris mobile home, if you think about it, the SKS shoots high velocity rounds, it would be almost impossible to build a suppresser for that riffle, not saying you can’t but I doubt it would work very good.

 

[Ann99]

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All the victims had a open casket funeral except HG, (IF) GR was shot with the SKS riffle and the barrel press against his head there couldn’t have been a open casket funeral, I own a SKS and have deer hunted with it, it’s a military riffle, the bullet is designed for damage on the way out of a person after they was shot,
My theory is that two shooters went in on big Chris first killed him and covered his body up with a sheet or blanket after that they waited on the next victim to walk in Big Chris mobile home, if you think about it, the SKS shoots high velocity rounds, it would be almost impossible to build a suppresser for that riffle, not saying you can’t but I doubt it would work very good.

Agree with your thoughts about the SKS, the suppressors and your theory about GR.
In doing some reading I found an SKS is very difficult to use in close quarters especially as in a trailer. Would Billy have brought the SKS along for another purpose beyond killing?
Makes me wonder what was the purpose of the SKS that night?
Fire power outside?
Blasting open the safe?
Or just Billy being Billy and having the biggest baddest gun? ( Meaning the high velocity) Intimidation?

 

[Ann99]

A BB gun could probably shoot through an interior door if it was a standard mobile home interior door. They are like two pieces of paneling with some cardboard for a spacer in between...

TY.
MO
Didn't know they were that thin.
If that is the bedroom where CRsr safe was, I had it in my mind that CRsr would have reinforced it in some way as he was a carpenter.
But that was an assumption, probably incorrect.
So, any of the 3 guns could have done that damage, injuring CRsr on the other side.

 

[Ann99]

I believe they used subsonic ammo for the 22. Unfortunately these subsonic bullets are extremely damaging to a victim after impact. They enter but cant get out. Subsonic ammo has less powder and the shot doesnt break the sound barrier. It would have been stealthier then the 40 most likelt

As you say, it would have been stealthier. Especially with a suppressor?
MO
I am beginning to think the 22 may have been used more than the 5 times Jake spoke of.
I firmly believe Jake would have fired at CRsr after CRsr was already gone, using the Boondock Saints Gun for symbolism.

 

[Dudly]

Casing(s) on porch and bullet In the dirt under house.

I don't believe they shot directly at the floor in the house. I think it went through the outside skirting.

Scheiderer testimony bond hearing

The casing on the porch could have been there previous to that night. I have not seen what caliber it was.
It could have been dropped on the way out.
Without knowing the mayhem that went on inside, a bullet through the floor could have happened easily. They could have fought over a gun. Someone may have been shot at or shot through after they were on the floor. Why would they shoot low enough to hit the skirting from outside? That would be shooting under anyone inside.

 

[Ann99]

The casing on the porch could have been there previous to that night. I have not seen what caliber it was.
It could have been dropped on the way out.
Without knowing the mayhem that went on inside, a bullet through the floor could have happened easily. They could have fought over a gun. Someone may have been shot at or shot through after they were on the floor. Why would they shoot low enough to hit the skirting from outside? That would be shooting under anyone inside.

MO.
I agree. BJM never said she saw anything amiss, any holes etc. in the porch area or front of CRsr place. Granted she may have missed it, but she had to have looked for the key, so I think she would have seen something obvious. MO.
Also in the days after, the porch and decking were not treated as being special or needing protection. Same with the front skirting of the trailer.
By then many had noticed the marks on the front window ( helicopter views, photos) and questioned were they bullet holes? Never figured that out. No answer.
I think if anything, W's used that slingshot type thing to pelt the house and maybe cause CRsr to let the dogs out, or simply open the front door to see what the noise was. The slingshot would have made noise but not loud or hard enough to be alarming. Maybe another W then entered from the back of the trailer or side, thru an open window. All MO.

 

[Ann99]

And yes I agree it was planned that way. Someone had to remain alive in the event of a shoot out. They didn't want Angela in the line of fire and kept her safely out of the way.

These Wagers were scared of the Rhodens. So scared that they didn't even wait to get inside Chris's house to start shooting. He probably opened the door - and terrified of him - at least one of them took a shot from the porch. 9 shots because they were so afraid he'd fight back.

MO.
Wagners were scared of the Rhodens, and that would definitely have included being scared of FR, living right next door. FR was a force to be reckoned with.
Although FR was a little distance away, Trees, brush and the empty truck Trailer in between, firing outside CRsr would have been very risky. Noise carries, the hunting dogs outside would have barked, the roosters, etc.
FR could have been over there to CRsr with gun very quickly.
So, Did W 's fire outside CRsr?
If so does that mean FR and HHG had already been shot?

 

[Cool Cats]

The casing on the porch could have been there previous to that night. I have not seen what caliber it was.
It could have been dropped on the way out.
Without knowing the mayhem that went on inside, a bullet through the floor could have happened easily. They could have fought over a gun. Someone may have been shot at or shot through after they were on the floor. Why would they shoot low enough to hit the skirting from outside? That would be shooting under anyone inside.

According to Scheiderer the casing on porch and bullet under house were from a Wagner gun that night. There was also some in living room.

Casings fly out when you shoot and I don't think they carried them in their hands so even dropping one gives me doubts. I think Billy fired from the porch or after he just stepped into the house and his casing flew to the porch through the open door.

As for bullet, @Johnny B Bad educated me on how powerful the SKS is so now I believe Billy shot it through the living room floor. 9 shots terrible sloppy shooter, shooting into the floor from him makes sense.

Jake = .22

George = .40 Block

Billy = SKS it’s a military riffle, the bullet is designed for damage on the way out of a person after they are shot, according to Johnny.

 

[Dudly]

According to Scheiderer the casing on porch and bullet under house were from a Wagner gun that night. There was also some in living room.

Casings fly out when you shoot and I don't think they carried them in their hands so even dropping one gives me doubts. I think Billy fired from the porch or after he just stepped into the house and his casing flew to the porch through the open door.

As for bullet, @Johnny B Bad educated me on how powerful the SKS is so now I believe Billy shot it through the living room floor. 9 shots terrible sloppy shooter, shooting into the floor from him makes sense.

Jake = .22

George = .40 Block

Billy = SKS it’s a military riffle, the bullet is designed for damage on the way out of a person after they are shot, according to Johnny.

They had brass catchers so there shouldn’t have been any casings inside, either. One could have fallen out of the brass catcher on the porch. It wouldn’t have to be hand held to be dropped on the porch.
From all evidence released by LE or mentioned in court, nothing has indicated that anyone shot a gun outside of a house that night. Other than JW likely to have shot the.22, no one knows whom shot which guns. JW could have shot all three. Two or three or even four may have shot all three guns. One or two of them may not have shot any guns. That info has not been released.

 

[Cool Cats]

MO.
Wagners were scared of the Rhodens, and that would definitely have included being scared of FR, living right next door. FR was a force to be reckoned with.
Although FR was a little distance away, Trees, brush and the empty truck Trailer in between, firing outside CRsr would have been very risky. Noise carries, the hunting dogs outside would have barked, the roosters, etc.
FR could have been over there to CRsr with gun very quickly.
So, Did W 's fire outside CRsr?
If so does that mean FR and HHG had already been shot?

There was a bullet casing(s) on the porch. Came from the Wagners. Chris had flood lights so bright you could see into the cars that drove up.

Relatives of murdered Ohio family believe two properties had security cameras

"Manley told the Cincinnati Enquirer he believes Christopher Rhoden Sr. kept his security cameras on all the time."

Makes sense to me that Chris saw them coming, opened the door and Billy started shooting probably the torso shot. Or a shooter stepped in and shot and the casing flew on the porch.

This is only what I gather happened. Only my point of view. Dudley said they could have dropped a casing. That's true but with all the gun shots I think Billy fired right away and the casing flew on the porch.

We don't know who was killed first. Jake could have killed the 5 first.

But then again Chris showed more composition but really we don't know why.

As you say, all speculation.