GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #64

[Covert Operative]

AW? Don't you mean RN?

Yes I do mean RN. Will edit.

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes I do mean RN. Will edit.

I have to wonder if Canepa asked outright, to CN, RN and Jake, if FW knew anything.
No charges filed on her so she either knows nothing or they will charge her later.

Actually it is not a crime to be told about a crime after the fact.
Like if the Wagners told her what they did that night.

What is a crime is if she helped them after the fact. This would be if she knew evidence was buried on her property.

If she knew evidence was buried on her property but said nothing that is a crime and expect an arrest. 3rd degree felony.

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Accessory after the fact -

It's called Obstructing Justice. The Wagner's are all charged with it.

In order to be an accessory after the fact (Obstructing Justice) you have to have known that another person has committed a felony crime, and you then helped that person in some way after the crime was committed, with the intention of helping them escape arrest and/or criminal punishment for the crime.

If the crime committed by the person aided (Jake) is aggravated murder, murder or a felony of the 1st or 2nd degree, obstructing justice will be charged as a 3rd degree felony.

Third-degree felonies carry penalties of one to five years in prison in Ohio.

 

[Ann99]

I doubt that either have told all they know. What would be their incentive to tell more than they are asked. CN probably told the truth to what was asked of him. RN (edit)
was backed into the corner about the documents so she had to come clean on those. Unless the state knew that she knew more stuff I do not see any incentive for her to volunteer any more information.

CO, CC,
MO
I believe each of them (all of them) would have been asked and asked all kinds of questions.
No stone left unturned. Including questions like
" Is there anything else you should tell us"?
None of them were left to simply answer a single question or two or to only volunteer information.
I think AC had some leverage in this situation.
She would not have missed this opportunity to get wide ranging info.
JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

CO, CC,
MO
I believe each of them (all of them) would have been asked and asked all kinds of questions.
No stone left unturned. Including questions like
" Is there anything else you should tell us"?
None of them were left to simply answer a single question or two or to only volunteer information.
I think AC had some leverage in this situation.
She would not have missed this opportunity to get wide ranging info.
JMO

Sounds about right.

So we can probably expect that CN, RN and Jake, told everything they knew.

I'll now give it an 80% chance they told all. Up from my 50% earlier ... lol ... !

You are very convincing Ann, more convincing than me.

 

[Covert Operative]

AW? Don't you mean RN?

Yes I do mean RN.

I have to wonder if Canepa asked outright, to CN, RN and Jake, if FW knew anything.
No charges filed on her so she either knows nothing or they will charge her later.

Actually it is not a crime to be told about a crime after the fact.
Like if the Wagners told her what they did that night.

What is a crime is if she helped them after the fact. This would be if she knew evidence was buried on her property.

If she knew evidence was buried on her property but said nothing that is a crime and expect an arrest. 3rd degree felony.

______________________________________________________________________________________
• Accessory After the Fact Lawyer - Penal Code 32 PC
• Columbus and Delaware, Ohio Obstructing Justice Attorney-Lawyer
• First-, Second- and Third-Degree Felonies in Ohio | Penalties, Charges and Defense | Columbus Lawyers

Accessory after the fact -

It's called Obstructing Justice. The Wagner's are all charged with it.

In order to be an accessory after the fact (Obstructing Justice) you have to have known that another person has committed a felony crime, and you then helped that person in some way after the crime was committed, with the intention of helping them escape arrest and/or criminal punishment for the crime.

If the crime committed by the person aided (Jake) is aggravated murder, murder or a felony of the 1st or 2nd degree, obstructing justice will be charged as a 3rd degree felony.

Third-degree felonies carry penalties of one to five years in prison in Ohio.

It is not a crime to know after the fact but you could be charged if you lie/make false statement when you are questioned about it.

Some people think RN is the one that tipped them off to the search of the ponds in Nov 2019. I do not see an incentive for her to do that and it would mean to me that she knew more or was more involved than it may seem. It was near her plea deal though.

Perhaps she did tell because lying was not the Christian thing to do any longer she said. Seems her grandson also wanted to confess because he got religion too, according to Levy's report.

 

[Covert Operative]

I do not think that RN,CN told everything they may know. Asking is there other things we should know probably will not get a yes answer especially from a known liar (RN in this case). I believe they probably answered questions that were asked of them and that is it. The state would have no idea if they knew or not when they asked them questions more than likely.

I do believe they would be asked all kinds of things but that does not mean they told anything extra that would incriminate their family. RN did not tell the truth for a year and she was under a lot of pressure to do so.

I do not believe any of the famiy not in jail would disclose every thing they may know.

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes I do mean RN.

It is not a crime to know after the fact but you could be charged if you lie/make false statement when you are questioned about it.

Some people think RN is the one that tipped them off to the search of the ponds in Nov 2019. I do not see an incentive for her to do that and it would mean to me that she knew more or was more involved than it may seem. It was near her plea deal though.

Perhaps she did tell because lying was not the Christian thing to do any longer she said. Seems her grandson also wanted to confess because he got religion too, according to Levy's report.

Good point thanks!

That, say, Billy told FW about some of that night but not about the evidence they hid on her property.

She could still be charged if she outright lied about it. Like if under oath she was asked directly if she knew anything about the crimes. This is before the arrests.

But her obstruction charge relates to bulletproff vests.

According to FW in MSM, Jake already had religion.

What kind is open for speculation. He didn't celebrate Halloween according to Canepa at the Bond Hearing.

No way did the Wagners tell Rita where the guns were buried, then they would have to admit how they used the guns and say why they were hidden.

I do not believe that Angie even told Rita that she (Angie) forged Rita's signature until she felt she had to.... 2 Cents

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Well I wonder now that JW is guilty will we start seeing him in jail Garb?

 

[Cool Cats]

Well I wonder now that JW is guilty will we start seeing him in jail Garb?

I do not think so. For his plea deal he was in street clothes and for testifying at trial he will be in street clothes. Stands to reason he will always wear street clothes in court on anything having to do with this Case, but not any other Case etc...

 

[Ann99]

Sounds about right.

So we can probably expect that CN, RN and Jake, told everything they knew.

I'll now give it an 80% chance they told all. Up from my 50% earlier ... lol ... !

You are very convincing Ann, more convincing than me.

CC, it is just my very strong belief in AC. She is a chess player, she strategizes.
She has a great team - professionals working on all aspects of this case.
And the fact that the W's threatened some of those people, well, what better incentive?

 

[Covert Operative]

Good point thanks!

That, say, Billy told FW about some of that night but not about the evidence they hid on her property.

She could still be charged if she outright lied about it. Like if under oath she was asked directly if she knew anything about the crimes. This is before the arrests.

But her obstruction charge relates to bulletproff vests.

According to FW in MSM, Jake already had religion.

What kind is open for speculation. He didn't celebrate Halloween according to Canepa at the Bond Hearing.

No way did the Wagners tell Rita where the guns were buried, then they would have to admit how they used the guns and say why they were hidden.

I do not believe that Angie even told Rita that she (Angie) forged Rita's signature until she felt she had to.... 2 Cents

 

[Ann99]

Well I wonder now that JW is guilty will we start seeing him in jail Garb?

MO
Jake may need some high level of personal security and protection from this point forward on his public court appearances, so, whatever clothing will accommodate full body armor.
Jake shouldn't be concerned about fashion.
JMO

 

[Covert Operative]

She could be charged if they prove she lied. Supposedly they all had religion but in Levy video report she said he felt the need to confess because he got religion. So I guess he lost what he had before or he got a new religion. Around 5:20 of this video,Pike County Massacre: Jake Wagner Admits To Family Killing 8 Members of Rhoden & Gilley Families - YouTube
She is told things outside of court that we never hear.

 

[Covert Operative]

MO
Jake may need some high level of personal security and protection from this point forward on his public court appearances, so, whatever clothing will accommodate full body armor.
Jake shouldn't be concerned about fashion.
JMO

The victims may have some friends behind those fences once the W's get there. At that point they may need to be even more worried.

 

[Covert Operative]

RN lied in GJ about the signature or about something, so I am not sure at what point AW told her about the documents. Would have at least been before or around July 2018 if that is the lie she told? They said in court AW went in GJ as a witness and came out as a defendant. I am not sure how that could have happened unless they expected her to deny that was her signature and she did not deny it.

 

[Covert Operative]

Well I wonder now that JW is guilty will we start seeing him in jail Garb?

Do you mean if there are trials? I am not sure we will see him in court again until trials or he is sentenced. I am hoping BW wants his DP dropped so he can file for speedy trial and we get to see him and JW in court sooner. Just a wish on my part.

 

[Ann99]

RN.
Why would she have been a notary?
What reason did she have?
What need?
I think that is a good question.
MO

 

[Covert Operative]

RN.
Why would she have been a notary?
What reason did she have?
What need?
I think that is a good question.
MO

Her original notary appointment was Dec 2012 - Dec 2017 and her second appointment was Jan 2018 and is active. Notary Commission System - Search Results (ohiosos.gov)
RITA J NEWCOMB Non-Attorney 26-DEC-2012 25-DEC-2017 INACTIVE-EXPIRED
RITA J NEWCOMB Non-Attorney 11-JAN-2018 10-JAN-2023 ACTIVE

 

[Cool Cats]

For @Ann99 post about Jake wearing armour:

I have a photo to paste showing FW wearing what I believe is a bulletproof vest.

Phone not working right have to use laptop when I get home to paste photo.

Also, for your post about Rita being a
notary:

I believe she's a notary because she would be paid. It's a job and it's a side business she could build.

 

[LMDlong]

Any check court view this afternoon? GW4 attorney filed another motion.