GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #64

[Cool Cats]

I always wonder if attorneys like gw4 reconcile with themselves that their client is guilty but since the client does not say it out loud allows them to live in a blissful ignorant state. This state allows them to ignore the fact they are active co conspirators after the fact. Constitution demands an adequate defense ie someone only on your side. This coming from a time when british judges could hang a man in a day with no recourse. The constitution was not designed to provide for an playing field for vile murderers. Tge supreme court and the litigious nature of our country has turned tge bill of rights, which is possibly the greatest document ever written for the common citizen, and turned it into a murderers playbook to escape and kill again. If this is the only way for gw4s lawyer to get ahead in the legal world maybe he just isn't good enough. An entire family was slaughtered in cold blood. The fact they all have these lawyers actively working to make sure they get away with it. They should all have to pay out of pocket and back pay now that dp is off table. They should all get 3rd year law student public defenders. This court case exemplifies everything wrong with our justice system on a state level. The fbi do not have this issue. Their conviction rate is consistently close to 90 percent people dont play chicken about going to trial the feds welcome it. Maybe federal murder should become a thing I don't know but this is not right. Think of families Geneva. She should get to be at peace knowing they're all done.

OHIO
• https://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/Boards/capitalCases/capitalCases.pdf
• Commission on Appointment of Counsel in Capital Cases
• Rules for Appointment of Counsel in Capital Cases (Appt. Coun.R)
• Statewide List of Attorneys Certified to Accept Appointments in Capital Cases
• The Commission on Appointment of Counsel in Capital Cases administers the requirements of the Rules for Appointment of Counsel in Capital Cases including the certification of attorneys who are eligible to be appointed to represent indigent capital defendants.

The Wagner Cases are DP Cases and all DP defendants in Ohio must have 2 DP certified attorneys. These are attorneys who specifically practice in the complex world of DP law and have been through a certain amount of DP Cases and trials.

They can't even have 2 regular attorneys let alone sub par "3rd year law student public defenders" as you put it.

There is everything at stake here, life is at stake. No time to pussy foot around, only the big leagues can apply.

Do you really think Jake's attorneys thought him innocent? I believe they delicately told him there was too much evidence against him for him to win at trial. They gradually convinced him to plea to avoid the DP.

Same will happen to George. His attorney will level with him on the evidence and his chances at trial but if George wants his trial his attorney has to do everything to raise reasonable doubt. His attorney can think he is guilty but still has to go through trial to raise reasonable doubt.

DP attorneys 95% of the time work to get their DP client to take a plea and get the DP off the table. Rarely do they get to trial but when they do if they do not give the best defense possible and try to raise reasonable doubt, then a guilty verdict can be overturned on appeal.

Do you think a DP attorney who knows their client is guilty actually wants their client to get a guilty verdict overturned because the attorney didn't do their due diligence in representing their client at trial?

No.

 

[Cool Cats]

Seems odd to me that the Docket expresses the specific medical place Angela is traveling to. The other time this occurred there was no mention of the medical place she was being transported to.

Seems strange for 2 reasons:

Security, now everyone knows which place she is most likely going to.
And privacy issues. I wouldn't want the public to know what medical treatment I am receiving.

I also think it was odd that her attorneys waited 1 year and 9 months before trying to get her phone privileges reinstated. Also odd that there has not been any mention at all of Angela getting her mail privileges back.

Seems Angela knows how to, rather obsessively, stand up for herself on the outside, but doesn't seem to know how to do it on the inside.

I would want my medical business kept completely private and I would demand my mail and phone privileges back starting at 6 months and then 9 months then a year etc... And keep fighting for them.

Mail and phone calls are a true lifeline in jail.

08/24/2021 ENTRY -- THE MOTION TO ALLOW TRAVEL FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES IS GRANTED; THE DELAWARE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS ORDERED TO TRANSPORT ANGELA WAGNER FROM THE DELAWARE COUNTY JAIL TO COMFORT DENTAL AND RETURN HER TO JAIL IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING HER APPOINTMENT
https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org/e...OZ0C6Z8ZpsTQBAKZlkV9wOj2bgtv2kCPYuZpiZaQLasxQ

...2 Cents...

 

[IType]

Jake Wagner pleads guilty after GW4 attorneys puts all the blame on Jake and Angela, so who’s going to blame who next???

Excellent question!!

 

[IType]

Seems odd to me that the Docket expresses the specific medical place Angela is traveling to. The other time this occurred there was no mention of the medical place she was being transported to.

Seems strange for 2 reasons:

Security, now everyone knows which place she is most likely going to.
And privacy issues. I wouldn't want the public to know what medical treatment I am receiving.

I also think it was odd that her attorneys waited 1 year and 9 months before trying to get her phone privileges reinstated. Also odd that there has not been any mention at all of Angela getting her mail privileges back.

Seems Angela knows how to, rather obsessively, stand up for herself on the outside, but doesn't seem to know how to do it on the inside.

I would want my medical business kept completely private and I would demand my mail and phone privileges back starting at 6 months and then 9 months then a year etc... And keep fighting for them.

Mail and phone calls are a true lifeline in jail.

08/24/2021 ENTRY -- THE MOTION TO ALLOW TRAVEL FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES IS GRANTED; THE DELAWARE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS ORDERED TO TRANSPORT ANGELA WAGNER FROM THE DELAWARE COUNTY JAIL TO COMFORT DENTAL AND RETURN HER TO JAIL IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING HER APPOINTMENT
https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org/e...OZ0C6Z8ZpsTQBAKZlkV9wOj2bgtv2kCPYuZpiZaQLasxQ

...2 Cents...

I also am curious about the travel permission specifically stating the destination, but the first one didn't. Not sure what to make of it.

 

[Covert Operative]

So Jake's confession and disclosure of evidence has torpedoed alot of defense strategy I can imagine.

How bout any of the attorneys wanting to place blame on some sort of drug gang or Cartel? Well according to Jake it was him and his family who did it not anyone else.

Billy's is another defense strategy Jake torpedoed with his confession and disclosure of hidden evidence:

Billy Wagner's attorney questions the use and analysis of shell casings found at the scene that were linked to shell casings found later on Billy Wagner's property.

Wagner's attorney maintains they can't be linked without the gun, which the prosecution doesn't have.

Oops -

He also said they could have been compromised by being out in the elements for more than a year.

Billy seems to look regretful in this photo, a rare expression

• Billy Wagner to return to Pike County court
• Billy Wagner's defense team waits for evidence in Rhoden case
• Billy Wagner returns to court for a hearing in Pike County massacre case

I also am curious about the travel permission specifically stating the destination, but the first one didn't. Not sure what to make of it.

It probably should not have mentioned it is what I thought when I first saw it posted in courtview.
I was hoping someone would volunteer to stake out the nearest comfort dental or watch the jail for when they put her in the car and take pics. ha

 

[Cool Cats]

It probably should not have mentioned it is what I thought when I first saw it posted in courtview.
I was hoping someone would volunteer to stake out the nearest comfort dental or watch the jail for when they put her in the car and take pics. ha

Exactly my point about security issues.

 

[IType]

It probably should not have mentioned it is what I thought when I first saw it posted in courtview.
I was hoping someone would volunteer to stake out the nearest comfort dental or watch the jail for when they put her in the car and take pics. ha

Lol

 

[Cool Cats]

<modsnip>

It's imperative according to Ohio rule of law that the Wagners have the right attorneys which they do and that their attorneys are doing what they are paid to do, which they are, so that justice can be served which it will be.

It is incongruous watching an attorney defending a man guilty of 8 murders when even the attorney can see the overwhelming evidence against their client. But this is par for the course and how the system operates.

I think the way it's going will ultimately bring justice to the victims. Jake turning State's evidence is the linchpin in the whole Case and can't be overcome by the defense.

George's attorney is grasping a sinking ship, now in the position of keeping his client afloat with no life jacket. All he has to swim with is trying to discredit Jake on grounds of being a liar and having serious mental illness.

George's attorney is doing what he is paid to do and is doing a good job in an unwinnable situation.

When George is found guilty and goes through his long appeals process, his defense representation from before and during trial will be unimpeachable. His guilty verdict won't be overturned for lack of sufficient counsel.

 

[LMDlong]

Jake will still get the blame only this time for being a voracious liar.

(See George's Motion below)

Supposedly Jake could be suffering from serious mental illness enough to affect his credibility. He may have:

Memory deficits, magical thinking, blurring of reality and fantasy, and projection of blame onto others.

His mental deficits could affect his ability to observe, narrate, and remember.

Mental illness is especially important when a witness has exhibited a pronounced disposition to lie or hallucinate or suffered from a severe illness...that dramatically impaired their ability to preceive and tell the truth.

Edward Jake Wagner had previously given recorded statements denying involvement in these murders and then admitted in open court his guilt. At the very least, this demonstrates a pronounced disposition to lie.

In this case the defense believes at the very least that Edward suffered a serious head injury as a child that required hospital care that likely is relevant to his mental health. Also, the records prepared in mitigation for Edward in this case likely also have evidence that impugns Edward's credibility.

(Previously posted by CO Mod approved)

Oh yeah Jake is going to get the blame. I think most people accused of killing demonstrates a pronounced disposition to lie. Why ? Because most plea not guilty at first there by telling a lie. The part about a serious head injury as a child … I really wish we knew more about his childhood. IMO I don’t believe a head injury causes him to lie . If so then all the Wagner’s must have had “serious head injuries”.

 

[LMDlong]

Seems odd to me that the Docket expresses the specific medical place Angela is traveling to. The other time this occurred there was no mention of the medical place she was being transported to.

Seems strange for 2 reasons:

Security, now everyone knows which place she is most likely going to.
And privacy issues. I wouldn't want the public to know what medical treatment I am receiving.

I also think it was odd that her attorneys waited 1 year and 9 months before trying to get her phone privileges reinstated. Also odd that there has not been any mention at all of Angela getting her mail privileges back.

Seems Angela knows how to, rather obsessively, stand up for herself on the outside, but doesn't seem to know how to do it on the inside.

I would want my medical business kept completely private and I would demand my mail and phone privileges back starting at 6 months and then 9 months then a year etc... And keep fighting for them.

Mail and phone calls are a true lifeline in jail.

08/24/2021 ENTRY -- THE MOTION TO ALLOW TRAVEL FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES IS GRANTED; THE DELAWARE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS ORDERED TO TRANSPORT ANGELA WAGNER FROM THE DELAWARE COUNTY JAIL TO COMFORT DENTAL AND RETURN HER TO JAIL IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING HER APPOINTMENT
https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org/e...OZ0C6Z8ZpsTQBAKZlkV9wOj2bgtv2kCPYuZpiZaQLasxQ

...2 Cents...

Ok I’m guilty. I did look up this dental service. County jails have contracts with businesses for services needed that are not available in county jail. Example dental , optical…

 

[Cool Cats]

Oh yeah Jake is going to get the blame. I think most people accused of killing demonstrates a pronounced disposition to lie. Why ? Because most plea not guilty at first there by telling a lie. The part about a serious head injury as a child … I really wish we knew more about his childhood. IMO I don’t believe a head injury causes him to lie . If so then all the Wagner’s must have had “serious head injuries”.

As Nash stated at George's latest Hearing, George vehemently denies having committed these heinous murders. All Nash can do is present the evidence to George and level with him on how overwhelming it is but he cannot push George to plead guilty.

George wants to raise his son and run his son's life and he can't do that from behind bars. George is going to do whatever it takes to get out of jail and that won't happen by him pleading guilty. He has learned that breaking out of jail is not feasible.

George has a right to his trial which truthfully will likely reveal some answers that otherwise no one would hear about such as what Jake and inside witnesses and expert witnesses reveal. I am hoping to find out one of the biggest mysteries and that is "what about Kenny?"

Jake was very clear and very lucid during his grueling guilty plea Hearing and all he has to do at trial is show that same concentration when being grilled in front of the jury. If he succeeds in that it will be like climbing a steep mountain for George's defense to peg him as mentally unsound.

Clear concise questioning from Canepa coupled with Jake's calm unwavering answers will make it a downhill slide for the prosecutors - with the guilty verdict there to greet them at the bottom.

Once George is found guilty because Canepa shows she is holding all the aces, I predict the 2 holdouts will fold their hands. Know when to fold them, know when to walk away, know when to run.

... 2 Cent's ... ¢'s

 

[Cool Cats]

Ok I’m guilty. I did look up this dental service. County jails have contracts with businesses for services needed that are not available in county jail. Example dental , optical…

Thanks. I didn't realize jails have contracts with community medical providers, makes alot of sense. Those businesses will know how to handle the deputies'
presence as well as the handcuffs and chains.

Weird to sit in the dentist chair in handcuffs and chains. Don't break the law folks.

 

[LMDlong]

Seems odd to me that the Docket expresses the specific medical place Angela is traveling to. The other time this occurred there was no mention of the medical place she was being transported to.

Seems strange for 2 reasons:

Security, now everyone knows which place she is most likely going to.
And privacy issues. I wouldn't want the public to know what medical treatment I am receiving.

I also think it was odd that her attorneys waited 1 year and 9 months before trying to get her phone privileges reinstated. Also odd that there has not been any mention at all of Angela getting her mail privileges back.

Seems Angela knows how to, rather obsessively, stand up for herself on the outside, but doesn't seem to know how to do it on the inside
I would want my medical business kept completely private and I would demand my mail and phone privileges back starting at 6 months and then 9 months then a year etc... And keep fighting for them.

Mail and phone calls are a true lifeline in jail.

08/24/2021 ENTRY -- THE MOTION TO ALLOW TRAVEL FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES IS GRANTED; THE DELAWARE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS ORDERED TO TRANSPORT ANGELA WAGNER FROM THE DELAWARE COUNTY JAIL TO COMFORT DENTAL AND RETURN HER TO JAIL IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING HER APPOINTMENT
https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org/e...OZ0C6Z8ZpsTQBAKZlkV9wOj2bgtv2kCPYuZpiZaQLasxQ

...2 Cents...

I agree . IMO Angela stood up for herself and she controlled her family on the outside. But in jail she’s not in control. She don’t know how to handle not being in control. She can not see or talk to her family . I think its all breaking her.

 

[LMDlong]

Thanks. I didn't realize jails have contracts with community medical providers, makes alot of sense. Those businesses will know how to handle the deputies'
presence as well as the handcuffs and chains.

Weird to sit in the dentist chair in handcuffs and chains. Don't break the law folks.

Your welcome

 

[FrankieT]

As Nash stated at George's latest Hearing, George vehemently denies having committed these heinous murders. All Nash can do is present the evidence to George and level with him on how overwhelming it is but he cannot push George to plead guilty.

George wants to raise his son and run his son's life and he can't do that from behind bars. George is going to do whatever it takes to get out of jail and that won't happen by him pleading guilty. He has learned that breaking out of jail is not feasible.

George has a right to his trial which truthfully will likely reveal some answers that otherwise no one would hear about such as what Jake and inside witnesses and expert witnesses reveal. I am hoping to find out one of the biggest mysteries and that is "what about Kenny?"

Jake was very clear and very lucid during his grueling guilty plea Hearing and all he has to do at trial is show that same concentration when being grilled in front of the jury. If he succeeds in that it will be like climbing a steep mountain for George's defense to peg him as mentally unsound.

Clear concise questioning from Canepa coupled with Jake's calm unwavering answers will make it a downhill slide for the prosecutors - with the guilty verdict there to greet them at the bottom.

Once George is found guilty because Canepa shows she is holding all the aces, I predict the 2 holdouts will fold their hands. Know when to fold them, know when to walk away, know when to run.

... 2 Cent's ... ¢'s

You mention Jake in front of a jury, what I think will be most interesting is Jake testifying in front of his brother. The family seems to be so enmeshed that it could be the first time he has ever betrayed one of them to their face. And what a time to do it.

I also am glad they are all getting the very best defense there is to offer. I want them to be convicted on the weight of evidence so thoroughly challenged that there is no question on any level of them ever having another trial.

Sorry I don't comment very often, I have nothing much to add. But I am so thankful for each of you who bring your knowledge, insight, and good old fashioned common sense to the table. Thank you one and all.

 

[Cool Cats]

You mention Jake in front of a jury, what I think will be most interesting is Jake testifying in front of his brother. The family seems to be so enmeshed that it could be the first time he has ever betrayed one of them to their face. And what a time to do it.

I also am glad they are all getting the very best defense there is to offer. I want them to be convicted on the weight of evidence so thoroughly challenged that there is no question on any level of them ever having another trial.

Sorry I don't comment very often, I have nothing much to add. But I am so thankful for each of you who bring your knowledge, insight, and good old fashioned common sense to the table. Thank you one and all.

Ya, I think they will have to restrain George from jumping over the table and bashing Scheiderer's face .. err .. Jake's face in.

George already has looks that kill,

the tension within the courtroom when those days come will be astronomical. No work, no appointments, have to stay home and watch it live. I hope WCPO records it live like all the Hearings.

George Wagner IV enters 'not guilty' plea in Rhoden family massacre

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Ya, I think they will have to restrain George from jumping over the table and bashing Scheiderer's face .. err .. Jake's face in.

George already has looks that kill,

the tension within the courtroom when those days come will be astronomical. No work, no appointments, have to stay home and watch it live. I hope WCPO records it live like all the Hearings.

George Wagner IV enters 'not guilty' plea in Rhoden family massacre

IMO
GW4 is all talk without daddy backing him, JMO

 

[LMDlong]

Does anyone know if it has ever been said if the Wagner’s claimed to have alibi’s for the night of the murders ?

 

[Cool Cats]

IMO
GW4 is all talk without daddy backing him, JMO

I have the impression that for sure by far Jake is a mama's boy and George is more trying to impress dad. You know, be all tough like "Bad Billy." The most vocal about revenge and busting out of jail and wanting to bash Scheiderer's face in. He even has a gun like daddy carried around when he was a little kid.

Jake couldn't give an interview with Chris Graves without Angie butting in. Angie is the one who screenshot what Hanna said and showed it to Jake (they would have to kill me first) then 4 months later Hanna was shot.

I believe mommy wanted custody even more than her son and encouraged and manipulated him into murder, even buying shoes for him.

Last public photo of Angie June 2020 • I think she's embarrassed to be seen

She had all the influence, all she had to do was take the high road and be the voice of reason and help make peace between everyone.

She could have befriended the Rhoden family, invited Dana and Chris for dinner, all that kind of thing. But no, she wanted her grandchild only for herself.

Her Prior Acts came to light and ever since then she seems to be in hiding, slinking around behind jail doors. Probably glad not to get mail because many known and unknown people would be giving her an ear full of what they think of her.

She must be embarrassed because the Other Acts Evidence pegged her correctly and also everyone knows she bought the murder shoes.

She acts guilty.

~ All my own observations ~

 

[Cool Cats]

Does anyone know if it has ever been said if the Wagner’s claimed to have alibi’s for the night of the murders ?

Canepa said all of them including Billy were home on Peterson Rd that night watching movies including Boondock Saints. Scheiderer said George's phone was at Peterson Rd that night. FW said "They weren't anywhere near that place (UHR) that night."

They claim they were home that night, that is their alibi. An alibi is a claim you were not at a certain crime scene when the crime occurred.

"Not on UHR, we were on Peterson Rd."

~ From Canepa and Scheiderer Testimony at George's Bond Hearing ~