GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #66

[IType]

This is a young guy who has been imprisoned almost 3 years. A 30 year sentence would now be a 27 year sentence and if he served every day of it he would still be out playing with his grandchildren at age 57.

I am hoping for murder charges to keep him in for life. Absolute life.

As it stands now, Angela will be out when she is Fred's age, later 70's. This is if she doesn't get parole.

She is not sopose to get parole right? I need to go back and listen to that part of the hearing.

Yes, it is my understanding that AW cannot get parole/early release. She has to serve the entire 30 years, with credit for time served from the time of her arrest up until she gets moved to a state prison. JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes, it is my understanding that AW cannot get parole/early release. She has to serve the entire 30 years, with credit for time served from the time of her arrest up until she gets moved to a state prison. JMO

Yup.

Her release date is:

November 13, 2048
Age 78

 

[IType]

This again from the article link you posted..
Deering read details, including how Wagner obtained ammunition and gun silencers, forged child-custody documents, broke into computer accounts of the victims, broke into their homes and moved bodies once they had been shot.
Has this issue been resolved on here? Was she in the homes? Did she move bodies? Sorry if this has been answered, maybe I missed it. After they all went back to their house did they then go back to the Rhoden homes and move bodies? Deering was reading details related to her and her alone.

The judge was reading the original charges filed against AW that were to be dropped as part of her plea agreement, but AC's comments were related to counts 9-22 which AW was pleading guilty to. I agree it is very confusing, but as per CC's post of the recording and it's transcript, AC clearly says AW was not at the murder scenes at any time. Hope this helps.

 

[IType]

IMO one reason for putting it on all the local news stations is to taint potential jurors.

I agree.

And doesn't this media blitz look familiar?? Seems to me GW4's grandmother pulled the same stunt, even with a gag order in place. JMO

 

[Betty P]

OHIO FELONY MURDER RULE

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George4's attorneys defense strategy

"He was at the murder scene but he didn't shoot anybody"
"I don't believe Chris Rhoden died of gunshot wounds"
"George4 didn't know where Chris Rhoden lived"
"George4 didn't own a gun"

 

[IType]

Grannie still has a lot of explaining to do.
Was it George 4 (don't remember clearly) who made some statement about his bedroom is at the front door and he would know if anyone left the house that might, so, no Wagners were on UHR 4/22. Someone said that.
George was guarding the door. HA!

Yes, you remember correctly. It was part of Agent Scheiderer's testimony at GW4's bond hearing in August 2020. I think link is in media and timeline thread.

 

[IType]

Jmo do we know for sure Angela said bought the shoes for Jake and George? And not for Jake and Billy. What if both Jake and Angela lied about George’s part to try to get him a lesser penalty. Wasn’t that suppose to be part of the bigger plan? For all not to go down.

As for the shoes, it also was part of Agent Scheiderer's testimony at GW4's bond hearing in August 2020. I think link is in media and timeline thread. He stated that AW said she purchased the shoes for her sons.

According to my notes, the Supplementary Discovery of 6/21/21 says GW4's footprint was at one of the crime scenes. That link may be in the media and timeline thread as well.

I recall, but can't put my finger on it at the moment, that AC said on the record at some point that AW bought JW and GW4 the shoes from Walmart that were intentionally a different size than JW and GW4 actually wear. JMO

 

[dgfred]

Might have been a fan on or the tv... maybe didn't hear the first shots to wake up.

 

[TheRevWells]

I really wonder what "evidence" the defense is basing his "He did not kill anyone etc" on. If anything, conspiracy is a charge he could have tacked on and depending on the law in Ohio, even if he did not pull the trigger, but was there for the entire thing, he could be charged with murder still, but that depends on the law. I do hope that an allocution is made by the 2 that have pled guilty so that we can know what fully happened and really, the family that remains deserves that as well regardless of how graphic or hard it would be to hear it

 

[Betty P]

I really wonder what "evidence" the defense is basing his "He did not kill anyone etc" on. If anything, conspiracy is a charge he could have tacked on and depending on the law in Ohio, even if he did not pull the trigger, but was there for the entire thing, he could be charged with murder still, but that depends on the law. I do hope that an allocution is made by the 2 that have pled guilty so that we can know what fully happened and really, the family that remains deserves that as well regardless of how graphic or hard it would be to hear it

JMO, the defense team is using a strategy of trying to get the DP off the table before the trial begins.
Then they will go to trial and try to launch a flashy defense to get GW4 acquitted. Without the DP on the table, they can take a gamble on convincing the jury. If it doesn't work, the worst GW4 ends up with is LWOP.

 

[Dudly]

George Wagner IV attorneys want murder charges, death penalty dismissed

 

[joe jones]

JMO, the defense team is using a strategy of trying to get the DP off the table before the trial begins.
Then they will go to trial and try to launch a flashy defense to get GW4 acquitted. Without the DP on the table, they can take a gamble on convincing the jury. If it doesn't work, the worst GW4 ends up with is LWOP.

I wonder which one may deal first BW or GW or neither,

 

[Covert Operative]

I really wonder what "evidence" the defense is basing his "He did not kill anyone etc" on. If anything, conspiracy is a charge he could have tacked on and depending on the law in Ohio, even if he did not pull the trigger, but was there for the entire thing, he could be charged with murder still, but that depends on the law. I do hope that an allocution is made by the 2 that have pled guilty so that we can know what fully happened and really, the family that remains deserves that as well regardless of how graphic or hard it would be to hear it

I would say they are basing it off the discovery/proffer/s that were turned over to them.

 

[Covert Operative]

IMO one reason for putting it on all the local news stations is to taint potential jurors.

I did not realize the defense asked the media to do that. I thought that it is the case of the reporters getting their hands on that motion which is public and reporting on it.

 

[Berrybell]

Here is what a family member said about it:

Rhoden relatives gathered outside after the hearing, consoling one another. One woman glared at Wagner from her car as Wagner exited the courthouse.

"I see a woman with no sympathy, no remorse," she said, commenting on the sentence. "She's getting 30 years more than what our family gets."

Angela Wagner pleads guilty in Rhoden family murder case

This breaks my heart.

 

[Berrybell]

Ya, this is the first time it came up in a MSM National News Feed I look at.
You must be right about his attorneys putting their spin out there to the press.

There is no way George can get only a "speeding ticket" for driving to the murders but he sure as heck can and will get prosecuted for the murders themselves. Wait, he is already being prosecuted for the murders. He has been in jail almost 3 years going back and forth to Court Hearings.

Just because George's attorneys are putting it out in the media and in a Motion that George didn't shoot or kill anyone, doesn't even mean it is true! This is coming from the attorney who filed a Motion that said - without stating her name - that FW could exonerate George because she could point to the real killers.

Guess that ship has already sailed.

Don't believe Nash and comany, George, even if he didn't pull a trigger, is guilty of assisting the 8 aggravated murders. He went there that night for a reason and it was to kill or help to kill. George sure wasn't there with his bloody shoeprint that night just to go for a ride and watch - like being at some movie.

Nope. George was in it with his mask and gun and night scope to make sure 8 homicides took place. He assisted in many ways and didn't go home to tell his evil mother until it was all done. Cameras dismantled, bodies moved, evidence stolen, and a pit stop at FWF to deal with buckets and cement.

Tick Tock Tick Tock the clock is ticking because Lady Justice is coming for George.

Lady Justice is an allegorical personification of the moral force in judicial systems. Her attributes are a blindfold, scales, and a sword.

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What if the family agreed before the killings if caught they would swear GW4 wasn't there or didn't kill anyone? Maybe that was the only way they could get him to agree and risk loosing his son? I not only think he was there I am having hard time believing he didn't kill anyone.

 

[IType]

JMO, I'm convinced FW is behind all this razzle-dazzle defense of GW4. She's probably advising them on the PR news media push. I think she's working with and possibly paying for the 2 young women who have been assisting GW4's legal team.

She wants GW4 acquitted so she has a young-ish man to run Flying W Farm for her.

I agree 100 percent.

 

[LMDlong]

I did not realize the defense asked the media to do that. I thought that it is the case of the reporters getting their hands on that motion which is public and reporting on it.

As I said it was IMO

 

[LMDlong]

Putting one shot to a person's head and then another shot to a person's head that are laying right there together probably takes what , a second or two. He may have shot them very quickly at least once each and then shot them more. One shot to the head would more than likely stop them from reacting or moving.

There could have been two shooters in frankie’s trailer, in case Frankie or Hannah might have been up. JMO

 

[Covert Operative]

There could have been two shooters in frankie’s trailer, in case Frankie or Hannah might have been up. JMO

They probably were in all the homes but they were killed with the 22, seems like that person probably shot them really quickly.