GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #67

[altojack]

I have posted before a long time ago about the fight the week before the murders because I was asking about the night that DR was at work on her phone and crying.

I wonder now did CR Snr suffer any injuries that night even though he whooped the a*se of Billy.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I have posted before a long time ago about the fight the week before the murders because I was asking about the night that DR was at work on her phone and crying.

I wonder now did CR Snr suffer any injuries that night even though he whooped the a*se of Billy.

Billy showed his true colors of (Yellow) he got a whipping that day so it took 2 weeks for he could get the courage to go back a face Big Chris, Billy took his 2 sons and 3 guns!, JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Billy showed his true colors of (Yellow) he got a whipping that day so it took 2 weeks for he could get the courage to go back a face Big Chris, Billy took his 2 sons and 3 guns!, JMO

Yah, part of the murder looks like revenge against Chris. Billy pulled a gun on Chris then within a week went back to ambush him.

Could even be why this date was picked, Billy was in a hurry to ambush Chris with, as you say, his 2 sons and 3 guns.

Looks like all 3 were involved in Chris's murder. 2 different shoe prints were there with evidence that 2 guns were used at his house and excessive shots, 13, one bullet under house.

Motion #73 alludes to Jake having shot Chris besides killing 5 other victims:

Thus, the State seeks to hold the death penalty over the head of George Wagner who did not kill anybody while it has struck a remarkable plea bargain with the actual killer of at least 5 victims who also shot a sixth victim.

 

[IType]

G4
12/16/2021 SUBPOENA ISSUED TO RYAN SCHEIDERER (SERVICE BY COUNSEL) Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M

Any ideas on why the defense would want the BCI agent to testify? Even if it is to say that there is no physical evidence to prove G4 was there, wouldn't JW have said in his proffer G4 was there and would also say that on the stand, or will at least say to what extent G4 was involved. Seems to me the defense is helping the state prove their case, unless there is something unexpected.

They may as well call AW while they are at it and the three of them can vote one last time, for old times' sake.
(sarcasm)

Maybe Agent Scheiderer is being called to testify about the shoe print evidence?

 

[altojack]

Maybe Agent Scheiderer is being called to testify about the shoe print evidence?

Checking shoe sizes perhaps.

 

[Cool Cats]

Checking shoe sizes perhaps.

They want to get the shoe print evidence thrown out so I don't see how they can do that by having Scheiderer testify about the shoe prints unless it is how BCI obtained the prints. Scheiderer/BCI only collect the evidence.

MOTION NUMBER 76 -
DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE REQUESTING A PRETRIAL EVIDENTIARY HEARING TO DETERMINE THE ADMISSIBILITY OF SHOE PRINT EVIDENCE AND OPINIONS

 

[IType]

They want to get the shoe print evidence thrown out so I don't see how they can do that by having Scheiderer testify about the shoe prints unless it is how BCI obtained the prints. Scheiderer/BCI only collect the evidence.

MOTION NUMBER 76 -
DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE REQUESTING A PRETRIAL EVIDENTIARY HEARING TO DETERMINE THE ADMISSIBILITY OF SHOE PRINT EVIDENCE AND OPINIONS

I'm thinking testifying as to the manner in which the shoe prints were obtained and how BCI came to the conclusion that any specific shoe print(s) belongs to GW4. Just a thought, could be wrong

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I really hate that Lenard Manley didn’t live long enough to see Billy and George Wagner iv get what’s coming to them, I hope and pray that justice gives the Wagners family what they deserve (Life Without Parole) JMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

I'm thinking testifying as to the manner in which the shoe prints were obtained and how BCI came to the conclusion that any specific shoe print(s) belongs to GW4. Just a thought, could be wrong

If your interested I can post everything he said about the shoeprints in the Bond Hearing. BCI took photos of them from a "hard wood looking" type floor.

Prints were compared to shoes from Florida Wallmart.

 

[Covert Operative]

I'm thinking testifying as to the manner in which the shoe prints were obtained and how BCI came to the conclusion that any specific shoe print(s) belongs to GW4. Just a thought, could be wrong

I think because AW said she bought those type shoes for G4 and JW and the state had Bodziack compare that type shoe and say that the treads do match the crime scene photos of the shoe prints. Bodziak bought the same type in Florida to test that AW purchased. He bought them two years later to test I believe. He is the leading expert on shoe analysis. (I am assuming that information has been discussed in here before and there are links to the motion concerning the shoes, if not I will delete.)

Seems that JW would have said in his confession if G4 had on those shoes or not. Probably why they need to keep that info from being admitted. I do not think they will be successful in that.
It has always seemed strange to me that it was two left shoeprints. Probably not strange at all and there may be many explanations for it.

Wednesday's hearing could be interesting even if JW cannot testify, if the defense gets the chance they may throw a couple new tidbits in other than their claim that G4 did not shoot/kill anyone , we never know. JMO

 

[LMDlong]

Underscored by me: Interesting wording here IMO, using the phrase "involved in a homicide". Well, duh, if your client was at a murder scene while a murder was taking place, then of course he was involved in a homicide. Even if he didn't kill anyone, his being there makes him involved, JMO. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't that clearly defined by Ohio State Law--being present when a murder takes place means you were involved??

Interesting for sure. Breaking the phrase down you get “a homicide” .
I wonder if he only short one person.

 

[altojack]

They want to get the shoe print evidence thrown out so I don't see how they can do that by having Scheiderer testify about the shoe prints unless it is how BCI obtained the prints. Scheiderer/BCI only collect the evidence.

MOTION NUMBER 76 -
DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE REQUESTING A PRETRIAL EVIDENTIARY HEARING TO DETERMINE THE ADMISSIBILITY OF SHOE PRINT EVIDENCE AND OPINIONS

A good and firm reminder to myself to stop and think sensibly and not to make too rapid a comment

Thinking hat now firmly on head, thanks CC.

 

[Cool Cats]

A good and firm reminder to myself to stop and think sensibly and not to make too rapid a comment

Thinking hat now firmly on head, thanks CC.

Interesting they need a Motion to get Jake to court to testify and the prosecutor can argue against it but with Scheiderer it's just a subpoena and they can't stop it so it looks like he will be testifying.

I think Nash will zero in on his "fishing" from the Bond Hearing, where he accused the Case of being just the Jake and Angela "show" and George wasn't involved other than George and Jake doing everything together.

 

[Puzzles8]

It has always seemed strange to me that it was two left shoeprints. Probably not strange at all and there may be many explanations for it.

I have often questioned, why there were only two footprints total found at the crime scenes. Left ones to boot.

I believe these crime scenes were very bloody. The W3 must have been covered in blood given the short range they shot their victims at. So, did someone clean up the rest of the footprints?

I'm curious, does Pike Co or Ohio LE use standard issue shoes (treads)? Might they have been coincidently the same tread pattern as the shoes purchased by Angie? IIRC, there were some trying to claim corrupt LE were responsible for the murders. Just wondering out loud while we wait...................................

JMO, MOO

 

[Covert Operative]

I have often questioned, why there were only two footprints total found at the crime scenes. Left ones to boot.

I believe these crime scenes were very bloody. The W3 must have been covered in blood given the short range they shot their victims at. So, did someone clean up the rest of the footprints?

I'm curious, does Pike Co or Ohio LE use standard issue shoes (treads)? Might they have been coincidently the same tread pattern as the shoes purchased by Angie? IIRC, there were some trying to claim corrupt LE were responsible for the murders. Just wondering out loud while we wait...................................

JMO, MOO

I agree with you, it seems there would have been more prints at least at CRsr. I can think of explanations why there were not more but I still wonder sometimes why there were not and why it was only left ones. I had also thought there would not be any at DR if they were all in bed when shot, so I have thought about that a lot. There are ways I can think as to how blood would have got on their shoes at DR.

Dr. Bodziak (OJ Simpson case) compared the prints in Rhoden case and confirmed they were from the same type shoes AW bought. He bought the same shoes in Florida to compare. The defense teams are claming its junk science.

Bodziak said the prints from the Simpson case matched a certain type of shoe. Simpson said he would never own that type of ugly shoe. After the trial, pictures surfaced of OJ with that very type of shoe on. He said he did not have those shoes on even though they were in the picture on his feet. You probably already know that, but its just a fun fact to me of how accurate Bodziak is. The FBI data base of shoes has more tennis shoes in it than any other kind, but not the expensive Brunos OJ had on.

Some had tried to blame LE before but very doubtful they wore that type of shoe. If LE had left some prints from any shoes at the scene those probably were investigated and ruled out very quickly.

 

[Cool Cats]

Scheiderer George's Bond Hearing Shoe Prints
George Wagner request for bail denied after hearing reveals new details

Bloody shoe impressions on floor at Chris SR's = Starts at 1:12:40 = Photo

Angela in Walmart = Starts at 1:22:40 = Photo

1.) North of Chris Sr's entryway is left print of 11W athletic works shoe.

2.) On Chris Sr's living room floor another left print was found of the 11W athletic works shoe.

3.) Also North of Chris Sr's porch entryway or on living room floor or both,
a left print was found of a size 10.5 athletic works shoe.

4.) At Dana's a left print of a 11W athletic works shoe was found and only this size print was found at Dana's.

5.) Receipt from Waverly Walmart found on Angela Wagner's property shows the purchase of these 2 sizes of athletic works shoes that match the shoe footprints found at 4077 (Chris Sr's) and 3122 UHR (Dana's).

6.) A still photo of Angie shows her leaving Walmart at time the athletic works shoes were purchased right before murders.

7.) To determine if athletic works shoes were worn by any of the suspects, shoes from the same mold were purchased in Florida to compare to the 4077 and 3122 UHR crime scenes. The shoe expert is able to conclude that there are 2 distinct sizes that were worn - - Size 11W and size 10.5W.

8.) Outsole design, mold, dimension, texture pattern, and other forensic comparisons were made.

9.) Angela Canepa said that Angela Wagner bought these shoes for Jake and George and they are of the size and style they do not wear.

10.) Angela is placing George squarely into the murder shoes into the middle of a murder.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Scheiderer George's Bond Hearing Shoe Prints
George Wagner request for bail denied after hearing reveals new details

Bloody shoe impressions on floor at Chris SR's = Starts at 1:12:40 = Photo

Angela in Walmart = Starts at 1:22:40 = Photo

1.) North of Chris Sr's entryway is left print of 11W athletic works shoe.

2.) On Chris Sr's living room floor another left print was found of the 11W athletic works shoe.

3.) Also North of Chris Sr's porch entryway or on living room floor or both,
a left print was found of a size 10.5 athletic works shoe.

4.) At Dana's a left print of a 11W athletic works shoe was found and only this size print was found at Dana's.

5.) Receipt from Waverly Walmart found on Angela Wagner's property shows the purchase of these 2 sizes of athletic works shoes that match the shoe footprints found at 4077 (Chris Sr's) and 3122 UHR (Dana's).

6.) A still photo of Angie shows her leaving Walmart at time the athletic works shoes were purchased right before murders.

7.) To determine if athletic works shoes were worn by any of the suspects, shoes from the same mold were purchased in Florida to compare to the 4077 and 3122 UHR crime scenes. The shoe expert is able to conclude that there are 2 distinct sizes that were worn - - Size 11W and size 10.5W.

8.) Outsole design, mold, dimension, texture pattern, and other forensic comparisons were made.

9.) Angela Canepa said that Angela Wagner bought these shoes for Jake and George and they are of the size and style they do not wear.

10.) Angela is placing George squarely into the murder shoes into the middle of a murder.

GW4 can say all he wants to that he did not kill anybody (what ever that means) but you can bank on it that he is just as guilty as Billy and Jake is. George Wagner Iv is a hot head, if he didn’t shoot someone the night of the Rhodens/Giley murders how did GW4 talk the most about how he was going to hurt Mike DeWine, Charles Reeader and the BCI Agent, what I’m trying to say is if GW4 chickened out the night of the Piketon Massacre do you all think that Billy and Jake would let him talk so bad a$$ at the family meeting where the Wagner where planing revenge on everybody, remember they thought GW4 was not going to be arrested that was their Ace in the Hole to break all of them out of jail. GW4 Did shoot someone that night if not the other family members could not trust him, JMO

 

[IType]

I have often questioned, why there were only two footprints total found at the crime scenes. Left ones to boot.

I believe these crime scenes were very bloody. The W3 must have been covered in blood given the short range they shot their victims at. So, did someone clean up the rest of the footprints?

I'm curious, does Pike Co or Ohio LE use standard issue shoes (treads)? Might they have been coincidently the same tread pattern as the shoes purchased by Angie? IIRC, there were some trying to claim corrupt LE were responsible for the murders. Just wondering out loud while we wait...................................

JMO, MOO

Could the 2 left shoe prints at CRSR's possibly have been in a hallway or at the end/beginning of a hallway. In the hallway of a house trailer, seems to me they would have to run "single file". That might be why it was only left shoe prints from two different people. As they ran out single file, they stepped in blood on their left?? JMO

 

[IType]

GW4 can say all he wants to that he did not kill anybody (what ever that means) but you can bank on it that he is just as guilty as Billy and Jake is. George Wagner Iv is a hot head, if he didn’t shoot someone the night of the Rhodens/Giley murders how did GW4 talk the most about how he was going to hurt Mike DeWine, Charles Reeader and the BCI Agent, what I’m trying to say is if GW4 chickened out the night of the Piketon Massacre do you all think that Billy and Jake would let him talk so bad a$$ at the family meeting where the Wagner where planing revenge on everybody, remember they thought GW4 was not going to be arrested that was their Ace in the Hole to break all of them out of jail. GW4 Did shoot someone that night if not the other family members could not trust him, JMO

BBM, In my opinion, he was the most vocal because--according to him--he didn't kill anyone. I think he was basically stating (I'm paraphrasing here), "I didn't kill anybody, so the law better not touch me. I'll kick anybody's butt who tries to make me pay for this when I didn't kill anybody." IMO, He felt he was "untouchable" because he didn't pull a trigger and should not be held accountable in any fashion.

Just my opinion on his possible line of thinking, which is TOTAL BS. He was present, he should pay for it IMO. None of the W4 apparently felt he would be arrested if he was there but didn't kill anybody. Talk about deluded thinking.....JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Could the 2 left shoe prints at CRSR's possibly have been in a hallway or at the end/beginning of a hallway. In the hallway of a house trailer, seems to me they would have to run "single file". That might be why it was only left shoe prints from two different people. As they ran out single file, they stepped in blood on their left?? JMO

Shoe prints were in living room near entryway not near hallway. Bullet casings on porch, in living room, and bullet under house. I think he was shot by the front door in the torso twice with alot of blood, thus getting blood on their shoes near front door.


"The autopsy states he was shot nine times in the head, chest, stomach and forearm, possibly a defensive wound."
New information released in unsolved Rhoden family massacre

Scheiderer Bond Hearing link previous post - time stamp to floor photo