OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #75

[arielilane]

Ohio Constitution | Ohio Laws

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Article I, Section 10 | Trial for crimes; witness​

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In any trial, in any court, the party accused shall be allowed to appear and defend in person and with counsel; to demand the nature and cause of the accusation against him, and to have a copy thereof; to meet the witnesses face to face, and to have compulsory process to procure the attendance of witnesses in his behalf, and a speedy public trial by an impartial jury of the county in which the offense is alleged to have been committed; but provision may be made by law for the taking of the deposition by the accused or by the state, to be used for or against the accused, of any witness whose attendance can not be had at the trial, always securing to the accused means and the opportunity to be present in person and with counsel at the taking of such deposition, and to examine the witness face to face as fully and in the same manner as if in court.

Article I, Section 10a - Ohio Constitution | Ohio Laws

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Article I, Section 10a | Rights of victims of crime​

Effective, 2017

 

[arielilane]

Article I, Section 19a - Ohio Constitution | Ohio Laws

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Article I, Section 19a | Damages for wrongful death​

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The amount of damages recoverable by civil action in the courts for death caused by the wrongful act, neglect, or default of another, shall not be limited by law.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Jake's testimony is already part of the record in his case. He will have to testify to what he told prosecutors. He has already given testimony that recovered the guns. He will tell us who did what. He has everything to lose by not living up to his part of the deal.

And by that Jake's testimony being part of the record, I do NOT mean he has testified in this trial yet, but that his proffer to the state has been used to gather evidence for this trial and Billy's trial and that he has presented testimony to the prosecutors and agreed to testify.

 

[rsd1200]

The bills are all proof that they shared their bill money! GW4 better make a plead deal, you Sleuthers know that Billy is going to say that GW4 shot the other victim, JMO

Then again, AW and JW have each turned, while he, and GW4, have not. He may say it was AW and JW. They've already admitted their parts.

 

[rsd1200]

I wonder if the government seized the Rhoden property and assets, (and the cash) under the civil forfeiture laws. The pot grows on the property makes it a likely possibility.

I doubt it, since no one could be tried for the crime.

 

[LMDlong]

There seems to be a 2021 obituary for her listed in google search...she was 88 when she pasted. I think it might be the BM who's a lawyer in West Union, Oh. Maybe something about GWIV or JW's child custody case?

I came across that obit also , she was a minister wife. There are at least 4 other Barbara Moore listed in different areas of Alaska with one in Kenia . Im not saying the one in Kenia is the one who was subpoenaed just that there is a Barbara Moore in Kenia . I guess we will find out when she appears in court.

 

[arielilane]

It is not unusual for families and even recent grads, to choose to live together, share amenities, and cohabit. Take a look at the housing market. Many recent grads will move back home, but a better alternative is roomies. Also, to avoid a foreclosure homeowners may choose to invite a family member(s) in. That is the world we live in.

 

[arielilane]

Supposedly penitentiary is no longer used? There are a lot of OH Correctional Facility, and wonder which one of the big houses BW and GW4 will be transferred to once convicted? Will AW go to Marysville? MOO

 

[dgfred]

My 31 year old daughter is living with me now. I love it. Her and her 2 cats gives me 6... plus her ferrett. Needless to say I have much doodoo cleaning each day. Haha, but it is worth it. It is saving her piles of money with no rent and little expenses.

 

[Betty P]

Supposedly penitentiary is no longer used? There are a lot of OH Correctional Facility, and wonder which one of the big houses BW and GW4 will be transferred to once convicted? Will AW go to Marysville? MOO

Possibly. I know a crazy woman who was sent there for stealing money from a charity. She deserved it.

 

[Recidivist]

I doubt it, since no one could be tried for the crime.

Civil forfeiture allows police to seize — and then keep or sell — any property they allege is involved in a crime. Owners need not ever be arrested or convicted of a crime for their cash, cars, or even real estate to be taken away permanently by the government.

Asset Forfeiture Abuse | American Civil Liberties Union

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[rsd1200]

Civil forfeiture allows police to seize — and then keep or sell — any property they allege is involved in a crime. Owners need not ever be arrested or convicted of a crime for their cash, cars, or even real estate to be taken away permanently by the government.

Asset Forfeiture Abuse | American Civil Liberties Union

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I don't think they took the R's property. Could they have? Yes. I personally abhor Civil Forfeiter unless there is a trial and conviction.

 

[Betty P]

Civil forfeiture allows police to seize — and then keep or sell — any property they allege is involved in a crime. Owners need not ever be arrested or convicted of a crime for their cash, cars, or even real estate to be taken away permanently by the government.

Asset Forfeiture Abuse | American Civil Liberties Union

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Pretty sure that BCI and PCSD decided not to do this with the Rhoden properties. The crime being prosecuted was murder, not drug trafficking. Pretty sure Tony Rhoden and his brother still mow the properties.

When they took the trailers as evidence, they did take everything inside with them. I recall an article where Tony Rhoden complained because they wanted to retrieve some personal items, like their family Bible, photos, etc.

Pike County: Death in the foothills

If not for some less-than-subtle warnings, the little yellow house could pass for any other in the gentle rolling hills of rural Pike County, Ohio.

www.cincinnati.com

There hasn't been further complaints, so assume the family was able to reclaim those possessions that were important.

 

[Betty P]

I don't think they took the R's property. Could they have? Yes. I personally abhor Civil Forfeiter unless there is a trial and conviction.

Remember, BCI also returned all the vehicles on Chris Sr and Frankie's property to the family. The were impounded at first, but all were checked and were not stolen.

 

[sunshineray]

And by that Jake's testimony being part of the record, I do NOT mean he has testified in this trial yet, but that his proffer to the state has been used to gather evidence for this trial and Billy's trial and that he has presented testimony to the prosecutors and agreed to testify.

I'm just curious after looking up that stuff if you might know...Is a confessed (not convicted) killer's testimony to a conspiracy with others, in the same crimes he confessed to, like an automatic stipulation that the conspiracy is a fact in the eyes of the law? Would that carry the absolute evidentiary weigh of a stipulation?

So can the prosecution treat JW's testimony like a stipulation and the judge would then instruct the jury to give it it's due weight...because it's a done deal in the eyes of the law?

JW confessed for his life and his family, not for a any reduced prison term. The defensed can't really said, oh he got a deal so you've got to be cautious and you can't really believe what he says it true...right? He confessed only to live and save his family member's lives, nothing more.

 

[sunshineray]

Then again, AW and JW have each turned, while he, and GW4, have not. He may say it was AW and JW. They've already admitted their parts.

But JW has also...I guess "accused" is the right word?...GW and BW of participation in the crimes he confessed to freely.

 

[Cool Cats]

But JW has also...I guess "accused" is the right word?...GW and BW of participation in the crimes he confessed to freely.

Jake says that he doesn't know who shot who yet knows George didn't shoot. Figure that one out. Even the prosecution says they don't know who shot who.

Except for the 6 Jake shot.

 

[Cool Cats]

I'm just curious after looking up that stuff if you might know...Is a confessed (not convicted) killer's testimony to a conspiracy with others, in the same crimes he confessed to, like an automatic stipulation that the conspiracy is a fact in the eyes of the law? Would that carry the absolute evidentiary weigh of a stipulation?

So can the prosecution treat JW's testimony like a stipulation and the judge would then instruct the jury to give it it's due weight...because it's a done deal in the eyes of the law?

JW confessed for his life and his family, not for a any reduced prison term. The defensed can't really said, oh he got a deal so you've got to be cautious and you can't really believe what he says it true...right? He confessed only to live and save his family member's lives, nothing more.

No, it's up to the jury if they believe Jake's proffer which means his testimony.

 

[justtrish]

Nothing presented in court for September 2016

I noticed there is one note that says passports (5 adults 2 kids). Who was the other adult?

Also noticed where is Billy's bills? Billy's life ? Billy's phone? Billy's car/truck/insurance? Nothing? Maybe his momma FW was paying his bills?

 

[justtrish]

Jake says that he doesn't know who shot who yet knows George didn't shoot. Figure that one out. Even the prosecution says they don't know who shot who.

Except for the 6 Jake shot.

Really makes me wonder if Jake was the lookout at Kenneth's house, not George and Billy and George went in the second truck up to Kenneth's so Jake might not know who killed Kenneth. Kenneth was the only one shot once and George did post that wolf with the one eye and those odd comments from Angela on his FB.