OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #76

[arielilane]

Taxpayers should not have to pay for another trial. Get it right the first time!

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[dgfred]

Still even if done right... their will be another for BW.

 

[Betty P]

Last one in the pond is chicken!

I can't run as fast as I used to, but I can probably outrun her.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Me

I can only see muddied water where it once was more clear.

Me too. Before the trial I was certain all 4 were guilty, but now I don't know. And we haven't even got to defense's turn yet. I guess that is the purpose of a trial. To rule out all the rumors and gossip and focus only on provable facts.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

This morning Canepa argued these guns can be tied to G4 via recordings to be introduced later.

Edit: That's what I heard, but the audio is poor.

But Jake's phone was collected over a year after the murders. How do we know if some of the guns on the wish list were not bought after the murders or George's statement?

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

I wonder if JW does not testify to the states satisfaction and the DP comes back into play how that works, as GW jury is not DP qualified so he will have to have a new trial with a jury DP qualified, JW will have to have a trial to assertain his guilt then a penalty phase, as his whole plea agreement will be thrown out so his guilty pleas will also go

how then do they proceed with AW if she fulfills her part of plea deal, her 30 years must then stand, so only JW BW and GW would have to have capital trials

This is a death penalty qualified jury. If the DP were to go back on the table for George and he was found guilty, then this jury would go through a penalty trial phase to decide to give George the DP or not.

Jake would have to have a death penalty qualified jury to decide his penalty phase trail, the trial that decides if he gets the DP.

He already plead guilty so I don't think he would get a regular trial like George. But he would get a jury to decide if he ends up on death row.

Complicated. Not totally sure how it would exactly work.

 

[Betty P]

But Jake's phone was collected over a year after the murders. How do we know if some of the guns on the wish list were not bought after the murders or George's statement?

JMO

Apparently there's a conversation on the wiretap tapes that confirms the conspiracy charge. We will hear that next week?

 

[Chelly]

Defense just asked for another mistrial.

 

[arielilane]

Probably an unpopular post this is but the trailers should never have been moved to another location to "preserve evidence." IMO.

 

[arielilane]

I always put myself in the eyes, ears and thoughts of the jury.

If I were a juror, I would be unhappy to sit though an overkill of possibly unrelated evidence. Especially during an unusually long trial. Just an opinion.

I wasn't able to locate the triple "like" button!

 

[Betty P]

Ballistics expert looking at ammo from Frankies' gun at Frankie and Dana's trailers/crime scenes.
All those cartridges from those scenes came from the same gun.

 

[justtrish]

For a refresher, this is the list on Jake's phone. I was attempting to listen again and mark off the ones mentioned today as being at FWF, and then I heard AC just say 17 of the guns found at FWF were on this list. I'm going to quit going back through testimony. lol I will say 17 of them, plus the 3 murder weapons, and I recall 5 traded guns for some work to be done were on a recipt also found.. so if those were also part of this list.. it's quite a few that match up and would suggest this is a list of guns owned and not a list of gun on a wish list.
George’s

**Glock 17
9mm Berreta 96 40 cal
Taurus revolver 357
Remington 514 22
Remington target master 22
Winchester 94 30-30
Enfeild mk2 303
Emfeild mk2 carbine 303
Remington 870 camo 12g
Remington 870 trap 12g
Remington 1187 270
Ruger m77 270
Ruger m m77 22 hornet
Remington wood master 30-06
Ruger m77 22
Cz 22
SKS 7 62 39

Dad’s

Couch gun 12g
Bull barret 22 mag
22/20g over/under
Kodioke 30-06
**Beretta 92 9mm
**Deringer
Mk2 Ruger 22-45
**Cz 223
**Kel-tech pmr 30 22mag

Moms

Taurus 145 9mm
American 22
Cricket 22

Sophia

Cricket 22



Jake’s

Remington score master 22 black
Remington target master 22 satin
Ruger 10/22 olive green
Rossi 410/22 olive green
Remington 870 wingmaster
Reington870 wingmaster black
Remington 870 trap black gloss
Haca (Ifaca?) m31 12g black
Mossberg 835 12g
Winchester 94 30-30 olive green
Winchester 94-17 black
Rossi 45LC
Browning about 270 wsm sliver
Springfield A303 gloss black
Springfield 1903 satin black
Enfeild mk1 303 satin black
Enfeild mk2 303 black
Taurus 145 millennium 45acp
Colt 1911/22
**TC triumph 50cal

 

[ColMustard]

I can't run as fast as I used to, but I can probably outrun her.

Ok, so if I can outrun you ... I'm good?

 

[Chelly]

Apparently there's a conversation on the wiretap tapes that confirms the conspiracy charge. We will hear that next week?

Let us hope.

 

[Betty P]

I think I see where prosecution is going now.

• He's tying the cartridge cases/ballistics from Frankie & Dana's murder scenes to the cartridge cases found on Peterson Rd.
• Then he's showing these cartridges used in the murders did not match the other guns found.
• Therefore, the cartridges match one of the guns dumped in the pond.
• All of those guns found in homes, plus the guns in parts found in the pond are on the family inventory list of guns.
• Therefore, they owned all those guns before the murders, the ones they used for the murders were put in the pond.
• George lied about the inventory list, which contained the murder weapons
• Conspiracy

 

[justtrish]

I can see where they're going but not all of these are on the list. what was my question is if the gun list was made prior to the murders, then yes, it may have been a "wish list". What is this list on Jakes phone? A wish list that he made.

There was a receipt entered earlier into evidence that showed: traded 5 guns, but I don't believe the guns were listed out. So I think this is a list of the guns they owned prior to the homicides. I want to say the list was created sometime in 2015 (it was a memo in Jake's phone and they could pull up when it was created). I'll hunt down that receipt for the traded 5 guns. So those 5 could have been from this list as well.

 

[justtrish]

Probably an unpopular post this is but the trailers should never have been moved to another location to "preserve evidence." IMO.

I don't see the problem with it. They processed it and got everything they thought they'd possibly need before moving them. They had to watch them either way though. I'd imagine not knowing if there was anything that would come to light in the future that would lead them to something in the trailer they missed, they needed to try to ensure nobody went in them. The national media on this from the beginning likely bought a lot of people just going out there to see the scenes. Much easier to keep them watched if they are moved to a single location.

 

[Chelly]

The prosecutor and witness Mr. White are going over the same guns that were just entered into testimony, the ones not connected to the murder. Mr White is excluding them again, this time by ballistics.

 

[joe jones]

all of this is redundant, he has previously testified the casings from scene 2 and 3 and the casings from Peterson road were fired from the same gun and it is a Walther, so instead of this constant repetition all he has to say is I examined all the weapons from the Flying W that could fire .22 caliber and none were a match to the evidence collected from scene 2 and 3 and Peterson Road, I have previously testified to the Walther being the gun

 

[Betty P]

I don't see the problem with it. They processed it and got everything they thought they'd possibly need before moving them. They had to watch them either way though. I'd imagine not knowing if there was anything that would come to light in the future that would lead them to something in the trailer they missed, they needed to try to ensure nobody went in them. The national media on this from the beginning likely bought a lot of people just going out there to see the scenes. Much easier to keep them watched if they are moved to a single location.

I agree. At the time, some people felt it was punitive towards the surviving family members, but that changed. In the end it was better to preserve the scenes in case they were needed. Pike County Sheriffs Dept didn't have enough officers to patrol the whole county and stand guard at these 4 crime scenes. The probability was very high that the Wagners (or someone else) would have torched the trailers to destroy any evidence that might have been left behind. They were notorious for torching things.