OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #80

[Pru2U]

he has changed his testimony from direct to cross, when questioned by AC he said he could see DR with her phone on, now he has said he peered under DR closed door and could see her phone, I would like to find a picture of the door to see if this was possible, also he only decided to tell prosecutor in July that BW shot 2 bullets into FR, I can see why he may have added that (with a little persuasion from prosecutor) as he never saw BW kill anybody in all his discussions with prosecution and the state have no evidence to show BW was ever at the crime scenes except for JW testimony, so they may need JW to testify to the 2 bullets for FR from BW which I do not believe,

with JW now saying he saw BW shoot KR the state has an eyewitness if the jury believe JW at BW trial

My original question though was weren't all 4 charged with 8 counts of murder? And isn't that what Jake plead guilty to? Although he only confessed to 5 of the murders, he still plead guilty to all 8.

Is that correct?

 

[Pru2U]

Maybe it was "You have to testify against your brother and father but you won't have to do it on camera." Give to get.

I think the deal was to testify "as needed" or "if needed" something like that - because prosecutors probably expected (or hoped) they would all make a deal. So far, only Angela has.

This starts off with AC getting the agreement on the record.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I see where the defense attorneys are going with GW4s defense plea, their going in the direction of that Jake Wagner lied about George being at the murders scene just to get out of the death penalty, because Jake has did it his whole life about using George as escape goat for time of trouble, JMO

I think he lied because Canepa told him he had to give her all 4 or no deal. I don't know how many times I have said this but here goes. The only one Jake loves is Jake. The only one Jake is loyal to is Jake. He is a psychopath. He laughs and belches when talking about killing the mother of his child, a woman nursing her newborn baby, the woman he professed to love and wanted to come back to him.

He laughs and smiles when he talks about killing the other 7.

This is some Silence of the Lambs stuff.
JMO

 

[arielilane]

It sure doesn’t sound like the lights were on when James went in DR’s bedroom.

Starts at 1:50

Pru2u,
Agreed. I've included Angenette's tweet from 10/26/2022, and I couldn't hear Dana's bro testimony too well, so I've link his testimony/article dated 9/14/2022 from WCPO.

https://twitter.com/Angenette5

We discussed this on my drive home. We need to know if the people who found Dana and Hanna May on April 22, 2016 - remember the lights being on in the home. Today, Jake Wagner said the lights in the home were on "as bright as in here". It was likely after midnight. (cont)

Jake also said Dana was awake and he believed Hanna May was sleeping when he first entered. Parker asked him "she was sleeping with the lights on?" Jake said yes. He also said he looked under Dana's door and saw the light from her phone - differs slightly from direct


Article BBM
Pike County murder trial: Witnesses describe discovering their family members' bodies
When he got to his sister's home, the front door swung open when he knocked. He walked into the home, calling Dana's name, but there was no response. He said he went straight back to her bedroom — past Hanna May and Chris Jr.'s rooms — to find Dana. It was dark in her room, he recounted, and he couldn't see whether his sister was in bed sleeping or not.
He felt along the bed until her felt her body, underneath covers on the bed, and patted her to try to wake her up, he said. Feeling along, James said he found a pillow over her head and tried to remove it, but it was stuck to Dana's head.
"I just turned around and walked back out," he said.
When asked by the prosecution why he did that, he responded, "because I was pretty sure she was dead too, because of where the pillow was stuck."

 

[Betty P]

Angenette Levy discusses what happened in court yesterday. IMO better than trying to make sense of all the tweets.

Interesting how Angenette reported what Parker said about Jake's plea deal, but didn't report on why it was a dishonest statement. She didn't mention that Parker was only telling one side of the story. She only mentioned that Canepa and Wilson objected, but never explained that GW4 had the same opportunity to enter a plea agreement in exchange for LWOP or less.

JMO, that makes her a "sensationalist" reporter, but not always an accurate one. Yesterday, it sounds like Parker was up to his old tricks of playing to the audience, using "shock and awe" tactics in an attempt to make his client a martyr for the tv cameras.

He's pulled similar stunts during 4 years of pre-trial hearings. We can expect more of the same.

 

[Betty P]

I think he lied because Canepa told him he had to give her all 4 or no deal. I don't know how many times I have said this but here goes. The only one Jake loves is Jake. The only one Jake is loyal to is Jake. He is a psychopath. He laughs and belches when talking about killing the mother of his child, a woman nursing her newborn baby, the woman he professed to love and wanted to come back to him. This is some Silence of the Lambs stuff.

He laughs and smiles when he talks about killing the other 7.

This is some Silence of the Lambs stuff.
JMO

Agree, he is a psycho, but the evidence clearly shows there was more than one shooter. Prosecution has to make sure the confession fits the evidence.

It's not the prosecution's job to allow Jake to spare his family, even if he feels guilty for making them go along with this horrendous plan.

 

[arielilane]

JMO I think he is a psychopath.

I know he is. He is a serial killer. His trophy was that Boondock Saints clip. That is why he showed so much pleasure by laughing when AC showed it in court. He would have gone on to kill many more women had he not been caught. Beth was lucky to get out alive.

JMo

Typical psychopath, can't take rejection.

 

[Pru2U]

I think the deal was to testify "as needed" or "if needed" something like that - because prosecutors probably expected (or hoped) they would all make a deal. So far, only Angela has.

This starts off with AC getting the agreement on the record.

@pittsburghgirl

My apologies, I was wrong. I know I have heard her say “as needed” at some point (maybe opening statement). I should have rewatched this plea for exact wording. before I posted above

starting at 17:15
“Fulfilling his agreement to testify truthfully at each of their respective trials”

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Jake doesn’t need to lie about George to get out of the death penalty. His own truthful confession is enough to earn himself a LWOP sentence.

I tend to believe him when he says he lied to protect his father and George. Apparently the state didn’t believe him either at first, when he said he killed all 8 victims himself. Evidence showed that wasn’t true.

His own truthful confession

Which truthful confession? He has told so many....

The truth isn't in him.

jmo

 

[pittsburghgirl]

My original question though was weren't all 4 charged with 8 counts of murder? And isn't that what Jake plead guilty to? Although he only confessed to 5 of the murders, he still plead guilty to all 8.

Is that correct?

8 counts of Aggravated Murder. In Ohio law, aggravated (or felony) murder is "a planned or intentional homicide of another person or unborn fetus or a homicide while committing certain listed felonies." It occurs "if any death (even an accidental one) results from the commission of certain violent felonies -- such as arson, burglary, kidnapping, rape, and robbery." The Wagmers were clearly engaged in and charged with "burglary." In the cases of Jake, G4 and Billy, there are also "firearms" specification because carrying a gun when engaged in a felony like burglary. https://www.findlaw.com/state/ohio-law/ohio-first-degree-murder
laws.html#:~:text=What%20Is%20Aggravated%20Murder%3F,the%20type%20of%20victim%20involved.

The charges make clear that the perpetrators only need to "cause the death" of the victims. That does not require pulling the trigger. The whole home invasion scenario was intended from the start to "cause the death" of anyone over age 3 in any of the buildings. So anyone present was charged with all 8 murders. Angela pleaded out of those charges but still got 30 years.

 

[arielilane]

Interesting how Angenette reported what Parker said about Jake's plea deal, but didn't report on why it was a dishonest statement. She didn't mention that Parker was only telling one side of the story. She only mentioned that Canepa and Wilson objected, but never explained that GW4 had the same opportunity to enter a plea agreement in exchange for LWOP or less.

JMO, that makes her a "sensationalist" reporter, but not always an accurate one. Yesterday, it sounds like Parker was up to his old tricks of playing to the audience, using "shock and awe" tactics in an attempt to make his client a martyr for the tv cameras.

He's pulled similar stunts during 4 years of pre-trial hearings. We can expect more of the same.

Betty, you bring so much to WS, and you always make me think outside of the box. I'm still learning. I do want to give Angenette the benefit of the doubt that maybe she was unaware or forgot GW4 given same opportunity. She did mention that the opt-out option was not meant for confessed killers.

 

[Cool Cats]

That’s why I’m so taken with the podcast I found. Remember how one reporter (I think it was Angenette) said Billy told Jake something along the lines of “kill Hanna and/or Sophie”? But it was only one reporter who reported that, right? Well, this podcaster Noticed it too so she got several of the reporters on the phone to get their version and cleared it up, then she explained it on her podcast.

She basically starts with the exact same info we get, then chases her questions down for clarification. I know it’s starting to sound like I’m promoting her but I had no idea who she was until I ran up on the podcast about a week ago & decided to listen again last night. I’m planning on listening again tonight, it was that helpful for me. It might be helpful for you.

Pretty Little Lies (on YouTube).

@Pru2U

So your saying only Angenette Levy said Billy said they would have to kill Hanna or Sophie?

A podcaster interviewed other reporters who said Billy didn't say this? About killing Sophie?

I can't find this podcast, would you provide a link please. That Billy could have said this is just too much. If other reporters say he didn't say this, then I want to hear this.

Thanks!!!!

 

[RAISINISBACK]

There are problems, too, with George’s lawyers changing his story. First they say he wasn’t there, then they say he went to protect Jake. The Wagners are a family of liars who can’t keep their stories straight. They’re all guilty.

But George hasn't said anything. We have no story from George. All we have is silence, a few scribbles with a pen, and a few whispers to his attorneys. For all we know he could be saying he needs to go to the restroom.

keep their stories straight
It's Jake who can't keep his stories straight. He can't even keep his story straight from direct to cross. That means it is a lie. If you are telling the truth you do not need to keep your story straight.

Do you think him changing his story for the100th time is why Canepa jumped up and yelled "Jesus"?

JMO

 

[Pru2U]

Interesting how Angenette reported what Parker said about Jake's plea deal, but didn't report on why it was a dishonest statement. She didn't mention that Parker was only telling one side of the story. She only mentioned that Canepa and Wilson objected, but never explained that GW4 had the same opportunity to enter a plea agreement in exchange for LWOP or less.

JMO, that makes her a "sensationalist" reporter, but not always an accurate one. Yesterday, it sounds like Parker was up to his old tricks of playing to the audience, using "shock and awe" tactics in an attempt to make his client a martyr for the tv cameras.

He's pulled similar stunts during 4 years of pre-trial hearings. We can expect more of the same.

I agree Angenette is a bit of a sensationalist; it’s in-line with her job, both in media in general and her employer Law & Crime Network.

This is just my opinion; I have heard some discrepancies and am making no excuses as to why that might be, but I believe AC’s cross rebuttal questioning will help us get an even better understanding of what happened.

I have looked forward to the cross just as much as his original testimony. I felt like it would draw out a little more info and it has - but I do NOT believe he’s said anything YET to jeopardize his plea deal.

 

[joe jones]

Angenette reported correctly what happened in court, we were not there, and I think she is a very good reporter who reports the facts, JW got a great deal, whether it was the best deal ever I don't know, but if you admit to killing 5 members of one family 8 if you are defense and you get the DP removed I think you have got a great deal, defense was being a bit hyperbolic with his best deal ever,

and GW would never get as good a deal as JW as he was offered no DP but LWOP as was BW if they took a plea, AC said this in court during pretrial hearings, why would GW get the same deal as his brother, even JW says GW killed nobody, so they are not equal deals, and if GW is not guilty then why would he even take a plea deal, it is only the word of JW that places GW and BW at any of the crime scenes,

and I am thinking more and more of what JW is selling stinks to high heaven, he is telling the jury that he and BW who is a mountain of a man crept through FR house, and crept into FR bedroom together, I find that hard to believe, there was stuff all over the floors big BW should have been wearing a tutu to achieve that feat as he would have been as light and agile as a ballerina to negotiate past all the rubbish,

another thing of note according to JW it was raining and storming when he got to DR, but all 3 W went into DR home and nobody left any mud behind, but we have according to state a shoeprint in blood in the home, how did that blood stay on anybody's shoe, by the time they got to DR house they had walked back and forth to FR home, they had been in and out of vehicles, yet this one foot had blood on it still,

I am not as hung up on shoe print evidence no matter how expert the expert says he is, a half size difference in shoe size would not sway me into convicting GW if all the state has is shoe prints and JW

AC has told us though that they have very damaging evidence from the truck recordings, and she must have other evidence we haven't seen imo

 

[sunshineray]

he has changed his testimony from direct to cross, when questioned by AC he said he could see DR with her phone on, now he has said he peered under DR closed door and could see her phone, I would like to find a picture of the door to see if this was possible, also he only decided to tell prosecutor in July that BW shot 2 bullets into FR, I can see why he may have added that (with a little persuasion from prosecutor) as he never saw BW kill anybody in all his discussions with prosecution and the state have no evidence to show BW was ever at the crime scenes except for JW testimony, so they may need JW to testify to the 2 bullets for FR from BW which I do not believe,

with JW now saying he saw BW shoot KR the state has an eyewitness if the jury believe JW at BW trial

Do the ballistics recovered from the victims and surroundings confirm BW's gun shot FR too?

 

[Nanasteele]

I think he lied because Canepa told him he had to give her all 4 or no deal. I don't know how many times I have said this but here goes. The only one Jake loves is Jake. The only one Jake is loyal to is Jake. He is a psychopath. He laughs and belches when talking about killing the mother of his child, a woman nursing her newborn baby, the woman he professed to love and wanted to come back to him.

He laughs and smiles when he talks about killing the other 7.

This is some Silence of the Lambs stuff.
JMO

OMG....laughing and belches?????

 

[justtrish]

@justtrish
Which documents are you looking for specifically?

The most recent subpoena filed today. There was one yesterday for both of Jake's lawyers and my understanding is that was for their notes from talking to Jake. Then today the 27th there is a second subpoena filed on only one of Jake's lawyers. Just curios what the second one is about and I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere on twitter or FB with a photo of the document.

 

[sunshineray]

Angenette reported correctly what happened in court, we were not there, and I think she is a very good reporter who reports the facts, JW got a great deal, whether it was the best deal ever I don't know, but if you admit to killing 5 members of one family 8 if you are defense and you get the DP removed I think you have got a great deal, defense was being a bit hyperbolic with his best deal ever,

and GW would never get as good a deal as JW as he was offered no DP but LWOP as was BW if they took a plea, AC said this in court during pretrial hearings, why would GW get the same deal as his brother, even JW says GW killed nobody, so they are not equal deals, and if GW is not guilty then why would he even take a plea deal, it is only the word of JW that places GW and BW at any of the crime scenes,

and I am thinking more and more of what JW is selling stinks to high heaven, he is telling the jury that he and BW who is a mountain of a man crept through FR house, and crept into FR bedroom together, I find that hard to believe, there was stuff all over the floors big BW should have been wearing a tutu to achieve that feat as he would have been as light and agile as a ballerina to negotiate past all the rubbish,

another thing of note according to JW it was raining and storming when he got to DR, but all 3 W went into DR home and nobody left any mud behind, but we have according to state a shoeprint in blood in the home, how did that blood stay on anybody's shoe, by the time they got to DR house they had walked back and forth to FR home, they had been in and out of vehicles, yet this one foot had blood on it still,

I am not as hung up on shoe print evidence no matter how expert the expert says he is, a half size difference in shoe size would not sway me into convicting GW if all the state has is shoe prints and JW

AC has told us though that they have very damaging evidence from the truck recordings, and she must have other evidence we haven't seen imo

Their actions before and after the murders and the ballistics also weigh into their guilt, not just JW's testimony.

 

[arielilane]

Agree, he is a psycho, but the evidence clearly shows there was more than one shooter. Prosecution has to make sure the confession fits the evidence.

It's not the prosecution's job to allow Jake to spare his family, even if he feels guilty for making them go along with this horrendous plan.

Yes, you're correct as usual, there were different bullets found to have killed HR and FR than the bullets that killed CRsr. and GR at that crime scene.