OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #82
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Don't forget those 18 bales of hay stacked on top of that contraption told in testimony which would have bowed that plywood into a V shape. 60 lbs x 18 = 1080 lbs on top of plywood. They would have been crushed and lucky if they were alive after leaving peterson rd at 9 and arriving to CRs at 11. 2 hours with at least (depending on the type hay because some hay bales weigh up to 100 lbs each) 1080 lbs (that is one half ton of hay) sitting on top of them with the tailgate closed. Laughable.
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Afternoon break.
Judge Deering now talking about a snippet of "this Boondock Saints thing" that had played. Now, Deering said he wants to know where we're going with this line of questioning. Canepa talks about Jake saying he dyed his hair to look like Norman Reedus
Canepa says the dad joins in and looks a lot like Billy with the "duster and gadgets." Last part of movie, dad has convo with with his best friend he was going to kill. It's about a scorpion and a frog
The dad told the friend that he shouldn't have trusted him. Scorpion will sting you. Canepa says the jury can make the inference. Jake admits to watching it and showing it to Jake.
Judge Deering says "for those of us who get our entertainment from elsewhere what is this frog story?" or something to that effect. Canepa says it's a fable. Deering is worried jury might be confused if they haven't seen the movie
I watched the Boondock Saints movie when it first came up in the case in 2018 or 2019. Not my taste at all. I could barely finish it.
Now Andy Wilson brings up "Natural Born Killers" and how when that came out there were some killings. He's citing case law.
John P. Parker: we object to this. No 9 mm used. This whole fable of the scorpion and the frog - there's no evidence of a conversation between Billy and Chris that would even come close. This seems "desperate." It's speculation
Andy Wilson "we think it's relevant." Talks about Boondock Saints involving two vigilante brothers in similar clothing, etc.
Nash chimes in about inference stacking. Says this shouldn't make it to the jury. Wilson says it's not inference stacking.
Parker: Are we going to bring in a movie in every criminal prosecution?
Deering: My thought has to with the snippet that was played and it being played in close proximity to the murders
Canepa says she sent this to the defense as supplemental discovery. Deering "You sent the movies?" Canepa, "no, I figured they could get it off the inter webs."
Afternoon break.
Judge Deering now talking about a snippet of "this Boondock Saints thing" that had played. Now, Deering said he wants to know where we're going with this line of questioning. Canepa talks about Jake saying he dyed his hair to look like Norman Reedus
Canepa says the dad joins in and looks a lot like Billy with the "duster and gadgets." Last part of movie, dad has convo with with his best friend he was going to kill. It's about a scorpion and a frog
The dad told the friend that he shouldn't have trusted him. Scorpion will sting you. Canepa says the jury can make the inference. Jake admits to watching it and showing it to Jake.
Judge Deering says "for those of us who get our entertainment from elsewhere what is this frog story?" or something to that effect. Canepa says it's a fable. Deering is worried jury might be confused if they haven't seen the movie
I watched the Boondock Saints movie when it first came up in the case in 2018 or 2019. Not my taste at all. I could barely finish it.
Now Andy Wilson brings up "Natural Born Killers" and how when that came out there were some killings. He's citing case law.
John P. Parker: we object to this. No 9 mm used. This whole fable of the scorpion and the frog - there's no evidence of a conversation between Billy and Chris that would even come close. This seems "desperate." It's speculation
Andy Wilson "we think it's relevant." Talks about Boondock Saints involving two vigilante brothers in similar clothing, etc.
Nash chimes in about inference stacking. Says this shouldn't make it to the jury. Wilson says it's not inference stacking.
Parker: Are we going to bring in a movie in every criminal prosecution?
Deering: My thought has to with the snippet that was played and it being played in close proximity to the murders
Canepa says she sent this to the defense as supplemental discovery. Deering "You sent the movies?" Canepa, "no, I figured they could get it off the inter webs."
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Judge asked jurors to leave while they argue an issue concerning the Boondock Saints clip. He's concerned about how the state plans to link this up. Prosecution is explaining the similarities between the movie and what they believe to be the Wagners' motive for murder.
It is a story about two brothers who conduct killings of people they feel deserve to die. prosecutor said in the end of the movie, the father tells a scorpion and frog fable. So, prosecution tells judge that could be why Billy got the scorpion tattoo on "trigger finger”.
Prosecution is explaining to the judge that they think this movie was inspiration for the Wagners. They think it's relevant. They are prepared to show that through screen shots instead of playing the movies.
Defense telling judge it's speculation. Defense says as for the tattoos, they're trying to convince jury to take some inferred meaning from expressed statements.
It's taking an object, for example, a scorpion. They're asking the jury to imply something from that. John Parker said, "I don't think there's factual basis for what they're asking here.”
Judge said, "Yet, we have this snippet of the movie sent out close in proximity to the time these murders occurred.”
Defense Attorney Richard Nash said to the judge: "It's just inference stacking on inference stacking." Prosecutor Andrew Wilson: Direct evidence that it's his favorite movie, they watched a clip of it the night of the murders, direct evidence that they quoted it all the time.
Judge: My thought has to do with this snippet that was played and the timing it was played in close proximity to these murders... that opens the door to whether this movie has a connection or not.
Judge said the defense can argue against it, but the state should not be precluded from trying to draw that conclusion.
Judge asked jurors to leave while they argue an issue concerning the Boondock Saints clip. He's concerned about how the state plans to link this up. Prosecution is explaining the similarities between the movie and what they believe to be the Wagners' motive for murder.
It is a story about two brothers who conduct killings of people they feel deserve to die. prosecutor said in the end of the movie, the father tells a scorpion and frog fable. So, prosecution tells judge that could be why Billy got the scorpion tattoo on "trigger finger”.
Prosecution is explaining to the judge that they think this movie was inspiration for the Wagners. They think it's relevant. They are prepared to show that through screen shots instead of playing the movies.
Defense telling judge it's speculation. Defense says as for the tattoos, they're trying to convince jury to take some inferred meaning from expressed statements.
It's taking an object, for example, a scorpion. They're asking the jury to imply something from that. John Parker said, "I don't think there's factual basis for what they're asking here.”
Judge said, "Yet, we have this snippet of the movie sent out close in proximity to the time these murders occurred.”
Defense Attorney Richard Nash said to the judge: "It's just inference stacking on inference stacking." Prosecutor Andrew Wilson: Direct evidence that it's his favorite movie, they watched a clip of it the night of the murders, direct evidence that they quoted it all the time.
Judge: My thought has to do with this snippet that was played and the timing it was played in close proximity to these murders... that opens the door to whether this movie has a connection or not.
Judge said the defense can argue against it, but the state should not be precluded from trying to draw that conclusion.
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Just to clarify... The scorpion and the frog fable is at the end of Boondocks Saints 2.
Another break for the attorneys,.. 10 more minutes?
Another break for the attorneys,.. 10 more minutes?
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O/TUm, shouldn't you be resting, Raisin? Please don't push yourself.
Um, shouldn't you be resting, Raisin? Please don't push yourself.
In bed now. No dances today to honor Elder Brothers 90 + years of life and accomplishments. He is a huge loss not only to me and my family but also to my tribe. So many other tribes presenting dances because so many times he lead the charge to get us rights we should have been born with as citizens of this country.
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But did he plan and participate? MOO George learned his family killed the R's at the border in MT. That is why he was so upset. That is when he figured it out with BCI help. So by the time they were driving in 2018 yes he knew.
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Kinda makes you think the universe was sending a message.
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May be an empath.Sometimes kiddos live and learn the hard way!
All of mine have meaning as well. I waited until 35 to get my first one.. then it went from shoulder to full sleeve in less than 6 months. I just knew what I wanted and didn't get one until I was 100% sure.
I do find it rather suspicious the one this tattoo artist happened to plan out or pick because George maybe said wing it, was so well symbolic of something he has nothing to do with. That tattoo artist is just THAT good I suppose.
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Adjourned for the day. Defense gets all night to come with a question. 
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I missed the reason for this. What did the defense say? They just wanted to end the day and come back to cross examine him? They just returned from a break so I'm not clear on why this was agreed to.Adjourned for the day. Defense gets all night to come with a question.
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Back from break: Judge Deering allows Ryan Scheiderer to testify about the scorpion and the frog conversation from Boondock Saints. Now, this is displayed for the jury. Showing the brothers with guns with silencers
Now, Scheiderer shows a screen grab of the dad from the movie getting into a shootout.
Despite defense objection, Scheiderer and prosecutors display a still shot of one of the brothers with a tattoo on their index finger holding a Baretta firearm (Jake said originally they planned to use a Baretta pistol)
Scheiderer says he's familiar with Barettas since he was a firearms instructor and armorer.
Now a screen grab of the two brothers from Boondock Saints
Court in recess for the day after testimony ended with BCI Agent Ryan Scheiderer answering questions about "The Boondock Saints" movies, showing screen grabs from the movies, etc. over defense objections.
Tomorrow, the state's case should wrap up with wiretaps being played from 2018. BCI bugged the truck George and Jake were driving for R&L Carriers. Hearing n the clips that prosecutors want to play tomorrow.
Back from break: Judge Deering allows Ryan Scheiderer to testify about the scorpion and the frog conversation from Boondock Saints. Now, this is displayed for the jury. Showing the brothers with guns with silencers
Now, Scheiderer shows a screen grab of the dad from the movie getting into a shootout.
Despite defense objection, Scheiderer and prosecutors display a still shot of one of the brothers with a tattoo on their index finger holding a Baretta firearm (Jake said originally they planned to use a Baretta pistol)
Scheiderer says he's familiar with Barettas since he was a firearms instructor and armorer.
Now a screen grab of the two brothers from Boondock Saints
Court in recess for the day after testimony ended with BCI Agent Ryan Scheiderer answering questions about "The Boondock Saints" movies, showing screen grabs from the movies, etc. over defense objections.
Tomorrow, the state's case should wrap up with wiretaps being played from 2018. BCI bugged the truck George and Jake were driving for R&L Carriers. Hearing n the clips that prosecutors want to play tomorrow.
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Trial resumes tomorrow...
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I'm assuming just due to the time, it was about 4:15 when defense asked to recess instead of cross exam.
He and George dyed their hair dark to match their favorite character from the TV show The Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon. To psych himself up before the murders, he said he watched a clip from the movie Boondock Saints; he smiled and held back laughter in the courtroom when the prosecution made him watch the clip in court.
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Pike County murder trial: 'I felt I had no other choice than to kill Hanna,' Jake Wagner told jury
The seventh week of the trial of a man accused of murdering eight people in Pike County in 2016 began Monday as the prosecution continued its case.
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During last session, prosecutors run through several scenes from the movie using still shots. That ends the day - defense will cross examine in the morning following a final hearing involving those wiretaps.
During last session, prosecutors run through several scenes from the movie using still shots. That ends the day - defense will cross examine in the morning following a final hearing involving those wiretaps.
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Perhaps the jury will get the case by next Monday?
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Schiederer mentioned they were monitoring post made by AW on the now closed chat site. He also siad he was posting on the site to get a reaction from AW. Id like to know who their usernames were on the site. Jmo
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