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WATCH: Pastor Kelly Cinereski, from the Wagners' church in Seward, Alaska, takes the stand in
#GeorgeWagnerIV's defense case
Cinereski knew the Wagners in Ohio when he worked as a pastor and the Wagners attended his church in Alaska when they moved there. He said they met the Wagners in 2002, 2003
He met Fredericka, Billy, Angela, George and Jake. GW4 was still a young teen when he met him. Cinereski said they were very active in his church in Ohio. He said the Wagners worked hard. "Anything a church does, they were there.”
Wagners went through discipleship program for 16 weeks. He said Billy wanted to turn his life around and live a different life.
When asked about the differences between Jake and George: "In short, George was smart and Jake was trouble.”
Cinereski said he flew in from Alaska to perform the wedding ceremony between George and Tabi.
Quote:
"He said Billy wanted to turn his life around and live a different life."
What? Become a killer? This only shows how much of a good chance in life Billy had, all this support he had to take a law abiding way of life, working legit jobs, and stop being "Bad Billy."
Shows Billy was very aware of the different life paths he could have taken but very deliberately chose a destructive crime ridden murderous path in life.
This also shows George was exposed to good law abiding people outside of his family and that despite how
smart and helpful he could be, he very deliberately chose to become a criminal. Including mistreating his wife and keeping her away from their son, then eventually committing murders.
It "sets in stone" the Wagners knew the right way to handle problems and could have gotten advice and help from their pastor regarding any concerns over how S was treated etc....
When Angela said she thought there were physical signs of abuse, (inserting objects for bubble gum, redness, odors) she was asked why she didn't go to a doctor. She said she didn't know. I believe she said that because it wasn't true. I believe if it was true she would have broke the speed limit getting the child to a doctor so it could be medically documented. A doctor and a CPS's counselor, documenting abuse, is what would have helped Jake get custody.
To keep/help get custody, the Wagners were looking for "dirt" on the mothers through computer hacking and having people spy etc....The Wagner Crime Family was looking for abuse, so if it had been true that there was physical evidence of abuse (plus from what S said) they would have pounced on that like a hungry cheetah who hasn't eaten in 3 days and got it officially documented from doctors, counselors, CPS etc... This could have gotten Jake official joint custody, or something from court in writing regarding his parental rights etc....
The Wagners had no evidence of any abuse and even went so far as to accuse Frankie of being inappropriate for letting a not yet 2 year old kiss him on the lips and saying Chris Jr. was rough with her.
Jake admitted no abuse happened, only that it could happen if the wrong person were around his daughter, and he even said he didn't want to wait for it to happen, meaning nothing happened. Then he tried to make it sound like Hanna wasn't concerned about it.
So to save face in prison and with Fred, Angie and Jake are trying to use abuse as an excuse for murdering 8 people. No. Any signs of abuse they would have documented. They were the type of people who documented everything.
Hiring a custody lawyer who had a ton of files, saving countless screenshots from hacking Facebook messages, tub of important papers, fake custody documents, shoe receipt, plus saving:
Custody Messages - 1 Excel Sheet (519 entries) from Discovery.
It seemed his interactions were when they were much younger. Funny for being close friends they didn't make effort to go see them in Alaska. So his son was actually the pastor of the church the Wagner's went to and his guy pastors a church about 90 miles away, but was there preaching when Angela, Jake, the kids were there. Didn't sound like they made too much effort to reconnect with their old buddy.
Guilty of 8 murders, no surprise they avoided their old Pastor.
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