OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #82

[Pru2U]

OMG - "alot like this case, correct" LMAO -- Schneider - I SAID NO

I hope Scheiderer is the one to write the first book. You can clearly see (and hear) how passionate he is about this case. Plus, he has the most background on the case floating around in his brain. Wasn't he there the morning of the discovery?

 

[pcrum12]

I hope Scheiderer is the one to write the first book. You can clearly see (and hear) how passionate he is about this case. Plus, he has the most background on the case floating around in his brain. Wasn't he there the morning of the discovery?

yes

 

[Tillicum]

I can honestly say that after this, I don't think I can sit through/watch/follow Billy's trial. I'll probably watch opening and closing statements and follow deliberations, verdict watch and verdict.

 

[Chelly]

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WATCH: OH v. #GeorgeWagnerIV. Lead case agent Ryan Scheiderer back on the stand this AM for cross-examination. Expect to hear wiretaps and other secretly recorded convos between GW4 and Jake Wagner befor state rests https://youtube.com/watch?v=N4b-_TDcqV0…
@LawCrimeNetwork

 

[Pru2U]

Defense argument about exhaust fumes is a moot point. It's not a factor if the truck had a tailpipe, and probably even if it had no exhaust pipes at all. I rode from Ohio to Florida on a chaise lawn chair in the back of a pickup with a topper on it. 16 hours. I also made the return trip.

The only time I've strapped down hay is when it was stacked extra high and headed down the freeway. When you load the bales you interlock each bale on top of each other and alternate which direction the bales are turned, the entire load is being held except the top layer. The top layer is usually fewer bales, just holding the ends of the bales underneath but not extending to the edge.

If I'm George I'm saying c'mon guys, is this all we have?!! At this point he's just trying to enjoy the ride to court. moo

Right. And a lot of farmers grow thiet own so it's usually transported short distances like from one field down the road a piece to where it's stored or needed. A longer distance haul could be a purchase for say, a horse farm that doesn't grow their own supply. I think there would definitely be flying debris once the truck got under way but at a certain point, the loose hay is mostly shed.

That being said, it is a very good point no one noticed hay debris from opening & closing the truck bed at CRs.

 

[arielilane]

On The Stand: Ryan Scheiderer - Lead Investigator

Gathering James' tweets in progress...

 

[Pru2U]

I can honestly say that after this, I don't think I can sit through/watch/follow Billy's trial. I'll probably watch opening and closing statements and follow deliberations, verdict watch and verdict.

I'll send you the tweets

 

[pcrum12]

you got to admit Palmer is conducting a good cross examination

 

[ColMustard]

Right. And a lot of farmers grow thiet own so it's usually transported short distances like from one field down the road a piece to where it's stored or needed. A longer distance haul could be a purchase for say, a horse farm that doesn't grow their own supply. I think there would definitely be flying debris once the truck got under way but at a certain point, the loose hay is mostly shed.

That being said, it is a very good point no one noticed hay debris from opening & closing the truck bed at CRs.

I agree, but the tailgate probably isn't in contact holding back any hay. The whole idea is a false bottom, and a false load. Anything loose on top would've already blown off.

There could've been no hay at all. The duo only needs to be concealed as the truck pulls up and parks. Once the tailgate is opened it's almost over.

 

[ColMustard]

For a moment I expected him to ask what color the sheets were in the bunk.

Edit: Sorry, I'm being too cynical.

 

[LeftEyed]

For you day one Topix folks: Get it now?

 

[ColMustard]

For you day one Topix folks: Get it now?

What are we getting, or not getting?

Edit: I get that Wagners were on there, and BCI too.

 

[Pru2U]

I agree, but the tailgate probably isn't in contact holding back any hay. The whole idea is a false bottom, and a false load. Anything loose on top would've already blown off.

There could've been no hay at all. The duo only needs to be concealed as the truck pulls up and parks. Once the tailgate is opened it's almost over.

Not to argue, but loose hay would have most likely fallen between the crack between board & tailgate, I really do believe it would have been pushed out when they "slithered out". IF there was hay to begin with.
JMO

BTW @rsd1200 I almost went cross eyed looking through tweets & still haven't found the reporting on where they parked the truck or even anything using the term "slithered out". I'm sure it's here somewhere but I called uncle.

 

[ColMustard]

Not to argue, but loose hay would have most likely fallen between the crack between board & tailgate, I really do believe it would have been pushed out when they "slithered out". IF there was hay to begin with.
JMO

BTW @rsd1200 I almost went cross eyed looking through tweets & still haven't found the reporting on where they parked the truck or even anything using the term "slithered out". I'm sure it's here somewhere but I called uncle.

I agree, it blows everywhere and ends up in your pockets. Could have been overlooked, being a farm setting, depending on how much in one spot. Could've been no hay at all. There's also a mower sitting there, and probably straw around for the animal's bedding.

I think "slither" came from AC recounting the proffer in opening statements.

 

[Myland]

I agree, but the tailgate probably isn't in contact holding back any hay. The whole idea is a false bottom, and a false load. Anything loose on top would've already blown off.

There could've been no hay at all. The duo only needs to be concealed as the truck pulls up and parks. Once the tailgate is opened it's almost over.

Jmo then Jake lied about things if not they way state said.

 

[ColMustard]

Jmo then Jake lied about things if not they way state said.

He could have lied. But he only has to testify to the satisfaction of the state.

 

[Pru2U]

I think "slither" came from AC recounting the proffer in opening statements.

I wish, but that wss the first place I checked. I went through OS & all direct testimony. I suspect it came out in cross or re-direct but I fell asleep then gave up.

 

[dgfred]

<modsnip - off topic> I began to think about george. I divided it into 3 phases.

The planning

the participation

the coverup.

Billy assigned them jobs.

Angie - buy supplies
Jake - get vehicle and guns and ammo and make silencers
Billy- watch the r's and decide when the time is right
George...........nothing, no job, You don't find that odd that george did not get a job assigned to him?

Billy planned murders:
Billy planned murders while out on the road with jake
billy planned murders under the carport with angie
billy planned murders with george............nowhere..billy did not plan murders with george. You dont find it odd that billy who's idea it was, who had his finger all in this never discussed or planned the murders with george? Why? because he did not want to go another 20 rounds with george who may have put an end to billys big plan by telling jake and angie you are not doing this.

The participation.

Billy stops the truck and asks jake if he wants to go through with this.
Billy asks george........nothing. because george was not in the truck.

Jake tells george to shoot, george froze, jake takes the gun and fire.
Billy goes bat shyte crazy and jake has to calm him down.
George does.........nothing. because george was not there.

The cover up.

george wakes up late. jake is already up. why? some sleepytime medicine in his food the night before?
George gets upset BCI is digging up farm. why? defense gets in to evidence in front of the jury that george thinks the man he sold the farm to is going to sue him because BCI is tearing up the farm, damaging it.
George is upset at the MT border, yelling a bw, did angel mom tell his she saw tabbi there talking to BW? or did BCI let george know about the casings, evidence from the searches they had and it sinks in on george that his mom, dad and brother did this. So much so that when he gets to alaska he wants to take his son and move in with a woman alone.

I tell you what else I think is a joke. george slithering out of the back of that truck loaded down with 18 bales of hay, which would have put it almost sitting on the ground, crawling underneath it with a red hot muffler after they drove it for 2 hours, crawling behind the back tire and still under the truck lays underneath it with a sks rifle. All in jakes testimony. Now if jake had thrown in a hydraulic jack i just might have believed it. But one capable of lifting a 3000 lbs truck and 1080 to 1800 lbs of hay.

<modsnip - off topic>

JMO

Dang... although I don't agree with you.

You, and only you... should have been on the defense team. At least you would give the jury a little to think over.

No way GW did not know what was going on. Before, during and after.

 

[Chelly]

Watching this morning's live stream: Parker, while cross examining Scheiderer this morning, was standing shoulder to shoulder to this witness for several minutes. It appeared very intimidating. They were reading from the same sheets of paper. Parker seemed to be trying to rattle Scheiderer.

 

[Pru2U]

What are we getting, or not getting?

Edit: I get that Wagners were on there, and BCI too.

Of course. There were PCSO's on there too, but I doubt there were too many LEOs hanging out AFTER the arrests still defending the W's.