OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #82
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Because the defense decided to wait until after the trial started to bring it up. This is why they did it, so the judge gets PO'ed the prosecution gets defensive and everyone gets impatient.
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Yes, pretty sure I heard them leave.
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Wouldn't they have to give BW a different judge because Junk was a prosecutor in one of the other conspirators? That's would be a conflict no?Was just thinking, if Judge Deering retires next year and GW4 is convicted, any appeals that GW4 makes will be handled by the appeals court
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Deering's term expires Feb 8, 2023
Whomever replaces Judge Deering (allegedly Rob Junk), may preside over Billy's trial.
ETA: Junk is running unopposed
PIKE COUNTY COMMON PLEAS JUDGE
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Oh so we won't hear these today?
Why didn't the judge announce yesterday or this morning that they would be spending all of today arguing over wiretaps evidence? It's like this trial is being run minute by minute with no advance planning.
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Oh so one of the conversations George takes responsibility for the bug detector. The one purchased on his card, that the defense tried to say Angela bought with his account without his knowledge.
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I guess if I wss a criminal, and a murderer like 4, Id want the likes of nash and parker on my side to muddy the waters. They have nothing in defense of their client. They have silly games because they are never prepared.
Conversely, if Im sitting on the jury Id find it difficult to give the defense any leeway.
Smiley must be having a hardy laugh.
Conversely, if Im sitting on the jury Id find it difficult to give the defense any leeway.
Smiley must be having a hardy laugh.
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He's running down the list for a recap.
Anyone keeping score? I had to cut away for a bit.
Edit: OMG debating bringing the jury back in now. Heehaw.
As a juror I must find this court in contempt.
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Every now and then I get a creepy feeling that for Angela it was also about her level of control and power over her husband and sons— that she could manipulate them into doing anything for her, including murder. JMO.
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She does strike me as that type of personality also.
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About to start afternoon session of Wagner trial in Pike Co. back on record with no jury. Still working through the recordings and transcripts of wiretaps.
Now doing a hearing about transcripts defense has issues with - judge says one had been added later and wasn't in original group.
Some of these wiretaps are on phone calls not in the truck. Defense argues those are very clear and no listening aid are not needed. Prosecution says there needs to be help identifying who is talking when with multiple voices.
Canepa: "It doesn't hurt to have this it will only help." Defense objects to that. Deering will alow them to use these in courtroom during testimony - not in jury room in deliberations. The evidence are the tapes not the transcripts. Now going to argue each one.
First one up for debate - showing the family working as a family. Nowhere is there discord. George asking for money from grandmother as they wait for insurance money. And that George sold catalytic converters.
Prosecution says this shows finances all intertwined against what defense are argued. This insurance money is from George's truck Jake wrecked with Chris Newcomb inside. Deering allows it to be withheld - doesn't see the relevance.
Next one - defense wants to exclude conversation with Beth and Jake where Beth complains about living with Angela. That objection overruled and it will be allowed.
Next one - defense wants entire 21 minutes used for context. Prosecution only pulled 4-5 minutes.
George is upset because Jake's daughter called Beth “Mommy"
Judge will rule onto later. Onto the eighth one - objection overruled. Don't know what the content was.
Ninth one: Prosecutor: George says only way they can get into trouble is if they cave and they crumble and he's going on offensive. He's saying what to say and do
Objection overruled for that one. Next one - defense wants to omit because it involves other improper acts or a possible threat - it is not a true threat.
Defense says none of charges George faces involve making threats. Also not a true threat because George was possibly on other side of the country.
Prosecution: threats to law enforcement officers investigating you is possible admission of guilt therefore are relevant.
Canepa also reads snippet of transcript: George says something about crumbling and holding the line with regard to crimes. Judge will allow it, also allowing picture sent by George to Angela of a letter of some sort.
That is also allowed given it went from George's phone, and they later talked about it on phone.
Another snippet - Jake and Angela making plans for their arrests. Prosecutors say it shows group think of family - defense says it's hearsay and also doesn't involve George.
Next one involves George saying something vulgar about BCI agent Ryan Scheiderer - prosecutor says this is George's statement. Threats to law enforcement is probative to case. Also shows George knows they are being listened to.
George says Ryan I know you're listening to this. Deering says this is relevant part is relevant. But says rest is a rant and is not relevant. Prejudicial aspect outweighs probative aspect. Will allow the part about listened to aspect, but not the rest.
Next one defense objects to George talking to Chris Newcomb. Talks about "Olympics" - a reference to poaching deer. George says we should know their plans by October (regarding law enforcement and arrest)
Jake had previously testified "Olympics" meant poaching/hunting season.
Wagners also thought they were going to get arrested right before the election in 2018. Deering holding off on ruling - saying he doesn't remember Jake testifying to that. Prosecutor says the call includes more context if needed.
Next one: another threat and possibly throwing investigators off the track. Judge allows it
Next one: Prosecutor says its strong evidence showing George and Angela discussed welfare of Jake's daughter. That George was also involved in that decision as well as what happened to Jake's wife at the time.
A huge fight over this - as testy as we've ever gotten in hearings, with Parker saying "that's the flaw in your case" regarding George and his involvement. It involved George expressing concern over Jake's daughter. Judge allows it to be played as well as next one.
Not been able to do play by play, but Deering is keeping most of these. One was how George said one of the guns wasn't his, when it was - and he knew they were being listened to.
Next one: George says "The family has spoken" when it comes to removing Beth Ann. It is allowed to be played.
Following one is omitted and withheld regarding George talking too much.
Canepa says one of them is probative because it shows George was in the thick of it. But Deering not allowing any one involving George getting an attorney. Canepa wants stipulation that John Clark was George's lawyer too at that point.
But Deering allows next recording regarding getting a lawyer for Rita Newcomb for handwriting sample issue.
Another one banned: Argument between George and Jake over fight between their kids - who hit who first? Judge sustains objection
Next one - Jake saying he bought Winter Soldier mask for George (on same day be bought over stuff for homicides). Judge will allow that
Next one - George takes ownership for buying bug detector, but defense gets judge to say prosecutors need to add more time to recording for context
Text message string involving picture of murder weapon from Jake's phone. Apparently Billy was looking for 1911 gun asking Angela - who asked George and Jake?
That one allowed. Next one is conversation b/w George and Jake arguing over who's watching their kids. That one is banned by Deering. Next one between George and Angela allowed - possibly shows George still part of family unit - will be allowed
By my count, judge overruled 20 objections, there were about 7-8 with no objection, he sustained about 14-15 objections. And 7 were left for later. Not exact. Looks as if they're letting the jury go today without testimony.
About to start afternoon session of Wagner trial in Pike Co. back on record with no jury. Still working through the recordings and transcripts of wiretaps.
Now doing a hearing about transcripts defense has issues with - judge says one had been added later and wasn't in original group.
Some of these wiretaps are on phone calls not in the truck. Defense argues those are very clear and no listening aid are not needed. Prosecution says there needs to be help identifying who is talking when with multiple voices.
Canepa: "It doesn't hurt to have this it will only help." Defense objects to that. Deering will alow them to use these in courtroom during testimony - not in jury room in deliberations. The evidence are the tapes not the transcripts. Now going to argue each one.
First one up for debate - showing the family working as a family. Nowhere is there discord. George asking for money from grandmother as they wait for insurance money. And that George sold catalytic converters.
Prosecution says this shows finances all intertwined against what defense are argued. This insurance money is from George's truck Jake wrecked with Chris Newcomb inside. Deering allows it to be withheld - doesn't see the relevance.
Next one - defense wants to exclude conversation with Beth and Jake where Beth complains about living with Angela. That objection overruled and it will be allowed.
Next one - defense wants entire 21 minutes used for context. Prosecution only pulled 4-5 minutes.
George is upset because Jake's daughter called Beth “Mommy"
Judge will rule onto later. Onto the eighth one - objection overruled. Don't know what the content was.
Ninth one: Prosecutor: George says only way they can get into trouble is if they cave and they crumble and he's going on offensive. He's saying what to say and do
Objection overruled for that one. Next one - defense wants to omit because it involves other improper acts or a possible threat - it is not a true threat.
Defense says none of charges George faces involve making threats. Also not a true threat because George was possibly on other side of the country.
Prosecution: threats to law enforcement officers investigating you is possible admission of guilt therefore are relevant.
Canepa also reads snippet of transcript: George says something about crumbling and holding the line with regard to crimes. Judge will allow it, also allowing picture sent by George to Angela of a letter of some sort.
That is also allowed given it went from George's phone, and they later talked about it on phone.
Another snippet - Jake and Angela making plans for their arrests. Prosecutors say it shows group think of family - defense says it's hearsay and also doesn't involve George.
Next one involves George saying something vulgar about BCI agent Ryan Scheiderer - prosecutor says this is George's statement. Threats to law enforcement is probative to case. Also shows George knows they are being listened to.
George says Ryan I know you're listening to this. Deering says this is relevant part is relevant. But says rest is a rant and is not relevant. Prejudicial aspect outweighs probative aspect. Will allow the part about listened to aspect, but not the rest.
Next one defense objects to George talking to Chris Newcomb. Talks about "Olympics" - a reference to poaching deer. George says we should know their plans by October (regarding law enforcement and arrest)
Jake had previously testified "Olympics" meant poaching/hunting season.
Wagners also thought they were going to get arrested right before the election in 2018. Deering holding off on ruling - saying he doesn't remember Jake testifying to that. Prosecutor says the call includes more context if needed.
Next one: another threat and possibly throwing investigators off the track. Judge allows it
Next one: Prosecutor says its strong evidence showing George and Angela discussed welfare of Jake's daughter. That George was also involved in that decision as well as what happened to Jake's wife at the time.
A huge fight over this - as testy as we've ever gotten in hearings, with Parker saying "that's the flaw in your case" regarding George and his involvement. It involved George expressing concern over Jake's daughter. Judge allows it to be played as well as next one.
Not been able to do play by play, but Deering is keeping most of these. One was how George said one of the guns wasn't his, when it was - and he knew they were being listened to.
Next one: George says "The family has spoken" when it comes to removing Beth Ann. It is allowed to be played.
Following one is omitted and withheld regarding George talking too much.
Canepa says one of them is probative because it shows George was in the thick of it. But Deering not allowing any one involving George getting an attorney. Canepa wants stipulation that John Clark was George's lawyer too at that point.
But Deering allows next recording regarding getting a lawyer for Rita Newcomb for handwriting sample issue.
Another one banned: Argument between George and Jake over fight between their kids - who hit who first? Judge sustains objection
Next one - Jake saying he bought Winter Soldier mask for George (on same day be bought over stuff for homicides). Judge will allow that
Next one - George takes ownership for buying bug detector, but defense gets judge to say prosecutors need to add more time to recording for context
Text message string involving picture of murder weapon from Jake's phone. Apparently Billy was looking for 1911 gun asking Angela - who asked George and Jake?
That one allowed. Next one is conversation b/w George and Jake arguing over who's watching their kids. That one is banned by Deering. Next one between George and Angela allowed - possibly shows George still part of family unit - will be allowed
By my count, judge overruled 20 objections, there were about 7-8 with no objection, he sustained about 14-15 objections. And 7 were left for later. Not exact. Looks as if they're letting the jury go today without testimony.
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Listening to the attys and judge discussing recordings. I have to agree that some that AC wants to present have been testified to ad nauseum and doesn't present GW's part in the murders. I don't think any of the recordings will, as I understand them. They knew they were being recorded. This trial has been drug out. I understand the state...and I'm on their side...wants the jury to see enough to convict GW and I think they have seen and heard enough to do that. Minus a video of the actual murders at every scene, it is clear that GW4 was there, had a weapon, conspired to plan and cover up. People have been convicted and sentenced to LWOP and DP on less. The state needs to rest and let the defense flounder at presenting some sort of case for their client.
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So the state has to go over 7 or 8 recordings the defense has objected to and decide if they want to play them? Something along those lines. The defense wants to play more of it for context or for some other reason just completely doesn't want it in so the state is going to relisten and determine if each is 100% needed to be played and if they are then they will present the reasonings to the judge then.
I think this makes sense if a couple have been excluded and the defense is putting up a fight about some of the others, they can present the reason they need it clearly and then let the judge decide. I am guessing they didn't know the defense objected to the actual recordings and was believed to only object to the transcripts?
I think it makes sense to seal the deal they need to regroup with having some excluded and possibly some others excluded they need to get a good argument for why they are needed and then bring this case home by playing them with as little objections as possible.
She said the state could rest tomorrow! Defense has an expert flying in Thursday so that witness will testify either way. Any guesses on who this expert is?
I think this makes sense if a couple have been excluded and the defense is putting up a fight about some of the others, they can present the reason they need it clearly and then let the judge decide. I am guessing they didn't know the defense objected to the actual recordings and was believed to only object to the transcripts?
I think it makes sense to seal the deal they need to regroup with having some excluded and possibly some others excluded they need to get a good argument for why they are needed and then bring this case home by playing them with as little objections as possible.
She said the state could rest tomorrow! Defense has an expert flying in Thursday so that witness will testify either way. Any guesses on who this expert is?
Recess until tomorrow morning.
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