OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#40

[Puzzles8]

A lot of people with criminal records are parenting kids. Even a DUI is “criminal”. IMO
G4 was allowed to have his child around AW/G3???

Hypothetically, if JW had S in his possession for visitation & simply did not return her, what might have happened? If LE dropped by to find out what the deal was & JW reveals the bed bugs, lack of space, etc., would LE returned S or would they ordered an investigation, or what? (Prior to the new trailer home)

Children are brought to prisons all the time to visit an incarcerated parent. I know of no law that can deny custody based on the past criminal record of an occupant in the home. Unless record pertains to child abuse & the person is not to around minor children.

As far as I know, AW was allowed to be with S during visitations & JW ultimately got custody of S, with AW in the picture. So, essentially, he did get custody. Smh evidently AWs background mattered none.

And if LE dropped by, a W might have shown/given them a forged custody document....
MOO and speculating

 

[rsd1200]

Ahh, I’ve picked the brains of an atty friend today as well as that of a WS Verified Atty.
I even went further, I invited RL atty for steaks on the grill tomorrow. He asked if it would be a Q & A session. I replied: “see you around 7”.

Are you taking questions from the Board?

 

[Trudie]

Actually, if you discussed the case with one of the WS verified attorneys in a message, you are allowed to post the information here. They don't mind. I've done this numerous times with gitana.

Are you sure? How can I incorporate the answer from RL atty, into the post & convo? Let me guess, I can’t!? I’m trying to RL to register, but he’s stubborn. He reads & laughs, considers this a “time bandit”, concluding at the end of the day, we still know nothing more than what’s reported. He’s about accurate.

 

[Betty P]

Moving forward......what stands out to y’all in the indictments?

JMO, the specificity and details in all the counts indicates to me that LE has a lot of evidence against the W's.

Phone, video, internet, text, social media, possibly GPS etc. - I've always assumed they were quickly able to retrieve a great deal of information about cell phones, texts, internet activity, etc. in the days and weeks after the murders. The charges of hacking, surveillance, etc. and specific dates indicate LE has been able to track and retrieve a large amount of data from the phones and accounts of both the victims, witnesses and the W family

The charges also indicate LE has significant ballistic and similar evidence about weapons used and who used them. The silencer evidence, from what we know, seems very strong.

Specifics about purchases online by the W's and at Walmart, etc. are also very strong

DNA - early on in the case, Manleys mentioned submitting DNA buccal swabs to LE. JMO, that indicates the killers left DNA at the crime scene.

What’s next in the Pike County murders investigation?

The mention of the John Doe and the discussion of conspiracy charges indicates LE may have audio recordings of some of the meetings and discussions. If true, they will be very damning, because it would be difficult for the Wagners to discuss plans for revenge without also discussing the fact that they killed the Rhodens & HHG.

Thought the indictments don't refer directly to them, the final autopsy reports, along with crime scene evidence, probably give a very detailed picture of how the murders were carried out, who was present, who did the shooting, etc. Combined with the other evidence they've gathered from cell phones, internet activity, etc. they probably know the timeline of the murders.

Reference to the W's surveillance and pre-planning (with a specific date of when it began) also indicate a great deal of evidence, electronic and otherwise, that has been gathered from the W's.

JMO, their collective geese are cooked. I'm guessing once DeWine, et al decided to stop focusing on the Manleys and turned to the W's all the puzzle pieces suddenly fell into place.

 

[Puzzles8]

JMO, the specificity and details in all the counts indicates to me that LE has a lot of evidence against the W's.

Phone, video, internet, text, social media, possibly GPS etc. - I've always assumed they were quickly able to retrieve a great deal of information about cell phones, texts, internet activity, etc. in the days and weeks after the murders. The charges of hacking, surveillance, etc. and specific dates indicate LE has been able to track and retrieve a large amount of data from the phones and accounts of both the victims, witnesses and the W family

The charges also indicate LE has significant ballistic and similar evidence about weapons used and who used them. The silencer evidence, from what we know, seems very strong.

Specifics about purchases online by the W's and at Walmart, etc. are also very strong

DNA - early on in the case, Manleys mentioned submitting DNA buccal swabs to LE. JMO, that indicates the killers left DNA at the crime scene.

What’s next in the Pike County murders investigation?

The mention of the John Doe and the discussion of conspiracy charges indicates LE may have recordings of some of the meetings and discussions. If true, they will be very damning, because it would be difficult for the Wagners to discuss plans for revenge without also discussing the fact that they killed the Rhodens & HHG.

Thought the indictments don't refer directly to them, the final autopsy reports, along with crime scene evidence, probably give a very detailed picture of how the murders were carried out, who was present, who did the shooting, etc. Combined with the other evidence they've gathered from cell phones, internet activity, etc. they probably know the timeline of the murders.

Reference to the W's surveillance and pre-planning (with a specific date of when it began) also indicate a great deal of evidence, electronic and otherwise, that has been gathered from the W's.

JMO, their collective geese are cooked. I'm guessing once DeWine, et al decided to stop focusing on the Manleys and turned to the W's all the puzzle pieces suddenly fell into place.

Great summary, could not have said it better, thank you!

 

[Betty P]

Are you sure? How can I incorporate the answer from RL atty, into the post & convo? Let me guess, I can’t!? I’m trying to RL to register, but he’s stubborn. He reads & laughs, considers this a “time bandit”, concluding at the end of the day, we still know nothing more than what’s reported. He’s about accurate.

For now, you can only post replies from any current WS verified attorneys you've messaged with here. Your friend will have to get verified if he wishes. Not everyone wants to of course.

 

[Trudie]

Was it not in Sept or Oct of 2016 that Reader (I think) first made the comment “people that told lies......”
NOT VERBATIM,
But iirc, that was in one of his first public pressers.
Anyone??
If so, who LIED at the onset?

 

[Trudie]

For now, you can only post replies from any current WS verified attorneys you've messaged with here. Your friend will have to get verified if he wishes. Not everyone wants to of course.

Tysm. No, he won’t. He has little time.

 

[Trudie]

JMO, the specificity and details in all the counts indicates to me that LE has a lot of evidence against the W's.

Phone, video, internet, text, social media, possibly GPS etc. - I've always assumed they were quickly able to retrieve a great deal of information about cell phones, texts, internet activity, etc. in the days and weeks after the murders. The charges of hacking, surveillance, etc. and specific dates indicate LE has been able to track and retrieve a large amount of data from the phones and accounts of both the victims, witnesses and the W family

The charges also indicate LE has significant ballistic and similar evidence about weapons used and who used them. The silencer evidence, from what we know, seems very strong.

Specifics about purchases online by the W's and at Walmart, etc. are also very strong

DNA - early on in the case, Manleys mentioned submitting DNA buccal swabs to LE. JMO, that indicates the killers left DNA at the crime scene.

What’s next in the Pike County murders investigation?

The mention of the John Doe and the discussion of conspiracy charges indicates LE may have audio recordings of some of the meetings and discussions. If true, they will be very damning, because it would be difficult for the Wagners to discuss plans for revenge without also discussing the fact that they killed the Rhodens & HHG.

Thought the indictments don't refer directly to them, the final autopsy reports, along with crime scene evidence, probably give a very detailed picture of how the murders were carried out, who was present, who did the shooting, etc. Combined with the other evidence they've gathered from cell phones, internet activity, etc. they probably know the timeline of the murders.

Reference to the W's surveillance and pre-planning (with a specific date of when it began) also indicate a great deal of evidence, electronic and otherwise, that has been gathered from the W's.

JMO, their collective geese are cooked. I'm guessing once DeWine, et al decided to stop focusing on the Manleys and turned to the W's all the puzzle pieces suddenly fell into place.

Oh, is “John Doe” in the indictment not a place holder?

 

[Betty P]

Tysm. No, he won’t. He has little time.

That's understandable. I've asked an attorney friend, too, and they declined.

 

[Trudie]

That's understandable. I've asked an attorney friend, too, and they declined.

Yea, it’s understandable. Because we only have what’s already reported, the rest is our theories or bickering amongst us. So, there’s really nothing they can help with, other than deciphering legalese. Meaning, they have no facts that are not available to the GP.

 

[Betty P]

Oh, is “John Doe” in the indictment not a place holder?

Yes. John Doe is mentioned in Count 22 of the indictments. In Count 9, there is reference to other unidentified or unknown individuals when stating the killers planned the murders and engaged in conduct that facilitates the commission of Aggravated Murders and Aggravated Burglaries...

 

[Trudie]

Yes. John Doe is mentioned in Count 22 of the indictments. In Count 9, there is reference to other unidentified or unknown individuals when stating the killers planned the murders and engaged in conduct that facilitates the commission of Aggravated Murders and Aggravated Burglaries...

Right.

But is John merely a place holder? Or???

 

[Trudie]

Big dif’ in unidentified/unknown & John Doe, is there not?

 

[Betty P]

Right.

But is John merely a place holder? Or???

Hard to say, the reference seems pretty specific to me. We'll find out eventually.

 

[Betty P]

Big dif’ in unidentified/unknown & John Doe, is there not?

That reference seems more like a "placeholder", IMO.

 

[Trudie]

That reference seems more like a "placeholder", IMO.

Yes, I think so, too, regarding “Placeholder”.

It’s very distinguishable since “unidentified/unknown” is used earlier then the language changes to “John Doe”. This made me think John’s identity is (for now) concealed, but will be revealed later & perhaps Mr. Doe will face charges. Because, he’s been indicted. His “place” is held.
Do you think the same? Otherwise, why name him/give him a “place” in the indictment?

 

[JustaboyFromMS]

Does anyone have a link to the autopsy reports that were heavily redacted? I would specifically like to look at CRSR injuries.TIA

 

[rsd1200]

Does anyone have a link to the autopsy reports that were heavily redacted? I would specifically like to look at CRSR injuries.TIA

I think this is where you want to go;
https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...BCI/Pike-County-Final-Autopsies-REDACTED.aspx

 

[JustaboyFromMS]

I think this is where you want to go;
https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...BCI/Pike-County-Final-Autopsies-REDACTED.aspx

Appreciate it