OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#40

[Harmony 2]

Keep the personal stories about c-sections off the thread. It is off topic and not relevant.

 

[rsd1200]

Yes it definitely could be a reaction to being nervous or fearful. Although, as an outsider looking in, I still think it’s harmful to him being a defendant and smiling big several times when addressing the judge . I whole heartedly want to see JW prosecuted to the fullest if he’s found guilty, however I feel his attorneys also have a duty to look out for his best interest and advice him about his demeanor. Smiling, whether nervous or not, is not a great image for him to portray while fighting 23 felony charges, 8 being for capital murder.

Agreed. His atty. should, and likely will, talk to him. Idk how much good it will do if it is caused by nerves though.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

My post you replied to was: I don’t believe the W are behind Sheriff Readers subpoena. Not that I don’t believe W are behind the killing. I have only said it looks like they are guilty from the indictment, but I need to see the evidence to decide whether or not I feel they are guilty.

My apology. Boy did I read that incorrectly.

Again my most sincere apology. I don’t normally make those kinds of errors. It’s been a very busy day makingvsure everything is covered and a faucet dripping. There is a hard freeze warning here tonight and it’s crazy cold. We expect snow which means I’m staying off the roads. Under most circumstances 30% of people out here drive stupid. With snow I cant imagine how bad it will be.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I think so.
If the drugs showed up in the system, I can't see why they wouldn't be noted.
I am not an ME, so I could be wrong.

IMO

Every foreign substance should be listed. If the Me knew what to test for. The lists are pretty standard and specialized testing is done regularly. I just recently read an article about I will try to find it and post a link or two.

Agreed. His atty. should, and likely will, talk to him. Idk how much good it will do if it is caused by nerves though.

Clear duct tape doves that.

 

[Gracie55]

I've given this some thought too. I see JW as being a bit naive. Being a child, living in the country, your playmates are usually your sibling(s), the closest neighbor kid, whether you really get along or not, and the animals on the place. It leads me to believe that HMR was probably his first real girlfriend. I also think that it may be possible that they ha d both sets of parents thinking that they were sleeping on top of the covers, and with full clothing on, say, sweats, for example... (Believe me, I've seen that happen...blows. my. mind.). So, at first, I thought he was just a naive young man, who thought that it's possible that since he had S, that he could be a possible placement for her 1/2 sis. I also thought that he may be naive enough think that he could get the girls visitation together (play dates).

Then, I also thought about the public FB argument, where HMR was pretty vocal about CG, and thought JW knew that, and he might know why, too, and just was hoping to keep in touch with the child, and just didn't understand the way the world worked.

After the murders arrests, the comments make him look very different. Not in a good way, either. However, if he was so keen on keeping the girl's together, why would he move S to AK, unless he had to. Sometimes a parent has to move. There's just no choice. I then think back to FW, it's like she knew if anyone was innocent, it was JW;



Is it possible that JW is the mole?

Pike County murders: Who are the Wagners?

I think it's possible he fessed up, although we still have no idea who the driving force was behind the murders. .

In my thoughts, before the arrests, with the laser focus, I even thought JW's family might have done it without his knowledge. Maybe they'd discussed it in a kind of smack talk fashion. Example: "Somebody outta take that whole bunch out!" but he didn't take it seriously. He could be conflicted after the fact even if he participated however. That guilt'll get ya'!

On the flip side another theory I previously dreamt up, maybe JW lost his cool and killed HR, then the family came in like fixers and took out anyone who would eat them out.

I could still think either of these variations except the for the discourse about the preplanning. It sounds so methodical, buying shoes and building silencers. It sounds so far out, but there it is. A real challenge to get inside the kinds of these folks and really analyze what they were thinking. Goose bumps.

I wonder which W made the preparatory purchases. They must've liked Walmart. I think of that picture in Alaska if the whole bunch marching along pushing a cart, kids in tow.

Prophetic. They liked Walmart.

Just a question. How do you interact with someone for days or weeks, look them in the eye, converse with them, knowing you are planning to brutally murder them?

You don't have to answer that. But it's a chilling thought. Could someone you interact with, someone you've let into your inner circle, be thinking evil things?

 

[FrescaandSouthernComfort]

I think it's possible he fessed up, although we still have no idea who the driving force was behind the murders. .

In my thoughts, before the arrests, with the laser focus, I even thought JW's family might have done it without his knowledge. Maybe they'd discussed it in a kind of smack talk fashion. Example: "Somebody outta take that whole bunch out!" but he didn't take it seriously. He could be conflicted after the fact even if he participated however. That guilt'll get ya'!

On the flip side another theory I previously dreamt up, maybe JW lost his cool and killed HR, then the family came in like fixers and took out anyone who would eat them out.

I could still think either of these variations except the for the discourse about the preplanning. It sounds so methodical, buying shoes and building silencers. It sounds so far out, but there it is. A real challenge to get inside the kinds of these folks and really analyze what they were thinking. Goose bumps.

I wonder which W made the preparatory purchases. They must've liked Walmart. I think of that picture in Alaska if the whole bunch marching along pushing a cart, kids in tow.

Prophetic. They liked Walmart.

Just a question. How do you interact with someone for days or weeks, look them in the eye, converse with them, knowing you are planning to brutally murder them?

You don't have to answer that. But it's a chilling thought. Could someone you interact with, someone you've let into your inner circle, be thinking evil things?

There is a story, as told by Fredericka Wagner under Legends, on how the Flying W
Farms acquired Little Boy Blue.

This is a prime example of the working mind of a covert narcissist. They do not
understand the word no. They are entitled. Their children are brain washed and
taught from birth that they are entitled and superior to others. JMO

www.amha.org/docs/default-source/default-documents...flyingw_febmar2007.pdf

 

[Gracie55]

There is a story, as told by Fredericka Wagner under Legends, on how the Flying W
Farms acquired Little Boy Blue.

This is a prime example of the working mind of a covert narcissist. They do not
understand the word no. They are entitled. Their children are brain washed and
taught from birth that they are entitled and superior to others. JMO

www.amha.org/docs/default-source/default-documents...flyingw_febmar2007.pdf

Links not working but I imagine I've read what you refer to. That story is in my mind as well.
Entitlement.
Affluenza maybe?

 

[FrescaandSouthernComfort]

Links not working but I imagine I've read what you refer to. That story is in my mind as well.
Entitlement.
Affluenza maybe?

The link is in your pdf file. You must open it there to read.

Jake favors GWW, Jr in looks and personality. Truly believe this was FW's only
and last hope of carrying forward the Flying W name. JMO in saying FW was
the mastermind. All others involved can be dismissed, Jake and FW planned
the massacre. So be it, if the 3 other defendants are sacrificed in favor of Jake.

 

[kaykay543]

There is a story, as told by Fredericka Wagner under Legends, on how the Flying W
Farms acquired Little Boy Blue.

This is a prime example of the working mind of a covert narcissist. They do not
understand the word no. They are entitled. Their children are brain washed and
taught from birth that they are entitled and superior to others. JMO

www.amha.org/docs/default-source/default-documents...flyingw_febmar2007.pdf

I agree and I disagree. Back when Miniature Horses were a new registry; many of farms did this exact same thing. They were selling for thousands as a novelty. There is a similar story of Little King farm buying Boones Little Buckaroo. I was personal friends with Lowell Boone so heard the real story first hand. (sold for 100,000.00) But it was also printed everywhere just like this story. It was all publicity to keep the ponies selling for high dollar. These first breeders were brilliant at marketing.

 

[almond]

I’m the same Almond, always studying something. Does he seem almost childlike to you? Something about him, in every pic or court appearance strikes me as odd. Idk exactly what it is.
I think, he adores attention. Any attention. He seemed to be quite personable towards his attorney, during his last appearance. MOO

I'm no expert...but I believe he has NPD in the covert form. Moo

 

[Dudly]

That he's the mole? I didn't say that he was, I said, could he be? Ya never know. What a twist that would be!

I mentioned previously that they may have intentionally kept him out of the actual murders so he could keep/get custody of S. Anything is possible...

 

[Dudly]

I agree and I disagree. Back when Miniature Horses were a new registry; many of farms did this exact same thing. They were selling for thousands as a novelty. There is a similar story of Little King farm buying Boones Little Buckaroo. I was personal friends with Lowell Boone so heard the real story first hand. (sold for 100,000.00) But it was also printed everywhere just like this story. It was all publicity to keep the ponies selling for high dollar. These first breeders were brilliant at marketing.

I saw the same thing with Ostrich, Emus, pygmy hedge hogs, and other animals. Many times the buyer has to agree not to sell offspring for a lesser amount than they paid to keep the prices up. Ostrich were selling for $25,000 at one point with no end use for them. Eggs were $1000. Pygmy hedge hogs were $3000 at one time. There was a striped 'possum one woman was importing for $25 and selling for $3,000.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

My post was about W not being behind the sheriff department issues. From the complaint it seemed to be someone close to the department. Jmo

I personally am leaning toward the ex mistress or her boyfriend the used car lot owner. I am wondering if Reader got tired of her and fired her to get her out of the workplace so he didn't have to face her. Or maybe his wife found out and insisted the mistress had to go.

IMO the ex mistress, as his administrative assistant would have access to all the records and financial data. She would also know about the safe and his gambling due to their close relationship. She would also know about the loans from employees for the same reason.

To me it looks like Reader joined thousands of other people having affairs in the workplace and like thousands of others it did not turn out well for him.

There is an old saying "You don't get your honey where you get your money." Good advice that Reader should have taken.

If the W's are involved I feel that the information came from the ex mistress or someone in his own office.
JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I've given this some thought too. I see JW as being a bit naive. Being a child, living in the country, your playmates are usually your sibling(s), the closest neighbor kid, whether you really get along or not, and the animals on the place. It leads me to believe that HMR was probably his first real girlfriend. I also think that it may be possible that they ha d both sets of parents thinking that they were sleeping on top of the covers, and with full clothing on, say, sweats, for example... (Believe me, I've seen that happen...blows. my. mind.). So, at first, I thought he was just a naive young man, who thought that it's possible that since he had S, that he could be a possible placement for her 1/2 sis. I also thought that he may be naive enough think that he could get the girls visitation together (play dates).

Then, I also thought about the public FB argument, where HMR was pretty vocal about CG, and thought JW knew that, and he might know why, too, and just was hoping to keep in touch with the child, and just didn't understand the way the world worked.

After the murders arrests, the comments make him look very different. Not in a good way, either. However, if he was so keen on keeping the girl's together, why would he move S to AK, unless he had to. Sometimes a parent has to move. There's just no choice. I then think back to FW, it's like she knew if anyone was innocent, it was JW;



Is it possible that JW is the mole?

Pike County murders: Who are the Wagners?

I think it is because she saw Jake as being the one that LE suspected. His ex girlfriend, his ex in-laws, his child.

I don't think she thought they would suspect the others as being involved.

JMO

 

[pepper 34]

Every foreign substance should be listed. If the Me knew what to test for. The lists are pretty standard and specialized testing is done regularly. I just recently read an article about I will try to find it and post a link or two.

Testing for drugs, as you said, is standardized. A doctor can add additional substances to be testing for to that list if other substances are suspected but various substances must be on the list. Substances not tested for will not just "show up."
For example, if I am sent to a lab by my doctor, to have a Vitamin D blood level test performed ... heroin will not "show up" if I have recently done heroin. The lab would have to test specifically for heroin. That is why drug screening tests are standardized. All substances are already on the list and are tested for per protocol.
Conversely... having a urine drug screening test performed will not reveal a low or high Vitamin D level in the blood.
See the link below to see what substances are on the list for a urine drug screen test (as per Quest Diagnostics Labs's protocol.)
Vitamin D test is not on the list so it won't be tested for.
Although I had to draw blood as part of my job, I am not a laboratory specialist of any sort. The above information is only as it has been taught to me by lab specialists I worked and talked with while dropping off blood specimens for testing. I have not been working in the field for 11 years now so some changes have undoubtedly been made in that time. So, obviously, all written in the comment is... JMO.

Drug Screening for Employers | Quest Diagnostics : Urine Testing Panels & Cutoffs

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Yes it definitely could be a reaction to being nervous or fearful. Although, as an outsider looking in, I still think it’s harmful to him being a defendant and smiling big several times when addressing the judge . I whole heartedly want to see JW prosecuted to the fullest if he’s found guilty, however I feel his attorneys also have a duty to look out for his best interest and advice him about his demeanor. Smiling, whether nervous or not, is not a great image for him to portray while fighting 23 felony charges, 8 being for capital murder.

I see it differently because I think it all started and ended with Jake. I see those big smiles as a way to manipulate the judge who is now the most important person in his life after his attorneys. I see it as trying to curry favor with the judge so maybe his sentence is lighter or he can get extra favors.

I think Jake manipulated his entire family to get them all to do this. I think he used the Clarence R issue to do that along with other things. But it was all about Jake who was furious Hanna left him and wanted to see her dead before her being happy with another man.

That statement of Fred's about Jake having nothing to do with it makes me think that as far as the family is concerned it is still all about Jake.

He is a psychopath IMO.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I think it's possible he fessed up, although we still have no idea who the driving force was behind the murders. .

In my thoughts, before the arrests, with the laser focus, I even thought JW's family might have done it without his knowledge. Maybe they'd discussed it in a kind of smack talk fashion. Example: "Somebody outta take that whole bunch out!" but he didn't take it seriously. He could be conflicted after the fact even if he participated however. That guilt'll get ya'!

On the flip side another theory I previously dreamt up, maybe JW lost his cool and killed HR, then the family came in like fixers and took out anyone who would eat them out.

I could still think either of these variations except the for the discourse about the preplanning. It sounds so methodical, buying shoes and building silencers. It sounds so far out, but there it is. A real challenge to get inside the kinds of these folks and really analyze what they were thinking. Goose bumps.

I wonder which W made the preparatory purchases. They must've liked Walmart. I think of that picture in Alaska if the whole bunch marching along pushing a cart, kids in tow.

Prophetic. They liked Walmart.

Just a question. How do you interact with someone for days or weeks, look them in the eye, converse with them, knowing you are planning to brutally murder them?

You don't have to answer that. But it's a chilling thought. Could someone you interact with, someone you've let into your inner circle, be thinking evil things?

BBM

In my thoughts, before the arrests, with the laser focus, I even thought JW's family might have done it without his knowledge.

I have never been through a divorce but in my time I have seen many people in the midst of a break up of a relationship come in to my office. They have asked many things, like can I have an appointment on a different day that him/her? And they do that for years. Or is there any way I can keep him/her from claiming the kids. These people are among the most bitter and angry people you will ever meet. Any little thing they can do to spite the ex even if it ends up costing them thousands of dollars in taxes.

Anyone on here who has been through a divorce can tell you how ugly it can get. They can also tell you how whole families get pulled into a divorce and how much hatred there can be between families because of it.

So believe me, it was all done with Jake's knowledge and approval. It was initially his idea and I believe it may have taken him months of scheming and making up lies and talking to persuade his parents and brother to go along with it.

I am also certain that if Jake could have pulled it off by himself without the help of his family all the R's would be just as dead.

JMO

 

[rsd1200]

I think it's possible he fessed up, although we still have no idea who the driving force was behind the murders. .

In my thoughts, before the arrests, with the laser focus, I even thought JW's family might have done it without his knowledge. Maybe they'd discussed it in a kind of smack talk fashion. Example: "Somebody outta take that whole bunch out!" but he didn't take it seriously. He could be conflicted after the fact even if he participated however. That guilt'll get ya'!

On the flip side another theory I previously dreamt up, maybe JW lost his cool and killed HR, then the family came in like fixers and took out anyone who would eat them out.

I could still think either of these variations except the for the discourse about the preplanning. It sounds so methodical, buying shoes and building silencers. It sounds so far out, but there it is. A real challenge to get inside the kinds of these folks and really analyze what they were thinking. Goose bumps.

I wonder which W made the preparatory purchases. They must've liked Walmart. I think of that picture in Alaska if the whole bunch marching along pushing a cart, kids in tow.

Prophetic. They liked Walmart.

Just a question. How do you interact with someone for days or weeks, look them in the eye, converse with them, knowing you are planning to brutally murder them?

You don't have to answer that. But it's a chilling thought. Could someone you interact with, someone you've let into your inner circle, be thinking evil things?

BBM
I have thought of that scenario too. Especially with FW's statement to the press. Did they go enmasse to get the items at WallyWorld? Was it only one of them? Did they spread out and go to different Wallys? Idk. I've seen them pick up rats along with their targets, in order to protect their identity, til they get outed in discovery anyway. Many times they'll bond out very quickly, and get some sort of frivolous hand smack that never is fulfilled. They couldn't do that with JW if he is the one. They'd have to keep him in there. Was his call / text to JM that night, after a realization, that the smack talk had turned into reality, when he couldn't reach anyone at HMR's?

The pic in AK. There is another one, of G3 on a motorcycle, talking to JW. JW has his head down, shoulders a bit slumped. It does not look like a convo that he's enjoying. I wonder what their family dynamics are. I wonder what the entire family dynamics were like. I've a feeling that G3 might could be difficult to live with. Just a feeling. May mean nothing at all though.

 

[kaykay543]

Has Violet Rhoden's murder been solved yet? She was a cousin to the Rhodens on UHR.
How close did VR or any suspects live to UHR?
TIA

They released that they had this person nailed for it

Man named as suspect in 2 deaths including Rhoden cousin shooting

But then a couple weeks ago on the news they said it was suicide again. Very confusing.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I see it differently because I think it all started and ended with Jake. I see those big smiles as a way to manipulate the judge who is now the most important person in his life after his attorneys. I see it as trying to curry favor with the judge so maybe his sentence is lighter or he can get extra favors.

I think Jake manipulated his entire family to get them all to do this. I think he used the Clarence R issue to do that along with other things. But it was all about Jake who was furious Hanna left him and wanted to see her dead before her being happy with another man.

That statement of Fred's about Jake having nothing to do with it makes me think that as far as the family is concerned it is still all about Jake.

He is a psychopath IMO.

JMO

I think imo to be able to initiate an idea, to plan and prepare, and execute the murder of 8 people, there are multiple mental health issues with all 6.

It is far from normal to kill 8, and be able to move on with life as if nothing occurred.

It might be interesting to see if any mental health issues are presented at trial or if perhaps as mitigating factors at sentencing.

All. IMO