OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#40

[Trudie]

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...-homosexual-panic-murderer-set-10-m/792535002

Interesting info re: OH death penalty
Bet this article has the potential to scare some people.

 

[Cool Cats]

I don't think the Ws would have a snowball's chance in Hades of going to a funeral, or a bedside visit. A final phone call, maybe. The phone call, and bedside visit, are for the family member, too.

My 2 cents. Makes sense inmates not on sanctions would get a phone call with a loved one, even the Wagners. They are presumed innocent for now.

And yes some States allow bedside visits but I'm guessing the inmate must meet the same criteria as for funerals.

Yes for the family member too. Last wishes honored.

 

[Betty P]

And don't you wonder why she was upset? Her attorneys didn't expect that either. IMO she knew she had messed up bad.

I don't understand why her attorneys would be surprised. A "no contact" order is not uncommon, kind of expected in a case of this magnitude. With so many defendants facing 22 counts each for planning and executing the murder of 8 people plus planning the execution of the Ohio AG and county sheriff? Keep in mind, they're facing some serious charges of conspiracy and operating as an organized criminal group, too. Of course the judge would ban them from talking to other family members who were part of this plan.

Let's also not forget that Fred W is facing charges of lying to the grand jury and helping cover up the crime. And that they plotted to collaborate on helping each other escape jail if caught. None of these people can be trusted to communicate with each other. JMO, that's a no-brainer.

RW might be surprised if she doesn't think they're guilty. If so, she's in denial.

ETA: At this point I have some compassion for RW if she's truly in denial about her murderous relatives. If so, she really should get some professional counseling because she's in for many more "surprises" as these trials progress.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Welp, that’s a very odd thing to do. I wonder what she’s writing that’s so important that she must write it on her pants? jmo

Security is most likely tight. Possibility of escape as planned or threats against Waggies.

No, she cannot, and I'd guess their attys, as did hers, told them not to communicate with her, either. However, that doesn't mean that other family members can't talk to her about what is in the news. She just can't discuss her case with the public, or news media, and I'd not discuss my case at all over jail phones anyway unless it was with my atty. I think their main goal with the gag orders, is to avoid a mistrial, and to lessen what gets out into the public so they can seat a jury there in Pike County. Junk wants the trial kept there.

I don’t believe Junk is running this particular set of prosecutions. I also don’t believe they will perhaps seat more than one juryin Pike County. There 28,256 people living there and I can’t find the number of registered voters. It takes on an average twice that many to draw from in a much lesser known crime. I think they may wind up in one of the large cities.

 

[Trudie]

I live in Ky., so it doesn't really apply to Ohio, but a friend called me from jail, to tell me that they just saw a "dude get arrested, over in Lexington, for murdering all those Ohio people". They were watching it on t.v. at the time. Just so happened that I was too. They knew that I followed the case, so they rung me up, from jail. They also talk to me about sporting games that they watch, live.

Jail is not punishment. Prison is. Jail is more a holding facility, to make certain the accused appears in court. Seldom is a “jailed” person convicted. Unless, he’s brought from prison to a county jail to stand trial for additional charges. I personally have never heard of a state prison shuttling an inmate to court. IMO, the SO would be responsible for that. Moo of course. So no link......

 

[Trudie]

My 2 cents. Makes sense inmates not on sanctions would get a phone call with a loved one, even the Wagners. They are presumed innocent for now.

And yes some States allow bedside visits but I'm guessing the inmate must meet the same criteria as for funerals.

Yes for the family member too. Last wishes honored.

I agree on the farewell phone call. If the call is placed from jail, it’s no dif’ than any other call. A guard might be positioned next to her to monitor the call, too.
It’s sad for her grandma, I’m sure.
You’re right, they are all presumed innocent & could be for years to come. (Based on the snail like pace thus far). Moo

 

[Charliegizmo49]

My 2 cents. Makes sense inmates not on sanctions would get a phone call with a loved one, even the Wagners. They are presumed innocent for now.

And yes some States allow bedside visits I know that. I'm guessing the inmate must meet the same criteria as for funerals.

Yes for the family member too. Last wishes honored.

Cars. They have already planned retribution and escape.

I think AW got caught trying to get someone to pass a message of some kind. And her attorney responded appropriately by saying “we already instructed her........”. That’s why I think her attorney said exactly what he did. But AW THINKING she is above it all and wouldn’t get caught did it anyway.

AW did look scared today. Maybe she was admonished before the hearing. And 6 weeks behind bars probably gave her time to realize there’s no easy way out of this.

I read the first 3 motions hervattorneys filed. They were written understandable andeach had good reasoning.

I think the juvenile records release might just be a motion that her attorney has had to often file in the past. It was indicated that not all motions were applicable today.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I agree on the farewell phone call. If the call is placed from jail, it’s no dif’ than any other call. A guard might be positioned next to her to monitor the call, too.
It’s sad for her grandma, I’m sure.
You’re right, they are all presumed innocent & could be for years to come. (Based on the snail like pace thus far). Moo

I do think that they may take her to visit if she’s secure and there are situations the defendant is asked to pay for escorts etc.

On the other hand the judge may say no. She’s got a plan they discussed before. And they might be crazy enough to try it.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

What is in your commissary fund? Is it just the wages earned at your prison job or can your family contribute also?

Anyone can contribute. Even if she has a disability check at this point.

 

[Trudie]

I am curious approximately when was GW 2’s estate was settled. I have a good reason for asking.

I don’t know off hand but can look tomorrow, WP.

 

[rsd1200]

There was one interesting arrest on that date....and





Any links to support the validity of Live TV in local jails in Ohio? Please? Isn't that what differentiates truth from rumor? TY

A number of jails are using funds from commissary sales to pay for digital TV conversions, including the Delaware County Jail in Ohio.

I mean, I guess we could ring up the jails and ask but in 2012, they had 13 basic channels. I've no link though. The OH codes speak to them, I don't know why they'd not be live. I know they cut them off around here sometimes around election times and if something may be on the news that they feel could incite something, or if they just want to b/c they can.

5120:1-8-11 Recreation and programming.

(A) (Important) Exercise and/or equipment for inmates shall be provided and the jail shall ensure that inmates are offered at least five hours per week.

(B) (Important) The jail shall provide for inmate television viewing and table games.

(C) (Important) The jail shall provide inmate access to reading materials.

Effective: 04/20/2014

They have to have privileges in order to take them away. They have t.v. and radio privileges. Most radio and t.v. is either live at 5 or a replay at 6.

5120.011 Sanctions imposed for frivolous actions.
(4) The loss of television privileges for not more than sixty days;

(5) The loss of radio privileges for not more than sixty days;

(6) The loss of recreational activity privileges for not more than sixty days.
Effective Date: 10-17-1996.

Ohio became the latest state last month to allow inmates to purchase and use mini-tablet computers while incarcerated

As technology becomes increasingly embedded within society, some experts say its placement in more prisons is inevitable.

"For us to expect inmates will possess the skills necessary to survive in the free world, we'll have to come to the realization they'll have to use these things," Smith said.

If they have tablets to keep up with family, in OH, outside the walls, then surely they have cable.

Lawriter - ORC

Lawriter - OAC

Some prisons let inmates connect with tablets

Prisons and Jails Preparing for Switch to Digital TV Broadcasting ... or Not | Prison Legal News

 

[Trudie]

I mean, I guess we could ring up the jails and ask but in 2012, they had 13 basic channels. I've no link though. The OH codes speak to them, I don't know why they'd not be live. I know they cut them off around here sometimes around election times and if something may be on the news that they feel could incite something, or if they just want to b/c they can.



They have to have privileges in order to take them away. They have t.v. and radio privileges. Most radio and t.v. is either live at 5 or a replay at 6.





Effective Date: 10-17-1996.





If they have tablets to keep up with family, in OH, outside the walls, then surely they have cable.

Lawriter - ORC

Lawriter - OAC

Some prisons let inmates connect with tablets

Prisons and Jails Preparing for Switch to Digital TV Broadcasting ... or Not | Prison Legal News

Wow, good info. I’m not researching jails in OH, again, lol.
You found much better info.

 

[Betty P]

I do think that they may take her to visit if she’s secure and there are situations the defendant is asked to pay for escorts etc.

On the other hand the judge may say no. She’s got a plan they discussed before. And they might be crazy enough to try it.

Can you imagine how dangerous they would be if any of them tried to escape? We know what they've done to the Rhodens. They would plot, plan and kill anyone in their path. Fellow inmates, jail personnel and the general public shouldn't be exposed to that kind of risk. W's are desperate, depraved and devious people.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I doubt that the W4's attys are giving her, or anyone else, anything. That's not Kosher.

Absolutely correct. The only resource she might have is the guy totally proclaimed “ my clients are being harassed by LE, and they are innocent!!!”. Her mother’s family attorney who probably has to eat crow everyone he’s with fellow attorneys.

In as much of the volume of consequences the Waggies failed to consider, there is likely much much more to come.

 

[Trudie]

Rsd, have you ever known any person to serve 3 or more years in county?

 

[rsd1200]

Good post!
Also, I think when your life is on the line, family isn't so important. Just sayin’.

I'd have sold my MIL's down the river so fast their heads would have swam for years!!!! They'd have sold me out too!!!! J.S. Blood is thicker than water. AW better watch her back!

 

[Trudie]

Idk. There seemed to be a trend of gray and white plaid today w/the R family. I thought she was with the family since she too was wearing those colors, but just seated where she could get a better angle.

I noticed the flannel plaid theme. I wondered if they were wearing Xmas shirts! I thought perhaps a family member bought a bunch of same shirts to signify unity.

 

[Trudie]

I'd have sold my MIL's down the river so fast their heads would have swam for years!!!! They'd have sold me out too!!!! J.S. Blood is thicker than water. AW better watch her back!

Exactly. She ain’t a Wag, not when it comes right down to it.

 

[rsd1200]

Rsd, have you ever known any person to serve 3 or more years in county?

They're not supposed to serve more than two, here. It's a rough ride in county. Two is a rough in county unless you get into a larger facility.

I say that, b/c part of their time served can end up being in county b/c of their court dates. After the trial/court hearings/plea is done with, then they get shipped out. If they end up with say, two years left, that can end up being served in a jail facility. The "time" always confuses me. They get a percent off for good time, time served, a jail year is not the same as a regular year, etc...

I'm not firing on all four cylinders tonight.

 

[Betty P]

In a way, I hope the public soon learns more details about the Rhoden murders. I hope some crime scene photos are made public so that everyone can finally understand how dangerous, cunning and depraved the Wagner family is. So many details have been kept from the public that much of the public has a false sense of complacency about them - like "Aww, it's just a couple of young guys, their housewife mom, etc. They can't be that bad". They are. As bad as Bundy, Gacy, Dahmer, DeAngelo and the rest.

 

[Trudie]

Lol, no attorney wants his strategy info on the street. Lol. Imagine how pissed AW’s team must be. They’re fighting for her life and IMO, it appears she ignores their advice.
It seems reasonable one of the four is going to take the brunt of this, imo.
Meaning, imo, all 4 will not receive equal punishment. Providing, they are convicted.
I would talk. Now.