OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#40

[Trudie]

They're not supposed to serve more than five, here. It's a rough ride in county. Two is a rough in county unless you get into a larger facility.

I know one man that served 5. In KY. Once the five year mark approached, things were expedited. Iirc, he could have walked with time Served? This is how I remember the situation. Not a rumor or fact. No link, either.

 

[Trudie]

There’s no specific pretrial number. I’m guesssing maybe 12 for ea defendant. Unless they start holding 8 hour sessions.
IMO, discovery will trickle out. Some public, some not.
Who knows if any of this will go to trial. If DP is on the table, the main purpose of the DP legal team is to preserve life, IMO. The ONLY way to do so is to plea for LWOP.
Right now, IMO, the DA is in a holding pattern. He only needs ONE of the 4 to talk to begin the domino effect.
Jmo

Quoting myself. Now I wonder if the number of pretrial might be in the hundreds. 8, 10, 20 minute hearings is not conducive, imo.

 

[rsd1200]

Security is most likely tight. Possibility of escape as planned or threats against Waggies.



I don’t believe Junk is running this particular set of prosecutions. I also don’t believe they will perhaps seat more than one juryin Pike County. There 28,256 people living there and I can’t find the number of registered voters. It takes on an average twice that many to draw from in a much lesser known crime. I think they may wind up in one of the large cities.

Yea, it would be the judge who is running this show. No one wants a mistrial. I said earlier that they couldn't seat four partial, death panel juries, including alternates, for each trial. According to the Pike County BOE, there are 18,833 jurors to choose from. For once, I think we might agree on something.

Pike County Board of Elections

 

[rsd1200]

Jail is not punishment. Prison is. Jail is more a holding facility, to make certain the accused appears in court. Seldom is a “jailed” person convicted. Unless, he’s brought from prison to a county jail to stand trial for additional charges. I personally have never heard of a state prison shuttling an inmate to court. IMO, the SO would be responsible for that. Moo of course. So no link......

I kinda think that jail is punishment. It's horrible in there. No sun, no windows, no exercise, not even church to break the monotony, and for MONTHS. In a nicer facility like the one you linked to, it may not be so bad.

 

[Trudie]

I'm expecting 2-3 years unless someone makes a deal.

IMO only, I think each attorney must advise his client to leave his family out of the equation & focus on his/her own life/future. Bet AW’s attorney has to constantly remind her he has no clue what is going on with the other three, what they are saying, doing, eating, etc.

 

[Trudie]

I kinda think that jail is punishment. It's horrible in there. No sun, no windows, no exercise, not even church to break the monotony, and for MONTHS. In a nicer facility like the one you linked to, it may not be so bad.

Lol. Any would be bad to me.
If the 4 do function as a unit, this must be terribly perplexing for them.
JW, might be able to go first, get a lesser sentence, get out & resume some type of life on FWF. Can he do so w/o inflicting a harsher sentence on his mom, dad or brother?
Or, might AW rush to make a deal?
If charges are accurate, other than LWOP for at least 3, there’s little to barter over. Imo
We never know what a jury might do, as we all know.
Moo

 

[rsd1200]

In a way, I hope the public soon learns more details about the Rhoden murders. I hope some crime scene photos are made public so that everyone can finally understand how dangerous, cunning and depraved the Wagner family is. So many details have been kept from the public that much of the public has a false sense of complacency about them - like "Aww, it's just a couple of young guys, their housewife mom, etc. They can't be that bad". They are. As bad as Bundy, Gacy, Dahmer, DeAngelo and the rest.

No, although I'm as curious as everyone else, I can wait. I want the jurors to see it first. By not letting anything leak out there we get a jury that is more untainted and unbiased. They get the full gut-punch. No preparation.

 

[Trudie]

They're not supposed to serve more than two, here. It's a rough ride in county. Two is a rough in county unless you get into a larger facility.

I say that, b/c part of their time served can end up being in county b/c of their court dates. After the trial/court hearings/plea is done with, then they get shipped out. If they end up with say, two years left, that can end up being served in a jail facility. The "time" always confuses me. They get a percent off for good time, time served, a jail year is not the same as a regular year, etc...

I'm not firing on all four cylinders tonight.

4 cylinders? Not 8?
The method used to compute is dif’ for country & state, too. Moo, no link.
Good time, bad time, work history, sanctions can all p,ay a role.

 

[rsd1200]

I know one man that served 5. In KY. Once the five year mark approached, things were expedited. Iirc, he could have walked with time Served? This is how I remember the situation. Not a rumor or fact. No link, either.

I think it changed to two now. I edited my post to reflect that but, iirc, you are correct, it was five. I have seen the results of living in underfunded county jails, with LE who do not care, and it's not rehabilitation, in any form.

 

[Trudie]

I'd have sold my MIL's down the river so fast their heads would have swam for years!!!! They'd have sold me out too!!!! J.S. Blood is thicker than water. AW better watch her back!

I don’t see how RW will have time to attend each hearing for the 4. That’d be a pretty demanding schedule.
Was anyone from AW’s family in court today?
I mean I know a lot of them are in jail. But extended family?

 

[IQuestion]

Perhaps Robin likes the way she dresses and is most comfortable in what she chooses to wear. For me, I just think it is wrong to discuss her on here, especially in a way to be making fun of her.

I have learned a few things these past few days and hopefully we all can stop and ask ourselves "I WONDER WHY?" when having these types of discussions.

With that being said, I will bow out for now as this topic is not for me. May justice come for the victims.

I don't wonder why....I can tell you her behavior should not be tolerated in court. I noticed no more little ones in the courtroom, after the first arraignment. Then no T-shirts are worn with the victim's names on them. The victim's family don't drop their jaws in feigned shock, jump up and down in their seats, swing their heads left to right peering around attorneys trying to make eye-contact, they don't flip their crosses to the sparkly side for the cameras, and they sure as heck don't make big sweeping moves to write on their pant legs. If the cameras hadn't stopped I would have continued to stare....I assure you, the bailiffs were staring, 'cause she was going pretty far up her thigh. She was wearing the same clothing when GWIII was arrested in Lexington. How in the world would any of us have known she was going to wear the same outfit to JW's, AW's, GWIII's, GWIV's and still again at AW's pretrial today? Today was not about what she wore, it is about what she did. The bailiffs wear the same uniform every day, and the judge wears the same robe... but if they start writing on their pants, shirts or robes, I am going to think that's pretty darned odd. More disconcerting, she may (unwittingly?) be "the third party communication" that was mentioned in the hearing.
She was obviously agitated.... I think she has always been a dutiful daughter. IMO Nothing in life prepares anyone for this, but one still has to behave in court. (Or at least work at it.)
Oddly, how was this communication heard or given to the press in the first place?:
"Across the aisle sat Wagner IV’s aunt Robin Wagner, who has previously declined comment to the media. Before the arraignment, she sat beside her mother Fredericka’s attorney, who relayed a message to one of Wagner IV’s attorneys: “She just wants you to pass on to George that she loves him.”
Pike County murders: George Wagner IV ‘most vocal’ about DeWine revenge, prosecutors say

 

[rsd1200]

IMO only, I think each attorney must advise his client to leave his family out of the equation & focus on his/her own life/future. Bet AW’s attorney has to constantly remind her he has no clue what is going on with the other three, what they are saying, doing, eating, etc.

If it were my kids, I'd want to know how they were doing, and, if the kids may be throwing mom under the bus!!!

 

[IQuestion]

I am curious approximately when was GW 2’s estate was settled. I have a good reason for asking.

Woodp, don't leave us hanging. What is the "good" reason?

 

[rsd1200]

Lol. Any would be bad to me.
If the 4 do function as a unit, this must be terribly perplexing for them.
JW, might be able to go first, get a lesser sentence, get out & resume some type of life on FWF. Can he do so w/o inflicting a harsher sentence on his mom, dad or brother?
Or, might AW rush to make a deal?
If charges are accurate, other than LWOP for at least 3, there’s little to barter over. Imo
We never know what a jury might do, as we all know.
Moo

What if G4 tosses them all under the bus, for a deal to serve 80% of a 20 year plea. Turns out he is the total psycho, gets out, gets a transfer truck, and starts himself a journey across the u.s. interstate system.

 

[Trudie]

If it were my kids, I'd want to know how they were doing, and, if the kids may be throwing mom under the bus!!!

Technically, her attorney should have no clue what’s going on with the other three.
It’s one heck of a situation. Idk how many death qualified attys OH has but the W’s have a monopoly on them, it seems.

 

[rsd1200]

4 cylinders? Not 8?
The method used to compute is dif’ for country & state, too. Moo, no link.
Good time, bad time, work history, sanctions can all p,ay a role.

No, only four tonight, been a long weekend... and a rough Monday.

Agree on those computing methods. I just ask the inmate what they have left. I gave up trying a long time ago. I keep reminding this one in particular, that they are showing their intelligence, when they can do all that w/o a calculator.

 

[Trudie]

What if G4 tosses them all under the bus, for a deal to serve 80% of a 20 year plea. Turns out he is the total psycho, gets out, gets a transfer truck, and starts himself a journey across the u.s. interstate system.

True. It’s not beyond possibility. Someone is going to not be as guilty as the other 3.
Idk about AW. Does she have the balls to turn on the W family? I don’t think so. Do you?
Will brother go against brother?
By now, I think each attorney has evaluated his client & pretty much knows how to proceed, regarding plea agreements.

 

[Trudie]

I don't wonder why....I can tell you her behavior should not be tolerated in court. I noticed no more little ones in the courtroom, after the first arraignment. Then no T-shirts are worn with the victim's names on them. The victim's family don't drop their jaws in feigned shock, jump up and down in their seats, swing their heads left to right peering around attorneys trying to make eye-contact, they don't flip their crosses to the sparkly side for the cameras, and they sure as heck don't big sweeping moves to write on their pant legs. If the cameras hadn't stopped I would have continued to stare....I assure you, the bailiffs were staring, 'cause she was going pretty far up her thigh. She was wearing the same clothing when GWIII was arrested in Lexington. How in the world would any of us have known she was going to wear the same outfit to JW's, AW's, GWIII's, GWIV's and still again at AW's pretrial today? Today was not about what she wore, it is about what she did. The bailiffs wear the same uniform every day, and the judge wears the same robe... but if they start writing on their pants, shirts or robes, I am going to think that's pretty darned odd. More disconcerting, she may (unwittingly?) be "the third party communication" that was mentioned in the hearing.
She was obviously agitated.... I think she has always been a dutiful daughter. IMO Nothing in life prepares anyone for this, but one still has to behave in court. (Or at least work at it.)
Oddly, how was this communication heard or given to the press in the first place?:
"Across the aisle sat Wagner IV’s aunt Robin Wagner, who has previously declined comment to the media. Before the arraignment, she sat beside her mother Fredericka’s attorney, who relayed a message to one of Wagner IV’s attorneys: “She just wants you to pass on to George that she loves him.”
Pike County murders: George Wagner IV ‘most vocal’ about DeWine revenge, prosecutors say

Great post, IQ. As always.
Good night everyone.

 

[rsd1200]

True. It’s not beyond possibility. Someone is going to not be as guilty as the other 3.
Idk about AW. Does she have the balls to turn on the W family? I don’t think so. Do you?
Will brother go against brother?
By now, I think each attorney has evaluated his client & pretty much knows how to proceed, regarding plea agreements.

Tough to tell. Today may have been a turning point for her with the banned communications. Was she the one who got this ball rolling? Was it G3 and she stood by her man? If it was the former, then I'd say that yes, she could stand up to them. If it's the latter, then she may not be up to standing on her own. She's been with him for almost three decades. Has she been an enabler this whole time?

 

[JustaboyFromMS]

It speaks to me about how truly isolated from the world the W's are. If it were any of the rest of us, we would just google or watch a replay later.

I think you're reading a little bit too much into it. You could be right, but you are over thinking it. It ain't that deep.