OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#45

[Betty P]

I'm really on the fence about how much RN knew and when she came to know it. It will be interesting to see what info comes out at trial.

It's hard to know for sure. For whatever reason, I don't think the W's and Rita were close enough they would have shared their plans to kill the Rhoden/Gilley family. Rita probably saw and heard a lot before the murders that, afterwards, made her realize who the killers were. That may have been the case with a number of people close to the families and explains why LE kept pushing people to talk. Early on, though, the people everyone thought had information actually didn't.

There's something about the way attention was diverted from the W's for so long, the way they received sympathetic media coverage to indicate FW did figure it out after the murders and did her part to divert suspicion elsewhere. We all know Angela spent a lot of time and effort on it, she was the most visible defender.

 

[Betty P]

Does anyone have a link or information that I can read regarding the Wagners not attending the funerals? If it were me, I would have attended just to keep appearances up. I have always wondered about their attendance at the wake/funeral of the victims.

Thanks.

JMO, that's from personal observation and research. It's hard to prove a negative and no one made an official census of those who attended (at least not anything made public). If you go back and review news media video and photos from all the funerals, burial ceremonies and candlelight vigils, you won't find anyone from the W family.

There's a lot still out there on the internet, some links are in the Media & Timelines thread. If you find some Wagners in any of the video or photos, please share. But no one here who has looked have ever found any. There's also no mention of Wagners attending in news media reports.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I frequently transcribe psychological exams in my work. My opinion is that his defense team wants the mental status exam for two reasons: First, it will establish whether he has "low intellectual function", i.e., the 7th grade education so he couldn't be the mastermind. Second, if he has "low intellectual function", then that could be an argument by his defense team to not give him the death penalty if he's found guilty.

My farther had a 8th grade education, he was in war war 2 after he came home he married and worked in the mining business forty years,in his forty years he was a manager (Foreman)that had to direct 200 employees everyday, order supplies and fill payroll out every week , I don’t buy Billy’s 7th grade education excuse (JMO)

 

[Tiff23fr]

It's hard to know for sure. For whatever reason, I don't think the W's and Rita were close enough they would have shared their plans to kill the Rhoden/Gilley family. Rita probably saw and heard a lot before the murders that, afterwards, made her realize who the killers were. That may have been the case with a number of people close to the families and explains why LE kept pushing people to talk. Early on, though, the people everyone thought had information actually didn't.

There's something about the way attention was diverted from the W's for so long, the way they received sympathetic media coverage to indicate FW did figure it out after the murders and did her part to divert suspicion elsewhere. We all know Angela spent a lot of time and effort on it, she was the most visible defender.

I feel (opinion only) that they tried to point towards the Manley/Rhoden families once it became clear LE scratched the cartel idea and recognized it was someone close to the families.

 

[IType]

I don't feel we really know the true relationship between Angela and Rita just yet. While some mothers and daughters do have relationships as you describe, others do not. I know of many who may go weeks or months without talking to their parents. When they do talk it's more superficial in nature.

I see Angela as a conniving woman who may only reach out if she wants or needs something. That's just my opinion. I could easily see Angela becoming wrapped up in the new life as a Wagner upon marriage and placing some space between her and her mom and dad.

Again, I think Rita broke the law and should be held accountable as such. I don't dispute that.

I don't feel, based on what we do know to date, that I assume her mom knew "everything". Just because she appeared to have been close to her family after the murders by AW moving to her dads place, I don't feel it means those families were always close. Every family doesn't have the relationships you describe.

Now if we switch the view to AFTER the murders, I believe Rita may have had a very very good idea what happened and did in fact lie & commit purjery in an attempt to protect her and her daughter/grandsons.

In the end, whatever role she played, she should be punished as such.

JMO

I couldn't have said it better. Thanks!

 

[IType]

My farther had a 8th grade education, he was in war war 2 after he came home he married and worked in the mining business forty years,in his forty years he was a manager (Foreman)that had to direct 200 employees everyday, order supplies and fill payroll out every week , I don’t buy Billy’s 7th grade education excuse (JMO)

I don't necessarily buy it, either. I think he clearly knows right from wrong. If he's able to pass a written exam to get a driver's license, then he has a reasonable amount of intelligence in my opinion. My earlier post was just my theory on why his defense team wants a psychological exam, especially since none of the defense teams for the other 5 people charged have requested one.

 

[grillzgirl]

JMO, that's from personal observation and research. It's hard to prove a negative and no one made an official census of those who attended (at least not anything made public). If you go back and review news media video and photos from all the funerals, burial ceremonies and candlelight vigils, you won't find anyone from the W family.

There's a lot still out there on the internet, some links are in the Media & Timelines thread. If you find some Wagners in any of the video or photos, please share. But no one here who has looked have ever found any. There's also no mention of Wagners attending in news media reports.

Thank you Betty. I have read every post on every thread since day one. I don't post a lot, but all of the regulars on this thread have done an amazing job keeping me in the loop. I wasn't sure if I had missed that or not. But you're right, of all the videos, interviews, etc. that I have watched, there was not a Wagner in sight.

It is almost as if they were above attending the funerals. Hanna was the mother of his child yet even Jake couldn't bother to attend. Just looks so obnoxious to me. JMO, MOO, all that jazz.

 

[Betty P]

Thank you Betty. I have read every post on every thread since day one. I don't post a lot, but all of the regulars on this thread have done an amazing job keeping me in the loop. I wasn't sure if I had missed that or not. But you're right, of all the videos, interviews, etc. that I have watched, there was not a Wagner in sight.

It is almost as if they were above attending the funerals. Hanna was the mother of his child yet even Jake couldn't bother to attend. Just looks so obnoxious to me. JMO, MOO, all that jazz.

Thanks! I think it was about a month ago that I reviewed all the video and photos I could find, with no luck. I was only looking for the main suspects. It's sad to look at, all the friends and relatives were so traumatized by the funerals. It must have been very gruesome and shocking.

Over the years, some speculate that the killers may have had injuries from the murder spree, so were in hiding. They also had no sympathy for the victims. Once trials start, it will be very interesting to learn what the Wagner family was doing in the days before and after the murders.

 

[Tiff23fr]

JMO, that's from personal observation and research. It's hard to prove a negative and no one made an official census of those who attended (at least not anything made public). If you go back and review news media video and photos from all the funerals, burial ceremonies and candlelight vigils, you won't find anyone from the W family.

There's a lot still out there on the internet, some links are in the Media & Timelines thread. If you find some Wagners in any of the video or photos, please share. But no one here who has looked have ever found any. There's also no mention of Wagners attending in news media reports.

I have wondered if he could be the one with his hair pulled back and hat on holding the young girl in picture number two of this article. I don't know though....

Emotional scenes as new mother, 20, becomes the second victim of Ohio massacre that killed eight to be laid to rest | Daily Mail Online

 

[grillzgirl]

Thanks! I think it was about a month ago that I reviewed all the video and photos I could find, with no luck. I was only looking for the main suspects. It's sad to look at, all the friends and relatives were so traumatized by the funerals. It must have been very gruesome and shocking.

Over the years, some speculate that the killers may have had injuries from the murder spree, so were in hiding. They also had no sympathy for the victims. Once trials start, it will be very interesting to learn what the Wagner family was doing in the days before and after the murders.

I had not considered they could be hiding injuries. But that is a great point. I haven't followed a case this closely since the Scott Peterson case. I cannot imagine how the families must have felt. I hope we are able to watch the Wagners have their day in court on the new CourtTV channel. I will be glued. I may have to get myself a DVR!!

 

[ColMustard]

I have wondered if he could be the one with his hair pulled back and hat on holding the young girl in picture number two of this article. I don't know though....

Emotional scenes as new mother, 20, becomes the second victim of Ohio massacre that killed eight to be laid to rest | Daily Mail Online

Can't be. J's hair was dyed black, right?

 

[Betty P]

I have wondered if he could be the one with his hair pulled back and hat on holding the young girl in picture number two of this article. I don't know though....

Emotional scenes as new mother, 20, becomes the second victim of Ohio massacre that killed eight to be laid to rest | Daily Mail Online

Interesting, hard to say. Can't see any of his face. Can't see the color of the little girl's hair. Does his hair length fit? It was kind of short back then, but it seemed he was growing it out.

Rhoden case: 'Hate seeing my daughter cry'

 

[NWLady]

Jmo but I wonder if Frederica has asked Owens to give some advice how to help the other Wagner’s. Jmo just trying to figure out why Owens would have been there today jmo

Maybe just because he can be, or maybe he was there just to make his presence known. He seems like the type that may enjoy having his ego boosted. JMO

 

[Dudly]

I frequently transcribe psychological exams in my work. My opinion is that his defense team wants the mental status exam for two reasons: First, it will establish whether he has "low intellectual function", i.e., the 7th grade education so he couldn't be the mastermind. Second, if he has "low intellectual function", then that could be an argument by his defense team to not give him the death penalty if he's found guilty.

I thought similar things but wondered if a last resort insanity plea may be in the works, also. Either way it would take the DP off the table.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Interesting, hard to say. Can't see any of his face. Can't see the color of the little girl's hair. Does his hair length fit? It was kind of short back then, but it seemed he was growing it out.

Rhoden case: 'Hate seeing my daughter cry'

I'm not sure. I went back and looked at an April 30 photo of both boys with black hair but Jake isn't at an angle I can tell. If his was the same shade of black as G4's it certainly isn't him.

Edit- jakes doesn't appear nearly as dark black as G4's based on the photo attached from the media article.

 

[Dudly]

JMO, that's from personal observation and research. It's hard to prove a negative and no one made an official census of those who attended (at least not anything made public). If you go back and review news media video and photos from all the funerals, burial ceremonies and candlelight vigils, you won't find anyone from the W family.

There's a lot still out there on the internet, some links are in the Media & Timelines thread. If you find some Wagners in any of the video or photos, please share. But no one here who has looked have ever found any. There's also no mention of Wagners attending in news media reports.

I have never read a comment by any Wagners that they were at the funerals. I have not seen that they did in any news media pics or articles. That doesn't mean it did not happen but odds are very good the the Wagners did not attend...JMO

 

[IType]

I have wondered if he could be the one with his hair pulled back and hat on holding the young girl in picture number two of this article. I don't know though....

Emotional scenes as new mother, 20, becomes the second victim of Ohio massacre that killed eight to be laid to rest | Daily Mail Online

I'm skeptical since this article/picture is from HG's funeral. If it were HMR's funeral, I'd be a little more willing to think it was JW holding SW. Hard to say, though, for sure.

 

[Tiff23fr]

I'm skeptical since this article/picture is from HG's funeral. If it were HMR's funeral, I'd be a little more willing to think it was JW holding SW. Hard to say, though, for sure.

I agree, I just noticed this person appears off to the side observing instead of "attending". I don't want to try to imply any further that it may be him because it seems a stretch. I was just sharing the one photo I found where I asked myself "could it be"?

 

[Dudly]

I have wondered if he could be the one with his hair pulled back and hat on holding the young girl in picture number two of this article. I don't know though....

Emotional scenes as new mother, 20, becomes the second victim of Ohio massacre that killed eight to be laid to rest | Daily Mail Online

Could that be HG's brother holding her son?

 

[NWLady]

Thank you Betty. I have read every post on every thread since day one. I don't post a lot, but all of the regulars on this thread have done an amazing job keeping me in the loop. I wasn't sure if I had missed that or not. But you're right, of all the videos, interviews, etc. that I have watched, there was not a Wagner in sight.

It is almost as if they were above attending the funerals. Hanna was the mother of his child yet even Jake couldn't bother to attend. Just looks so obnoxious to me. JMO, MOO, all that jazz.

If they didn't attend any of the funerals, I don't know so I'm saying IF they didn't attend, maybe they had visible injuries they didn't want anyone to see and/or they knew LE/investigators would be present and/or they were too paranoid/nervous about being seen while there and possibly their behaviors, actions, etc. being taken note of, not only by LE/investigators but by surviving family members, and/or didn't want to show their faces due to so many family/friends being present because it seems as if there was a lot of tension between the families prior to the murders, from what we have heard anyways.

After all, I need to remind myself, these murders were carried out by cowards in the darkness of night, while most of them were sleeping. It doesn't say much for those involved, does it? .............

ETA - This is all JMO