OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #24

[rsd1200]

I am not inferring anything. You should know me by now. For each reader to reflect on this heartbreaking story.

I apologize I gave you a lot to read recently. I am inspired by recent observations. I will try not to crowd the thread. More to come later. Cheers

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Oh I know you weren't. I was just kidding around with you re; my obsession. My family would love to have me back, I'm sure... I enjoy your viewpoints and challenges to thinking different ways about this case.

 

[rsd1200]

I probably could be more open minded to looking at pastor F. I've just been so steeped in the culture of this type of preaching/pastoral leading, that I tend to take them with a grain of salt many times. I wasn't trying to be dismissive of your theory.

 

[jk204]

I probably could be more open minded to looking at pastor F. I've just been so steeped in the culture of this type of preaching/pastoral leading, that I tend to take them with a grain of salt many times. I wasn't trying to be dismissive of your theory.

I have theories. But not specific theories about anyone in particular.

 

[rsd1200]

I have theories. But not specific theories about anyone in particular.

Care to toss a couple out in a generalized sort of way?

 

[jk204]

Care to toss a couple out in a generalized sort of way?

Yes. I will do that. But let me start by outlining the ideas in the right order. It will take a few days. Let's start with this:

Is it fair to assume this family had a bad reputation with at least part of the community?*

- their land was a car cemetary
- the grand father was a sex offender
- teenage pregnancy was the norm
- they threatened and fought occasionnally
- they stopped attending their church
- they welcomed a drug addict in their home

...and they chose to raise their children in this environment? Personnally, I would have alerted Child Services.

I had a feeling that lack of consideration and even hate transpired from the "Hazlitt" story.* I am not saying they deserved. I am saying hate could have been a factor.

 

[rsd1200]

Yes. I will do that. But let me start by outlining the ideas in the right order. It will take a few days. Let's start with this:

Is it fair to assume this family had a bad reputation with at least part of the community?*

- their land was a car cemetary
- the grand father was a sex offender
- teenage pregnancy was the norm
- they threatened and fought occasionnally
- they stopped attending their church
- they welcomed a drug addict in their home

...and they chose to raise their children in this environment? Personnally, I would have alerted Child Services.

I had a feeling that lack of consideration and even hate transpired from the "Hazlitt" story.* I am not saying they deserved. I am saying hate could have been a factor.

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They'd have been the talk of the town here. Even though their peers would have still told the Hazlitt reporter to shove off, most likely, all of the above would have caused folks around her to shake their collective heads. Not to mention talk about how sorry they felt for the children.

 

[jk204]

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They'd have been the talk of the town here. Even though their peers would have still told the Hazlitt reporter to shove off, most likely, all of the above would have caused folks around her to shake their collective heads. Not to mention talk about how sorry they felt for the children.

I mean no disrespect to the family here, but I need to place the full context.

Furthermore, it is my own "unverified" opinion, and I dare to speculate, that living conditions were probably difficult at least at CR1. Hence the bedbugs.

If I am not mistaken, this is where HR, CR2 lived before the last month. For anyone seeing HR becoming pregnant a second time, it would be a concern. Therefore came the move.

Remember that "crime had been in planning for* about a year". So this is where they were living when it started. This is Important.

In a case involving children, I would want to show this if I was leading prosecution. Therefore I will speculate and say this could be one of the reasons to keep the trailers

 

[jk204]

There is a lot of talk about "revenge scenarios" unrelated to children. Considering that:

1) Assaillants knew the family, the pregnancy and so on
And,
2) this have been in planning for about a year

Then I fail to see why assaillants would choose this moment to carry out the crime

In my opinion, the Children themselves are the motives or, at the very least, the ignition.

I don't think Reader is bluffing at all. And my own personal opinion is made up on this.

 

[jk204]

Am I writing too much stuff here? Your following . Almost done. But not yet

 

[jk204]

I will let you digest this first. I will come back

 

[jk204]

Please someone help me find Dewine's comment regarding the long planning phase

 

[rsd1200]

I mean no disrespect to the family here, but I need to place the full context.

Furthermore, it is my own "unverified" opinion, and I dare to speculate, that living conditions were probably difficult at least at CR1. Hence the bedbugs.

If I am not mistaken, this is where HR, CR2 lived before the last month. For anyone seeing HR becoming pregnant a second time, it would be a concern. Therefore came the move.

Remember that "crime had been in planning for* about a year". So this is where they were living when it started. This is Important.

In a case involving children, I would want to show this if I was leading prosecution. Therefore I will speculate and say this could be one of the reasons to keep the trailers

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LM described CR1's trailer as a box w/a roof. So I'd not think it to be baby friendly at all, as I took that to mean it most likely was pretty sparse inside. Back a few threads ago, someone had said that DR was living in the trailer below KR, and the person living there now, was living w/FR & HHG. Would CR2 and HR have been living there w/their mother? I don't have anything from MSM or a quote from family stating that was the living arrangements though. There are also three potential fathers which makes this second pregnancy even a bit more complicated.

 

[jk204]

I have 2 theories with respect to the children: Having the children or Saving the children.

Scenario A) Assaillant(s) were hoping to gain custody or access to children or were upset to be denied as parent.

I think about the father and other men. But there were also previous cases where a woman killed for a child. Especially in an area where having a baby seems to be a factor of social inclusion.

In this scenario, the assailant(s) had some kind of relationship with KR.

and/or Scenario B) Assaillant(s) believed the family members were a threat to the children and/or to the community due to their history, lifestyle or behaviour.

This would make it a "people's justice" or a hate crime. In this case, I would look for extremists, paramilitary, religious fanatics. The assailant(s) would have needed complicity from another person close to the victims.

 

[jk204]

It's late here. Good night

 

[rsd1200]

There is a lot of talk about "revenge scenarios" unrelated to children. Considering that:

1) Assaillants knew the family, the pregnancy and so on
And,
2) this have been in planning for about a year

Then I fail to see why assaillants would choose this moment to carry out the crime

In my opinion, the Children themselves are the motives or, at the very least, the ignition.

I don't think Reader is bluffing at all. And my own personal opinion is made up on this.

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I tend to agree that if it was not about the children per se, that something surrounding them, could have been the ignition. I'll see if I can find that quote about the year. I seem to remember that too.

 

[Jax49]

Please someone help me find Dewine's comment regarding the long planning phase

Good luck (not snark, serious).

When it was posted here several months ago and I doubted it, I took it upon myself to search for such a comment.

I spent many hours researching and still didn't find anything.

The closest I found was that it wasn't spur of the moment, but no indication it was planned for a year.

 

[Margo/Mom]

http://www.dispatch.com/news/201701...istance-money-to-family-of-christopher-rhoden

The state has denied crime victim status for Christopher Rhoden (which would have assisted with funeral expenses) based on the finding that he was growing/producing a felony level amount of marijuana.

Other family members have already received funds--suggesting that they were not determined to have been involved.

 

[rsd1200]

This isn't what you were looking for jk204 but,

[FONT=&quot]were [/FONT][FONT=&quot]“methodical and well-planned.”[/FONT][FONT=&quot] This was not a spur of the moment or crime of passion according to officials.[/FONT]

And something I'd not remembered in the reporting of the msm, the speculation of a silencer:

[FONT=&quot]There is also speculation on the weapon(s) used, with some saying that it was almost certain that at least one silencer was used in the crimes as most of the people were shot in their sleep and didn’t wake up.[/FONT]

http://ufpnews.com/sheriff-well-planned-methodical/

 

[rsd1200]

I have 2 theories with respect to the children: Having the children or Saving the children.

Scenario A) Assaillant(s) were hoping to gain custody or access to children or were upset to be denied as parent.

I think about the father and other men. But there were also previous cases where a woman killed for a child. Especially in an area where having a baby seems to be a factor of social inclusion.

In this scenario, the assailant(s) had some kind of relationship with KR.

and/or Scenario B) Assaillant(s) believed the family members were a threat to the children and/or to the community due to their history, lifestyle or behaviour.

This would make it a "people's justice" or a hate crime. In this case, I would look for extremists, paramilitary, religious fanatics. The assailant(s) would have needed complicity from another person close to the victims.

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Those are both certainly possibilities. DR and family had been there for almost one month to the day when the murders took place. What if that 3rd potential father never wanted to be named? He couldn't be forced to now take a DNA test, could he, if the mother, and family, is deceased, and now no one can say 100% that he was a possibility.

 

[jk204]

Good luck (not snark, serious).

When it was posted here several months ago and I doubted it, I took it upon myself to search for such a comment.

I spent many hours researching and still didn't find anything.

The closest I found was that it wasn't spur of the moment, but no indication it was planned for a year.

Video ?