OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #24

[RAISINISBACK]

BBM.
That's us. Just not outside the family so much though. I do have one kid who puts his entire life on view to the world, though. The whole family is bumfuzzled by it. He's always lived his life out loud though. No filter. There's one in every family though and mine is ours! :tantrum: lol So, I'd guess, that as much as the younger Rhodens shared on FB, that at least one or two shared more outside the home than their parent's generation did. Someone has to know something. Maybe they don't know that they know though.

These days people share a lot more on FB and social media especially younger people. Those kids post every five minutes. If there is anything my grandkids leave out in their phone calls I can read it on FB. I know the older people in my family (like me) rarely posts on FB.

You are right, there are no filters these days. I knew a lot less about what my son was doing as a teenager than I do about my grandkids. That is a good thing in a way. You don't have to sit down with them everyday and pump them for information on their activities and friends.

The younger kids in the Rhoden family didn't look to be any different in their posting habits than any other teenager or young person in the US. I too feel like someone knows something and may not know what is important. Maybe a lot of someones.

 

[gorillla]

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I tend to agree. However, it still doesn't account for why they've not allowed the kids to go with a bio parent or family member. It does not take that long for dna tests to come back re; who is the bio dad. Them not giving them to bio parents/family makes me feel that there's some sort of internal strife within the family that could be detrimental to the children.

I've thought about that too. I think they're keeping the kids from the family because LE has little to no evidence in the murder Investigation. I truly believe that they have NOTHING (I'll explain below), so they cannot rule out family involvement. If LE and Child family services doesn't know if they're releasing these kids to loving family members or stop Cold killers, they can't possibly know what's in the kids best interest.

Some reasons I think LE has very little evidence in this case:

1. the lack of updates on this case
2. the bizarre (and historically unprecedented) moving of the crime scenes to warehouse storage
3. whenever asked about this case BCI AND sheriff's office always want to talk about how this is the "biggest investigation in Ohio history". And talks about how many investigators they have working on it - how many man hours they put in - how many counties and agencies are involved - and blah blah.
4. Saying "we don't just want an arrest, we want a Conviction" -- ummm, no-- if they had even the slightest hint of probably case, they'd have made an arrest.

There are a few others, but these are the main reasons. I honestly think they hit a roadblock early on in the case and just never got any further.

LE has also made it clear that they do not believe everyone has been honest with them, including friends and family. It is possible that the kids reunification plan involves some of these ppl who LE thinks is lying.

It could also be something as simple as one of the parties filing for custody having illegal narcotics in their system or an "unsafe living environment . If that were the case, Family Services would give that party a reunification case plan to work on in order to get the kid back from CFS custody. This could take a long time too...

This is all MO and speculation. Just brainstorming here because I have experience with Child Family services and juvenile custody court in the state of Ohio (my sons mother had some issues). I know that it can be an absolute nightmare to resolve.


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[DeDee]

Could this crime be as simple as "feed up"? Could the resentments of this family have started with the devision of the family over the "Clarence" thing. CRsr and KR verses TR and BRsr? One set of brothers siding with their father and the other set siding with their mother?
Remember these are "country people". I was brought up this way. A piece of land was important to have, it showed status and ownership of your own. On that land and in the home, it was your and your families business what happened there. You don't discuss what goes on in your home with "outsiders" and certainly nothing that would bring shame to the family name. This was a great wrong! Pride in the family name was the most important thing to my father!
CRsr and his family and influence on the "victim" got his father released from prison. Loose to do it again, or not getting his "come upins" for the terrible crime he commented. CRsr receiving the "lions" share of the land and buying up more, and him taking up for his father didn't set well with family, friends and neighbors.
Now add that the property looks like a "junk pile", Children are now young adults that are contributing to the mess. Growing and selling pot and maybe something else? Getting in fights, bragging about all they have, "Lording" themselves over these small communities (UHR, Camp Creek Rd, Left Fork Rd, maybe even BBL and Piketon). From what I've read and heard they seemed to have a sense of entitlement around there, that they were "better" than most of their peres. Ruling over the entire road of Union Hill carrying weapons and attitudes with them.
Could the neighbors, friends and family have finally said "enough is enough"? IMO they didn't see an ending of this behavior from this family. Now they have even more property and another place to fill with junk cars, drugs and teenagers partying or dealing drugs and causing more trouble.
IMO, all these people had watched as their neighborhood decline more and more. Maybe to them, these family was the reason for it all. IMO this had been "brewing" for a long time.
Maybe "they" saw the Rhoden family as immoral, trouble makers, with no end in sight or improvement of their bahavior. Others joined in because of their own reason's, but "all" had a common goal. To get rid of the Rhoden's, once and for all.
The babies were left because they were to young to be corruped by the family yet, and maybe to give them a chance to "redem" this branch of the Rhoden family.
Could it have been that simple?
(These are my thoughts and opinions)

(If this is true, it would explain "why" no one is talking. They all know why it was done, and maybe not who did it.)

amauet1, I do believe that you have written the plot. In the beginning, the murders seemed so odd to allow the children to live although I'm thrilled they were spared. It certainly seems plausible that a dark cloud of terror built by one incident, followed by another, that led to a perfect storm, compliments of King of the Hill

 

[Dudly]

I've thought about that too. I think they're keeping the kids from the family because LE has little to no evidence in the murder Investigation. I truly believe that they have NOTHING (I'll explain below), so they cannot rule out family involvement. If LE and Child family services doesn't know if they're releasing these kids to loving family members or stop Cold killers, they can't possibly know what's in the kids best interest.

Some reasons I think LE has very little evidence in this case:

1. the lack of updates on this case
2. the bizarre (and historically unprecedented) moving of the crime scenes to warehouse storage
3. whenever asked about this case BCI AND sheriff's office always want to talk about how this is the "biggest investigation in Ohio history". And talks about how many investigators they have working on it - how many man hours they put in - how many counties and agencies are involved - and blah blah.
4. Saying "we don't just want an arrest, we want a Conviction" -- ummm, no-- if they had even the slightest hint of probably case, they'd have made an arrest.

There are a few others, but these are the main reasons. I honestly think they hit a roadblock early on in the case and just never got any further.

LE has also made it clear that they do not believe everyone has been honest with them, including friends and family. It is possible that the kids reunification plan involves some of these ppl who LE thinks is lying.

It could also be something as simple as one of the parties filing for custody having illegal narcotics in their system or an "unsafe living environment . If that were the case, Family Services would give that party a reunification case plan to work on in order to get the kid back from CFS custody. This could take a long time too...

This is all MO and speculation. Just brainstorming here because I have experience with Child Family services and juvenile custody court in the state of Ohio (my sons mother had some issues). I know that it can be an absolute nightmare to resolve.


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I keep going back to thinking they have no idea who did this...

 

[glf]

Some things never come out, and nobody ever knows a thing...but, coming from a small town, (7900), we didn't have many murders, but they were all solved, even tho in one case the wrong man was jailed and tried for a murder he didn't committ,v and the truth did not come out until they put him on the witness stand, and he stood up and pointed out the real murderer, who supposedly was their to show support for his friend on trial! Hope I never have any "friends" like him!

 

[rsd1200]

I've thought about that too. I think they're keeping the kids from the family because LE has little to no evidence in the murder Investigation. I truly believe that they have NOTHING (I'll explain below), so they cannot rule out family involvement. If LE and Child family services doesn't know if they're releasing these kids to loving family members or stop Cold killers, they can't possibly know what's in the kids best interest.

Some reasons I think LE has very little evidence in this case:

1. the lack of updates on this case
2. the bizarre (and historically unprecedented) moving of the crime scenes to warehouse storage
3. whenever asked about this case BCI AND sheriff's office always want to talk about how this is the "biggest investigation in Ohio history". And talks about how many investigators they have working on it - how many man hours they put in - how many counties and agencies are involved - and blah blah.
4. Saying "we don't just want an arrest, we want a Conviction" -- ummm, no-- if they had even the slightest hint of probably case, they'd have made an arrest.

There are a few others, but these are the main reasons. I honestly think they hit a roadblock early on in the case and just never got any further.

LE has also made it clear that they do not believe everyone has been honest with them, including friends and family. It is possible that the kids reunification plan involves some of these ppl who LE thinks is lying.

It could also be something as simple as one of the parties filing for custody having illegal narcotics in their system or an "unsafe living environment . If that were the case, Family Services would give that party a reunification case plan to work on in order to get the kid back from CFS custody. This could take a long time too...

This is all MO and speculation. Just brainstorming here because I have experience with Child Family services and juvenile custody court in the state of Ohio (my sons mother had some issues). I know that it can be an absolute nightmare to resolve.


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BBM

I see your point, and you could very well be right. This is a small town, w/a very new sheriff who has a team that has never had to deal with something like this. I found it a bit odd, maybe I shouldn't have, that Reader didn't know that BJM had gone in for a lie detector test. (That was mentioned in the Hazlitt article.) That led me to believe that it's possible that BCI is playing a larger role than local LE and local LE may be getting left out of the loop early on.

They may also have some sort of idea, but w/o concrete evidence, they can't get a conviction, and the assailant(s) would walk.

Agree on the point surrounding child services too. Unless the people who want the children , just do not work on their reunification plan, can't knock the drugs, etc..., or are sent to jail for a long period of time, I've found that child services will usually work to keep the family together. Child services does work w/LE behind the scenes though and does keep that info mum (at least they do here). However, to keep the family bond intact, the parent(s)/family member is usually given a couple hours of supervised visitation, at the very least. At this point, if a father has been determined, you'd think they'd have visitation. Even grandparents can share in those visits here.

 

[amauet1]

Remember, this county and surrounding counties were putting together some kind of " Drug force" and iirc, Reader was on that force. It started before the murders happened. I think Reader was in charge of it appointed by Pros. Junk? The pot in the mail, and finding a "shatter lab"?
Anyway, I got the impression that "the powers that be" have gotten a lot of info about what happens around Southeastern Ohio in the drug trade and a lot of "busts" have went down since the murders. To me either the murders opened a whole lot of "cans of worms" that they might have been working on, or they gained some new intel to make these busts.
I would still like to find out why LE was at the Rhoden's the Saturday before these murders went down. I remember LM saying something about it in one of his interviews he did at the roadblocks.
rsd, do you remember this?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Could this crime be as simple as "feed up"? Could the resentments of this family have started with the devision of the family over the "Clarence" thing. CRsr and KR verses TR and BRsr? One set of brothers siding with their father and the other set siding with their mother?
Remember these are "country people". I was brought up this way. A piece of land was important to have, it showed status and ownership of your own. On that land and in the home, it was your and your families business what happened there. You don't discuss what goes on in your home with "outsiders" and certainly nothing that would bring shame to the family name. This was a great wrong! Pride in the family name was the most important thing to my father!
CRsr and his family and influence on the "victim" got his father released from prison. Loose to do it again, or not getting his "come upins" for the terrible crime he commented. CRsr receiving the "lions" share of the land and buying up more, and him taking up for his father didn't set well with family, friends and neighbors.
Now add that the property looks like a "junk pile", Children are now young adults that are contributing to the mess. Growing and selling pot and maybe something else? Getting in fights, bragging about all they have, "Lording" themselves over these small communities (UHR, Camp Creek Rd, Left Fork Rd, maybe even BBL and Piketon). From what I've read and heard they seemed to have a sense of entitlement around there, that they were "better" than most of their peres. Ruling over the entire road of Union Hill carrying weapons and attitudes with them.
Could the neighbors, friends and family have finally said "enough is enough"? IMO they didn't see an ending of this behavior from this family. Now they have even more property and another place to fill with junk cars, drugs and teenagers partying or dealing drugs and causing more trouble.
IMO, all these people had watched as their neighborhood decline more and more. Maybe to them, these family was the reason for it all. IMO this had been "brewing" for a long time.
Maybe "they" saw the Rhoden family as immoral, trouble makers, with no end in sight or improvement of their bahavior. Others joined in because of their own reason's, but "all" had a common goal. To get rid of the Rhoden's, once and for all.
The babies were left because they were to young to be corruped by the family yet, and maybe to give them a chance to "redem" this branch of the Rhoden family.
Could it have been that simple?
(These are my thoughts and opinions)

(If this is true, it would explain "why" no one is talking. They all know why it was done, and maybe not who did it.)

I have thought a lot about what you are saying and I would think there would be easier ways to get rid of obnoxious drug dealing neighbors than planning and carrying out the murders of eight people. I would have just put in a call to the DEA to report them. Then I would have followed that up with a quiet call to the IRS and reported all that cash money they were making from the drugs and maybe the sales of cars. I would have kept calling until they sent someone to investigate. CR1 GR, and KR would have went to jail and lost the property. The IRS would have nailed them for back taxes insuring that when they did get out of jail they wouldn't have money to buy any land. And while the DEA might have notified local LE of an investigation, the IRS would not. That would be tons easier but then that's just me.

 

[jk204]

Ok I got some questions. There were a lot of people there that night that decided not to stay with the Rhodens and even though we have "heard or read" why. I just don't believe all of it.

Jake Wagner : picked up his and HR's daughter at 10:30 pm. Night of 4-21-16.
Chelsea Robinson: dropped of her and Frankie's son (don't know arrival time) left at 10:30 pm. Night of 4-21-16.
(Hmmm.... wonder if they passed each other?)
Kendra Rhoden and Bf: She was following HR home from a doctor's appt. I think. Bf gets a "toothache and a babysitting job comes up suddenly " They turn around and go back home or to babysitting job.
M Gilly: was going to spend night with HHG or HR (can't remember which) has a bag packed drives right by UHR. Changed her mind was to tired or ?
Donald Stone : was supposed to stay the night with KR and help him fix cars or go to car auctions? But decided to do something else instead.
Tony Rhoden: talked to CRsr that night (time?) about fixing a faucet at DR's the next day and would see him at work.
The Manley family : IMO knew pretty much what went on in all the Rhoden homes. Either being told themselves or relating gossip to each other. Lived very close to each other, helped each other, CLOSE. So close that this family is the ones to find the victims.

Now I understand Reader's statement about people not telling the truth of what they know.
These are only my opinions.

Good theory. Factually though, I haven't read anywhere the witnesses were aware of trouble brewing. Not sure they would say so openly either.

Let's speculate there were rumours floating about trouble:

- Could it explain why BJM brought friends with her to do her work at CR1? I never understood that part.

The rumour could have been floating, It's a possibility. It doesn't* necessarily mean it's directly related to the crime.

 

[jk204]

Have you paid attention to this?

During that interview her mom, Stacie Rigsby, added: "If it is a family member they should pay just like anyone else."

Kendra: "If a family member could do this, well they aren't family ... Justice will find you always.

"It may take awhile,'' she added. "But justice always finds you."

*http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ed-rhoden-case-have-not-been-candid/94294522/

SR said it first, then her daughter KR added to it. SR is the ex-wife of one of the victims. She is also the mother of an important witness. Therefore she is relatively close to the investigation.

I find this comment, made after 8 months into the investigation, significant.

 

[jk204]

I like to read old stories and put them on top of the pile

*http://www.11alive.com/mb/news/nati...o-hope-3-months-after-8-were-killed/280275607

Kendra Rhoden, Kenneth Rhoden's daughter, writes "Fly High Babes" on Brandon Rhoden's car before he competes in the Pike County Demolition Derby. Brandon is competing with a car that belonged to his cousin, killed on April 22.

"Fly High Babes" Sweet farewell. My guess, it's for Hannah & Hanna. Two attractive young mothers with babies.

 

[gorillla]

Remember, this county and surrounding counties were putting together some kind of " Drug force" and iirc, Reader was on that force. It started before the murders happened. I think Reader was in charge of it appointed by Pros. Junk? The pot in the mail, and finding a "shatter lab"?
Anyway, I got the impression that "the powers that be" have gotten a lot of info about what happens around Southeastern Ohio in the drug trade and a lot of "busts" have went down since the murders. To me either the murders opened a whole lot of "cans of worms" that they might have been working on, or they gained some new intel to make these busts.
I would still like to find out why LE was at the Rhoden's the Saturday before these murders went down. I remember LM saying something about it in one of his interviews he did at the roadblocks.
rsd, do you remember this?

I remember LM talking about that, but I was under the impression that interview was several days after April 22nd, and that he was referring to an instance after the murders. If I'm wrong, then I'd like to know what he's talking about also.


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[rsd1200]

Remember, this county and surrounding counties were putting together some kind of " Drug force" and iirc, Reader was on that force. It started before the murders happened. I think Reader was in charge of it appointed by Pros. Junk? The pot in the mail, and finding a "shatter lab"?
Anyway, I got the impression that "the powers that be" have gotten a lot of info about what happens around Southeastern Ohio in the drug trade and a lot of "busts" have went down since the murders. To me either the murders opened a whole lot of "cans of worms" that they might have been working on, or they gained some new intel to make these busts.
I would still like to find out why LE was at the Rhoden's the Saturday before these murders went down. I remember LM saying something about it in one of his interviews he did at the roadblocks.
rsd, do you remember this?

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The thing that I remember happening was 10 days prior to the murders. It was when those guys were said to be out "joyriding" and the Rhodens came out with ball bats and even a firearm(s) were said to be visible. One person stated that they were nearly pulled out of their car, and another said they lived near UHR, and it was not uncommon for a gun (misspelled as "gin") to be pointed at someone. I don't think it was joyriding b/c one of the poster's said "well when ur drive out to the dumb***** house with ur dudes..."

I have a link w/the conversation but unsure if I can post it due to TOS.

 

[rsd1200]

I have thought a lot about what you are saying and I would think there would be easier ways to get rid of obnoxious drug dealing neighbors than planning and carrying out the murders of eight people. I would have just put in a call to the DEA to report them. Then I would have followed that up with a quiet call to the IRS and reported all that cash money they were making from the drugs and maybe the sales of cars. I would have kept calling until they sent someone to investigate. CR1 GR, and KR would have went to jail and lost the property. The IRS would have nailed them for back taxes insuring that when they did get out of jail they wouldn't have money to buy any land. And while the DEA might have notified local LE of an investigation, the IRS would not. That would be tons easier but then that's just me.

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That's what you or I would have done. Someone hated these folks.

 

[rsd1200]

Good theory. Factually though, I haven't read anywhere the witnesses were aware of trouble brewing. Not sure they would say so openly either.

Let's speculate there were rumours floating about trouble:

- Could it explain why BJM brought friends with her to do her work at CR1? I never understood that part.

The rumour could have been floating, It's a possibility. It doesn't* necessarily mean it's directly related to the crime.

BBM
I got to thinking back to my 30s, and I had a couple close friends, who, for no other reason than for something to do, we'd go anywhere with the others. There's little entertainment where I live. I'd guess the same is true for Piketon. Give us a pretty day, any reason to get out of the house, turn the volume up in the car, drive through the countryside, ya'll get the picture. However, since BJM was going to feed all of those chickens and dogs, I'd not have just sat in the car, I'd have gotten out to help. That's what I found kind of odd. Even if the friend didn't need my help, I'd probably still have gotten out of the car, and tagged along.

 

[gorillla]

BBM
I got to thinking back to my 30s, and I had a couple close friends, who, for no other reason than for something to do, we'd go anywhere with the others. There's little entertainment where I live. I'd guess the same is true for Piketon. Give us a pretty day, any reason to get out of the house, turn the volume up in the car, drive through the countryside, ya'll get the picture. However, since BJM was going to feed all of those chickens and dogs, I'd not have just sat in the car, I'd have gotten out to help. That's what I found kind of odd. Even if the friend didn't need my help, I'd probably still have gotten out of the car, and tagged along.

BBM
This could be significant too. Could indicate that BJM planned on being in and out of CRsr's quickly... possibly to pick something up? It's always been my thought that BJM wasn't being truthful about why she was there -- I just can't decide if I think she was there to tend to the pot plants or to pick something up (morning fix?)*


and of course, this is all speculation and MO. There has been no proof of this girl using or having used any narcotics, so it may not be fair to make any assumptions -- but it is a plausible scenario for the dishonesty and the 2 ppl waiting in the car.


Anyway, I feel like we're touching on theories and ideas that were brought up back in May and June. I just can't get over this case! I honestly don't think it will ever be solved and that really bums me out. It'd be nice to have Josh and Rachel from Killing Season go to Pike County and get some answers.

 

[Flatbush]

OK.....
There is a flaw in the slaw, conflicting stories here.


KR was to be at work in Columbus early according to his daughter KR. She said he would have left early, and his phone those first hours went to voicemail, she thought he was at work.


Along comes DS all cleaned up and he goes to KRs camper to check on him after a time. (Why did he wait to check on him...) His story you can look back and see.


HOWEVER. DS said he was supposed to spend the night with KR as they were to work on cars that morning, BUT he decided to spend the night with his girlfriend instead.


KR said she talked to her dad often, so I would THINK she's telling the truth.
Both of these stories simply cannot be true.

 

[jk204]

BBM
I got to thinking back to my 30s, and I had a couple close friends, who, for no other reason than for something to do, we'd go anywhere with the others. There's little entertainment where I live. I'd guess the same is true for Piketon. Give us a pretty day, any reason to get out of the house, turn the volume up in the car, drive through the countryside, ya'll get the picture. However, since BJM was going to feed all of those chickens and dogs, I'd not have just sat in the car, I'd have gotten out to help. That's what I found kind of odd. Even if the friend didn't need my help, I'd probably still have gotten out of the car, and tagged along.

You could be right. May be it was their first time at CR1. Maybe with the large number of cars they thought they had a lot of visitors.

 

[rsd1200]

BBM
This could be significant too. Could indicate that BJM planned on being in and out of CRsr's quickly... possibly to pick something up? It's always been my thought that BJM wasn't being truthful about why she was there -- I just can't decide if I think she was there to tend to the pot plants or to pick something up (morning fix?)*


and of course, this is all speculation and MO. There has been no proof of this girl using or having used any narcotics, so it may not be fair to make any assumptions -- but it is a plausible scenario for the dishonesty and the 2 ppl waiting in the car.


Anyway, I feel like we're touching on theories and ideas that were brought up back in May and June. I just can't get over this case! I honestly don't think it will ever be solved and that really bums me out. It'd be nice to have Josh and Rachel from Killing Season go to Pike County and get some answers.

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BJM baffles me. I don't see her as a dope user. Not really even a pot smoker. There's history on FB that shows that she's cleaned for them for at least five years. Maybe she was going to just run in and out. Me, I'd not have just let myself in w/a key, if the door was locked and it was usually open. Why, if they were so security conscious would it usually be open though?

BBM
I'm totally obsessed with this case too. In case no one noticed. :gaah:

 

[jk204]

OK.....
There is a flaw in the slaw, conflicting stories here.


KR was to be at work in Columbus early according to his daughter KR. She said he would have left early, and his phone those first hours went to voicemail, she thought he was at work.


Along comes DS all cleaned up and he goes to KRs camper to check on him after a time. (Why did he wait to check on him...) His story you can look back and see.


HOWEVER. DS said he was supposed to spend the night with KR as they were to work on cars that morning, BUT he decided to spend the night with his girlfriend instead.


KR said she talked to her dad often, so I would THINK she's telling the truth.
Both of these stories simply cannot be true.

Good point. Let's get the exact words and links to see if the stories really conflict. I also remember LR being in the picture

I would not make any assumption as to who is truthful