OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #29

[Gunslinging Granny]

Addiction is NOT a choice. I believe that there are some very opinionated, and yet ignorant, folks here spewing very hateful and offensive words about those who have been afflicted with addiction. When someone over uses ANY substance or activity, the chemistry in the brain begins to change. That continuous change in brain chemistry causes the person to make irrational decisions. Irrational decisions that those who are not "over using" could not possibly comprehend, because their brain chemistry is "normal".

I know this because I am a recovering addict. I respectfully ask that if you are not a medical professional with experience in treating addiction, or an addict yourself with experience, that you please refrain from blaming people for being unfortunate enough to have to live with addiction. It is simply offensive.

I share this with love and hope.

I'm retired from a professional occupation where I worked daily in with addicts. I have two master's degrees. If my posts are offensive, then use the block option.

 

[rsd1200]

BBM

I agree. No one uses a drug to purposely get addicted. It happens and no one ever thinks it will happen to them. I heard on the news last night that for some people it only takes one Oxycontin pill for some people to get addicted. Imagine. Take one pill and be an addict for life? The Dr's should be much more cautious when prescribing pain relievers. Start small with something non addicting and work forward if that doesn't work. I remember back in the day when Dr's only prescribed 10 pain pills no matter what surgery. 10 pills, no refills.


Add religion to that list of addictions.That is my son's drug of choice. I told him he is so worried about the end of time and getting into Heaven he can't enjoy the world he lives in today.

Agree. No matter the faith, I've seen it consume folks to the point that they've lost the true meaning.

 

[MVLM]

I agree with you in that the kids were removed before parents were shot. This is just so bizarre and weird to me. To kill off an entire family is as cold and heartless as it gets. I mean... you have to be a monster and demonic to do that, yet these monsters and demons took time and care to spare the children which is absolutely opposite of cold, heartless and demonic. I do not believe AT ALL that gangs did this... they would not show this kind of concern. Seriously, this sparing of the children just absolutely flummoxes me. One thing does not mix with the other.

See, it tells me there was a woman involved. A woman would look at it as retribution on adults, but kids as innocents.

 

[Betty P]

See, it tells me there was a woman involved. A woman would look at it as retribution on adults, but kids as innocents.

But they were ok with killing a 16 yo boy and a 19 yo girl, just barely out of high school? That's a warped sense of values. To me, those are still kids.

 

[chigger]

But they were ok with killing a 16 yo boy and a 19 yo girl, just barely out of high school? That's a warped sense of values. To me, those are still kids.

I think if someone cared enough to actually remove the babies before killing the parents, why in the world would they put them back in the bed? With their bloody,murdered parents? I'm sure there was a crib or bassinet handy.Hells, bells, I think that shows they didn't care about those babies at all.

 

[Elley Mae]

Murder on Union Hill Road

http://hazlitt.net/murder-union-hill-road

 

[jk204]

But they were ok with killing a 16 yo boy and a 19 yo girl, just barely out of high school? That's a warped sense of values. To me, those are still kids.

I agree, I was going to say it.

A woman who would spare children AND dogs. IMO, the perps knew and loved the dogs.

A woman who would consider HR as an adult like her and not a child. Obvious at 20, not that obvious above 40.

 

[Elley Mae]

But they were ok with killing a 16 yo boy and a 19 yo girl, just barely out of high school? That's a warped sense of values. To me, those are still kids.

I still think it didn't matter because or their age or were overlooked.

 

[jk204]

Murder on Union Hill Road

http://hazlitt.net/murder-union-hill-road

Great reading. Loved it. But it's not MSM and mod erased it last time I referred to it.

 

[rsd1200]

I'm sorry but I sincerely disagree. The opioid epidemic is a crisis that is killing a record number of people in this country. Does that mean that suddenly, the number of Americans using heroin tripled because they all want to feel stoned??
I knew a woman who was a stay at home mom of 3 adopted, special needs children. Years back, she was in a serious car accident and destroyed several vertebrae in her spine. She suffered through years of surgeries and pain. Her doctor eventually prescribed an opioid pain killer. She finally found relief from chronic pain and her long-time doctor assured her that the drug was completely safe.
That was years ago, before the drug companies cared to admit that their newest pain killer affects the same neurotransmitters as heroin and morphine.
Long story short, while there are some addicts who chose to abuse pain killers or street drugs, there truly are a good number of people overdosing on fentynal-laced heroin that go to church with you, work next to you each day, and even family members!
Too many people are living in denial that heroin could ever be a problem for the regular old Joe Schmo but it's happening! A lot!

To jump off of your post; Whether it is H or opiates, or any other addiction, it is my firm belief that it is b/c of genetics, or their brains are wired differently. I've lived with someone addicted to alcohol, many years ago. Promises to quit were never kept, found stashes hidden around the house. Made it one time for 2-3 days til the DTs hit. That was a pretty unsettling event to put it mildly. I finally told them that they had to move on, I couldn't take it any longer.

The addicts that I've been around were not in a clinical setting. These were my friends, they have eaten at my table and slept under my roof. I'd known them for many years. Many are gone now. Some tried AA, some tried NA, some had families with the finances to get them into private rehab, some were able to succeed with methadone, for quite a few nothing helped, and not so long ago I've watched parents bury their child who swam in the same rivers and creeks with mine.

The SAP certificate that they get, if they get tossed in jail for awhile isn't worth the paper it's written on. It does not prepare them for going back into the community from whence they came, especially if it is a very small one where all of their friends, and family, live and some are also using what got the newly released person busted.

The idea that an addict can walk up to a treatment center and just check themselves in is a fallacy. I guess if you have thousands of dollars at your disposal for a private one you can do so but most folks w/a drug problem don't. Took three months of calling, every single day, just to keep their name on a list for a bed opening (I know, b/c I did the calling, as the facility didn't accept calls from inmates), to get a loved one into one. If you missed a day of calling your name was removed and you had to start over at the bottom of the list. That was tough for me to remember. I had to set a reminder on my phone. I was calling three places, who agreed to put the person on the list, every day. The places only took folks referred from court. I called almost every facility in this state (no point in calling the ones for only the opposite sex).

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/genetics-epigenetics-addiction

 

[rsd1200]

I'm retired from a professional occupation where I worked daily in with addicts. I have two master's degrees. If my posts are offensive, then use the block option.

(snipped for brevity) A study of young, urban injection drug users interviewed in 2008 and 2009 found that 86 percent had used opioid pain relievers nonmedically prior to using heroin.
https://www.drugabuse.gov/publicati...rescription-opioid-use-risk-factor-heroin-use

This is in reference to where I live, and what is happening around me, and our social norms/culture. I live in a rural area in the Appalachian Foothills. I've watched this grow around me.

(2014 February)The marketing of prescription opioids such as OxyContin has been more aggressive in rural communities such as those surrounding Appalachia.92
Rural populations are on average older than are urban populations93,94; thus, there may be more chronic pain for which management with opioid analgesics is indicated. Furthermore, evidence indicates that chronic pain and injury are more common in rural than in urban areas.95–97 Finally, qualitative research indicates that prescription drug use in rural areas such as Appalachian Kentucky is an embedded part of the culture of the area, with prescription narcotics often prescribed to maintain a steady workflow in mines and other heavy labor occupations.98 A higher density of available opioids may create opportunities for illegal markets in rural areas because family and friends are a primary distribution source of nonmedical prescription opioids.68–73,99

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3935688/

"We know that some elderly patients use their prescriptions as a strategy for increasing income," said Sharon Walsh, director of the University of Kentucky Center for Drug and Alcohol Research in Lexington.
Walsh said older Americans who sell their prescriptions do not operate like traditional drug dealers. Instead, they sell, and sometimes share, their medications through a network of friends and family members, often without a good understanding of the dangers or potential legal consequences.
"People, especially in rural communities, they don't see anything wrong with selling or sharing prescription medications," Walsh said. "It's a culturally accepted thing" to supply medication to a person who is in pain.

BBM Not uncommon at all for as long as I can remember. It's theirs, they paid for it. If it would kill you the doc wouldn't give it to you.

http://www.aarp.org/health/drugs-supplements/info-2017/selling-prescription-medications-opioids.html

 

[Dudly]

To jump off of your post; Whether it is H or opiates, or any other addiction, it is my firm belief that it is b/c of genetics, or their brains are wired differently. I've lived with someone addicted to alcohol, many years ago. Promises to quit were never kept, found stashes hidden around the house. Made it one time for 2-3 days til the DTs hit. That was a pretty unsettling event to put it mildly. I finally told them that they had to move on, I couldn't take it any longer.

The addicts that I've been around were not in a clinical setting. These were my friends, they have eaten at my table and slept under my roof. I'd known them for many years. Many are gone now. Some tried AA, some tried NA, some had families with the finances to get them into private rehab, some were able to succeed with methadone, for quite a few nothing helped, and not so long ago I've watched parents bury their child who swam in the same rivers and creeks with mine.

The SAP certificate that they get, if they get tossed in jail for awhile isn't worth the paper it's written on. It does not prepare them for going back into the community from whence they came, especially if it is a very small one where all of their friends, and family, live and some are also using what got the newly released person busted.

The idea that an addict can walk up to a treatment center and just check themselves in is a fallacy. I guess if you have thousands of dollars at your disposal for a private one you can do so but most folks w/a drug problem don't. Took three months of calling, every single day, just to keep their name on a list for a bed opening (I know, b/c I did the calling, as the facility didn't accept calls from inmates), to get a loved one into one. If you missed a day of calling your name was removed and you had to start over at the bottom of the list. That was tough for me to remember. I had to set a reminder on my phone. I was calling three places, who agreed to put the person on the list, every day. The places only took folks referred from court. I called almost every facility in this state (no point in calling the ones for only the opposite sex).

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/genetics-epigenetics-addiction

I know someone that was told based on his family history he would be struggling with addiction his whole life. It could be alcohol, drugs, or gambling but it would be something addictive. His great grandmother, grand father, mother, and three aunts had alcohol problems to varying degrees and he was told that addiction can be hereditary....This came from a counselor at a count mental health department...

 

[Elley Mae]

My medical practitioner who also was my Mother's, brothers, and sister's Dr. Pretty much told me the same thing about 20 years ago. As she knew we were all drinkers. I stopped, no help just stopped.

I know someone that was told based on his family history he would be struggling with addiction his whole life. It could be alcohol, drugs, or gambling but it would be something addictive. His great grandmother, grand father, mother, and three aunts had alcohol problems to varying degrees and he was told that addiction can be hereditary....This came from a counselor at a count mental health department...

 

[rsd1200]

But they were ok with killing a 16 yo boy and a 19 yo girl, just barely out of high school? That's a warped sense of values. To me, those are still kids.

HMR had her 19th birthday on the 7th of that month, CR2 turned 16, on the 11th of that month, and HMG was barely 20. Not that anyone is ever old enough to justify being slaughtered in their own homes, but two young mothers and a kid who had probably just gotten his learners permit? :furious: Cowards.

 

[rsd1200]

I think if someone cared enough to actually remove the babies before killing the parents, why in the world would they put them back in the bed? With their bloody,murdered parents? I'm sure there was a crib or bassinet handy.Hells, bells, I think that shows they didn't care about those babies at all.

The assailant(s) brain functions differently than ours. I'd have never been in that room to have to make that decision; Should I put the baby somewhere else, or just tuck it back in the bed with his/her parent(s), who I've just slaughtered. Making the latter decision makes the assailant(s) seem even more demonic than they already did (if that could be possible).

 

[jk204]

The assailant(s) brain functions differently than ours. I'd have never been in that room to have to make that decision; Should I put the baby somewhere else, or just tuck it back in the bed with his/her parent(s), who I've just slaughtered. Making the latter decision makes the assailant(s) seem even more demonic than they already did (if that could be possible).

A woman , but may be not an experienced mother ...

 

[rsd1200]

A woman , but may be not an experienced mother ...

I really have felt, that there was a female there that night, and was much more active than being the driver, or the lookout. I'm thinking along the lines of one of the shooters, with a long term pent up hate toward the Rs and HHG.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Yes, anyone who had one of those things would know and could likely get there before, or shortly after, emergency personnel. An individual who I lived with back in the 80s had one of those things. I really disliked the thing, (noise around the clock) but it was back in the 80s and you had to get the crystals. There were crystals, if I'm remembering correctly, (the 80s seem so far away), that you were not supposed to have. However, the individual who had one that I was living with, had them ALL. Lightening struck the pole outside the house and a giant fireball shot through that thing, and out into the middle of the floor, and just melted it into an unrecognizable heap. Sweet silence. I'm sure there are still frequencies and such that you aren't supposed to have access to, but those who are into it, have all access.

I don't know of the device you're describing. So this may not provide the information you're referring to, but there are free apps to listen to virtually any fire, police, or ems call around the country. So anyone with a computer, tablet, smart watch, or smartphone could hear the calls between dispatch and the various services.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

I'm sorry but I sincerely disagree. The opioid epidemic is a crisis that is killing a record number of people in this country. Does that mean that suddenly, the number of Americans using heroin tripled because they all want to feel stoned??
I knew a woman who was a stay at home mom of 3 adopted, special needs children. Years back, she was in a serious car accident and destroyed several vertebrae in her spine. She suffered through years of surgeries and pain. Her doctor eventually prescribed an opioid pain killer. She finally found relief from chronic pain and her long-time doctor assured her that the drug was completely safe.
That was years ago, before the drug companies cared to admit that their newest pain killer affects the same neurotransmitters as heroin and morphine.
Long story short, while there are some addicts who chose to abuse pain killers or street drugs, there truly are a good number of people overdosing on fentynal-laced heroin that go to church with you, work next to you each day, and even family members!
Too many people are living in denial that heroin could ever be a problem for the regular old Joe Schmo but it's happening! A lot!

BBM
Go back and read my posts. Nowhere did I post that everyone on heroin is injecting it because they like to feel stoned and these people aren't addicted (experience physiological withdrawal symptoms upon abstinence.) Of course many recreational users of opioids eventually become addicted (feel withdrawal symptoms)!

What I stated is that there is a huge percentage of addicts that began using opioids (and became addicted) only because they liked to feel stoned (recreational users). There is a smaller percentage of addicts who had pain or chronic pain, were administered opioids, and then became addicted. I have personally witnessed numerous LE officers and one DA incorrectly teach crowds that the heroin epidemic is caused by doctors who prescribed pain pills to people with chronic pain. I'm sick of this. It's a lie and studies have proven it. The majority of heroin addicts are people who never had chronic pain. They started to use opioids recreationally to feel stoned and then eventually they became addicted.

 

[rsd1200]

I don't know of the device you're describing. So this may not provide the information you're referring to, but there are free apps to listen to virtually any fire, police, or ems call around the country. So anyone with a computer, tablet, smart watch, or smartphone could hear the calls between dispatch and the various services.

Yes, I've tuned into those, but have never looked into them much further than what is available to click on, on the county interface. The one that was in our place (was not mine) had what we called crystals that you bought at Radio Shack for different stations/frequencies. Some crystals could be bought that you weren't supposed to have (not from Radio Shack) that gave you access to frequencies that the law would talk on, that the public wouldn't normally have access to. I think it would be hard to keep folks from getting into the various frequencies these days. The crystals you weren't supposed to have were sold at certain pawn shops back in the day, iirc. Kinda like the radar busters that folks used to put in your cars to alert them if a cop was around. They weren't legal to have (in your car), but it was legal to buy them. Most folks never got caught with radar busters, or the police scanners w/the illegal crystals in them, unless they were caught doing something else and got them confiscated then. The person that had the scanner at our place was just nosy. If they heard any little thing, they'd dial up everyone in the county. :facepalm: