OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #32

[StrangeOne]

Has there been any movement from LE?

 

[Betty P]

I’m just waiting patiently for my eyes to come across the next one he shares that’s available and I’m gonna see about renting me a house and get some details about the exact address and such. I’d just like to know the location because if it’s not an area I’m interested in, I won’t bother to ask to see the place. If ya know had I mean. Every one I’ve seen so far, seems to go pretty quick and I haven’t caught it in time to inquire.

Where/how does he share these? JMO, this ties together a big part of my theory about the W family's possible illegal activities.

JMO, the church W's are tied to and the church on their property is also part of this. Who picks up and moves to AK based on their local church moving there? Why did the local church move to AK in the first place? What kind of pastor is so closely involved in the affairs of a family suspected of the murder of 8 people with possible involvement in drug/MJ trafficking?

 

[molly1255]

Where/how does he share these? JMO, this ties together a big part of my theory about the W family's possible illegal activities.

JMO, the church W's are tied to and the church on their property is also part of this. Who picks up and moves to AK based on their local church moving there? Why did the local church move to AK in the first place? What kind of pastor is so closely involved in the affairs of a family suspected of the murder of 8 people with possible involvement in drug/MJ trafficking?

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Where/how does he share these? JMO, this ties together a big part of my theory about the W family's possible illegal activities.

JMO, the church W's are tied to and the church on their property is also part of this. Who picks up and moves to AK based on their local church moving there? Why did the local church move to AK in the first place? What kind of pastor is so closely involved in the affairs of a family suspected of the murder of 8 people with possible involvement in drug/MJ trafficking?

Him and his wife share them on social media. The latest one was last month and it was on hers, not his. If she posts, she will say contact DS. Both always have a phone # and it will say house for rent but no other details besides to contact DS. He was sharing them more consistently in late 2016 and 2017. I always came upon the posts a day late, dollar short but now my eyes are peeled.

The church dynamics leads me to question their motives and reminds me of something that falls just short of a cult. It’s not normal, in my eyes. I’ve never seen a pastor be an informal spokesperson for a group of people who are considered a “laser focus” in any murder, let alone a mass murder. While pastors are typically non judgmental and very accepting, I personally have never seen one, either in the media or in person, who seems to be very encouraging under very morally odd circumstances. And a church moving to AK isn’t normal, let alone the parishioners to pack up and follow. Usually churches move down the street or across town, not across the country where you have to cross Canada to get there, unless of course you have a ocean worthy boat To me, that screams something other than a socially modern and morally acceptable church. This church seems to have a few key characteristics that make it stand out-the isolation aspect really makes me raise my eyebrows. All JMO, but when this is over I think we all will have learned a lot about a lot of people.

 

[Betty P]

Has there been any movement from LE?

No, nothing in the news.

 

[molly1255]

To add, who picks up and moves to AK when things are ramping up in the investigation and LE is looking at them? I can't begin to imagine the W's were oblivious to the fact that LE was looking very hard at them.

IMO, people who run do so because they know something and are afraid, or they were involved and they are trying to avoid consequences.

Your last question is interesting. I don't know anything about this particular pastor, but based on what I've read, his church is is truly his church. He is not under any kind of governance whatsoever. My interpretation of this kind of arrangement is that it puts an incredible amount of power into the hands of one human being. JMO.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

To add, who picks up and moves to AK when things are ramping up in the investigation and LE is looking at them? I can't begin to imagine the W's were oblivious to the fact that LE was looking very hard at them.

IMO, people who run do so because they know something and are afraid, or they were involved and they are trying to avoid consequences.

Your last question is interesting. I don't know anything about this particular pastor, but based on what I've read, his church is is truly his church. He is not under any kind of governance whatsoever. My interpretation of this kind of arrangement is that it puts an incredible amount of power into the hands of one human being. JMO.

I think they’ll leave Alaska as well. At some point, they’ll be completely off the grid and no one will know where they’re at. I hope it doesn’t go that far, but I can see it happening.

 

[molly1255]

Him and his wife share them on social media. The latest one was last month and it was on hers, not his. If she posts, she will say contact DS. Both always have a phone # and it will say house for rent but no other details besides to contact DS. He was sharing them more consistently in late 2016 and 2017. I always came upon the posts a day late, dollar short but now my eyes are peeled.

The church dynamics leads me to question their motives and reminds me of something that falls just short of a cult. It’s not normal, in my eyes. I’ve never seen a pastor be an informal spokesperson for a group of people who are considered a “laser focus” in any murder, let alone a mass murder. While pastors are typically non judgmental and very accepting, I personally have never seen one, either in the media or in person, who seems to be very encouraging under very morally odd circumstances. And a church moving to AK isn’t normal, let alone the parishioners to pack up and follow. Usually churches move down the street or across town, not across the country where you have to cross Canada to get there, unless of course you have a ocean worthy boat To me, that screams something other than a socially modern and morally acceptable church. This church seems to have a few key characteristics that make it stand out-the isolation aspect really makes me raise my eyebrows. All JMO, but when this is over I think we all will have learned a lot about a lot of people.

I agree, Mitten, and I don't think it is normal, either. And you are right. Pastors tend to be supportive of their parishioners, but to stick your neck out in what seemed to be a show of support for parishioners who are being called out by LE for a multiple homicide? I've never seen that happen either.

As the old saying goes "who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men". It's true. There are plenty of people who look and act like they are really good people, who had honorable intentions, but they actually have a hidden agenda and very dark secrets.

IMO, the same could be said for some religious leaders, particularly the ones who physically isolate their followers from the rest of society, and who tie up an extraordinary amount of their parishioners free time with church functions, and who dictate what kind of role a woman is expected to serve, to the point of dictating the kind of clothing a woman is allowed to wear.

To me, that reeks of mind-control. JMO, but I cannot imagine any young woman who was not raised in this church being willing to marry a young man and who will be required to follow the rules of his church. At least not in today's world. And for the life of me, I'm just scratching my head over the out-of-wedlock children of the two sons . I'm not passing judgement, but from what I've seen, this church does not allow pre-marital sex. It's considered a horrible sin. But maybe it's only a sin for the woman? I don't know. It does make me wonder if very harsh judgement was passed on HR when she became pregnant with her second child. All JMO.

 

[MizStery]

(snip) JMO, this ties together a big part of my theory about the W family's possible illegal activities.

JMO, the church W's are tied to and the church on their property is also part of this. Who picks up and moves to AK based on their local church moving there? Why did the local church move to AK in the first place? What kind of pastor is so closely involved in the affairs of a family suspected of the murder of 8 people with possible involvement in drug/MJ trafficking?

MittenScarpetta,Molly1255,red1200,Dudly & all the other members who have contributed such well thought out post. I am busy crocheting my response to the thread. I just want to contribute to keep the flow of ideas coming.


I am extremely frustrated because some my links are broken. Sure, I have enough to write a theory but ultimately I deleted it. I delete more posts than I actually leave on the thread.

So I am back to crocheting my theory and searching for a couple of links to backup my theory. I think we are all dancing on the head of a pin. So close but I think we just need to keep going. Frustrated but not defeated.

Yikes! Drat what do I do? The new S/W doesn't let me use my favorite emoji.

OK I will just say 'My Opinion'

 

[MittenScarpetta]

MittenScarpetta,Molly1255,red1200,Dudly & all the other members who have contributed such well thought out post. I am busy crocheting my response to the thread. I just want to contribute to keep the flow of ideas coming.


I am extremely frustrated because some my links are broken. Sure, I have enough to write a theory but ultimately I deleted it. I delete more posts than I actually leave on the thread.

So I am back to crocheting my theory and searching for a couple of links to backup my theory. I think we are all dancing on the head of a pin. So close but I think we just need to keep going. Frustrated but not defeated.

Yikes! Drat what do I do? The new S/W doesn't let me use my favorite emoji.

OK I will just say 'My Opinion'

Can’t wait to hear your thoughts!

 

[StrangeOne]

No, nothing in the news.

I feel like it is just fine with LE that people forget about these victims. The thought of a whole branch in a family being wiped out while most were sleeping boggles the mind. If I were related to these people hell would be raised or so certain people would say. Could they be in fear of the same thing happening? When my aunt and cousin were murdered (the crime is featured in this forum) we were subdued but vocal with each other. We believed one person within the family was the guilty party. The point I am trying to make is maybe they are waiting and watching for someone to mess up.

I feel like I have an insight into this family because I am Appalachian American (okay I used that term to lighten my post). It's a whole different world and unless you are raised up in it you wouldn't understand what I am saying. In all my babbling I think people are waiting to see what happens. Even if they are wrong the remaining family members have an idea of who did it.

 

[Betty P]

I feel like it is just fine with LE that people forget about these victims. The thought of a whole branch in a family being wiped out while most were sleeping boggles the mind. If I were related to these people hell would be raised or so certain people would say. Could they be in fear of the same thing happening? When my aunt and cousin were murdered (the crime is featured in this forum) we were subdued but vocal with each other. We believed one person within the family was the guilty party. The point I am trying to make is maybe they are waiting and watching for someone to mess up.

I feel like I have an insight into this family because I am Appalachian American (okay I used that term to lighten my post). It's a whole different world and unless you are raised up in it you wouldn't understand what I am saying. In all my babbling I think people are waiting to see what happens. Even if they are wrong the remaining family members have an idea of who did it.

I agree. I think LE and politicians knew very early who was behind the killings. Their concern is with controlling the domino effect of the investigation, which would reveal the network of people who have been involved in drug trafficking and other criminal activity in the area for decades.

At first, they wanted it to be a typical intra family spree killing, but soon realized they weren't going to be able to make that case. Now, with LE refusing to speak publicly about the case, it's as if they want to let it go dormant. They want the public to stop talking about it. They don't want the news media to cover it anymore. Two key reporters doing an excellent job covering the case lost their jobs and moved out of Ohio. LE and the AG went to a rigged Ohio Supreme Court to keep case information away from the news media. That says a lot about possible repercussions of solving these murders.

 

[Sojourn]

I feel like it is just fine with LE that people forget about these victims. The thought of a whole branch in a family being wiped out while most were sleeping boggles the mind. If I were related to these people hell would be raised or so certain people would say. Could they be in fear of the same thing happening? When my aunt and cousin were murdered (the crime is featured in this forum) we were subdued but vocal with each other. We believed one person within the family was the guilty party. The point I am trying to make is maybe they are waiting and watching for someone to mess up.

I feel like I have an insight into this family because I am Appalachian American (okay I used that term to lighten my post). It's a whole different world and unless you are raised up in it you wouldn't understand what I am saying. In all my babbling I think people are waiting to see what happens. Even if they are wrong the remaining family members have an idea of who did it.

I dont think le has helped themselves by alienating the public . On one hand they are seeking the public’s help and on the other they want complete secrecy .
John Q. Public has solved more crimes then the authorities will ever solve .
I understand some secrecy as to weed out the false confessions and crazy’s , but they have 4 crime scenes and much they can hold back for doing the weeding .
What I’m hearing from them is stfu and give me information , we know what were doing . I dont think thats the way to get the public on your side .
Giving full disclosure and pleading with the public in a honest and thoughtful way would behove them imo .
Being all secrety and locking out the media and public puts them in a negative light . A 500k reward would not hurt either , what they have now is ridiculous for 8 murdered family members .
I dont want to be a back seat detective but imo mentioning the pot was a mistake .
I truly believe if this had happened in my state every inch of ground would have been covered , they would have scoured the earth and came down on people like a ton of bricks . With a large reward for any information .

Sorry to hear about your family - hope your doing well .

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I feel like it is just fine with LE that people forget about these victims. The thought of a whole branch in a family being wiped out while most were sleeping boggles the mind. If I were related to these people hell would be raised or so certain people would say. Could they be in fear of the same thing happening? When my aunt and cousin were murdered (the crime is featured in this forum) we were subdued but vocal with each other. We believed one person within the family was the guilty party. The point I am trying to make is maybe they are waiting and watching for someone to mess up.

I feel like I have an insight into this family because I am Appalachian American (okay I used that term to lighten my post). It's a whole different world and unless you are raised up in it you wouldn't understand what I am saying. In all my babbling I think people are waiting to see what happens. Even if they are wrong the remaining family members have an idea of who did it.

Well my friend I’m gypsy. No offense to any living thing but I’m a good part Romanian but AMERICAN. at the moment the back of my work truck is full of antiques.

In groups you can count on gossip tinged in some truth. Yes I agree LE probably knows those responsible. But maybe they are waiting to get that single bit of evidence that will seal the case.

Undoubtedly and probably there are several people that know. Until they feel the emotional pain of the community and guilt they aren’t going to talk. They are the ones that have to live with this heinous crime going unpunished. Not Reader not DeWine and not LE.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I agree. I think LE and politicians knew very early who was behind the killings. Their concern is with controlling the domino effect of the investigation, which would reveal the network of people who have been involved in drug trafficking and other criminal activity in the area for decades.

At first, they wanted it to be a typical intra family spree killing, but soon realized they weren't going to be able to make that case. Now, with LE refusing to speak publicly about the case, it's as if they want to let it go dormant. They want the public to stop talking about it. They don't want the news media to cover it anymore. Two key reporters doing an excellent job covering the case lost their jobs and moved out of Ohio. LE and the AG went to a rigged Ohio Supreme Court to keep case information away from the news media. That says a lot about possible repercussions of solving these murders.

Don’t kid yourself it dormant cold and as dead as those 8 people. It’s as cold as ice in Alaska. And it’s going to stay that way.

Until they get someone with the fortitude to give them info. It’s not so much law enforcement. It’s by far the ones that know and won’t say that are keeping this case unprosecuted.

And there will be no justice until someone talks.

I hope the locals remember each face, each smile and human qualities of each victim.

It’s those that know that are denying justice to these 8 victims. And the babies one of who is just beginning to realize the horror he survived. As he gets older he’s going to be terrified that someone will come for him. Because the bad guys are not in jail. Another life trashed because no one will talk.

Look around you. Each local knows who they are. And shame on those keeping quiet. You’re causing unnecessary pain to an entire community.

 

[Betty P]

I feel like it is just fine with LE that people forget about these victims. The thought of a whole branch in a family being wiped out while most were sleeping boggles the mind. If I were related to these people hell would be raised or so certain people would say. Could they be in fear of the same thing happening? When my aunt and cousin were murdered (the crime is featured in this forum) we were subdued but vocal with each other. We believed one person within the family was the guilty party. The point I am trying to make is maybe they are waiting and watching for someone to mess up.

I feel like I have an insight into this family because I am Appalachian American (okay I used that term to lighten my post). It's a whole different world and unless you are raised up in it you wouldn't understand what I am saying. In all my babbling I think people are waiting to see what happens. Even if they are wrong the remaining family members have an idea of who did it.

I'm also sorry to hear about your family tragedy. I hope you are all healing.

 

[Betty P]

Don’t kid yourself it dormant cold and as dead as those 8 people. It’s as cold as ice in Alaska. And it’s going to stay that way.

Until they get someone with the fortitude to give them info. It’s not so much law enforcement. It’s by far the ones that know and won’t say that are keeping this case unprosecuted.

And there will be no justice until someone talks.

I hope the locals remember each face, each smile and human qualities of each victim.

It’s those that know that are denying justice to these 8 victims. And the babies one of who is just beginning to realize the horror he survived. As he gets older he’s going to be terrified that someone will come for him. Because the bad guys are not in jail. Another life trashed because no one will talk.

Look around you. Each local knows who they are. And shame on those keeping quiet. You’re causing unnecessary pain to an entire community.

I agree, it's a dormant case, but I think the locals have already talked. They've probably all been called to testify before the Grand Jury. That's why Prosecutor Junk is saying they know who did it but don't have enough evidence to take the case to court. It's implied that they need to find the weapons to get a conviction. Not sure if that's just an excuse to keep from arresting the killers. I still wonder if anyone from the W family has been called before the JG, but I doubt they have. Doing so might give the prosecutors what they claim they need. JMO, I'm not sure they don't already have enough evidence to secure a conviction without the actual weapons.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I believe there was a mistake in the public perception when it comes to JM going to the grand jury. He never went. If he had went to a grand jury, the state would have had to return an answer of charges or no charges. His case could still be taken to a grand jury at any time. That info was shared yesterday by a former reporter on the case. <modsnip>

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I feel like it is just fine with LE that people forget about these victims. The thought of a whole branch in a family being wiped out while most were sleeping boggles the mind. If I were related to these people hell would be raised or so certain people would say. Could they be in fear of the same thing happening? When my aunt and cousin were murdered (the crime is featured in this forum) we were subdued but vocal with each other. We believed one person within the family was the guilty party. The point I am trying to make is maybe they are waiting and watching for someone to mess up.

I feel like I have an insight into this family because I am Appalachian American (okay I used that term to lighten my post). It's a whole different world and unless you are raised up in it you wouldn't understand what I am saying. In all my babbling I think people are waiting to see what happens. Even if they are wrong the remaining family members have an idea of who did it.

BBM

Cherokee here. Or should I say Native American? I am sorry about your family. What you are going through is hard.

100% certain that the family ha a good idea who it was. LM hints at it but I think they are afraid to speak publicly for fear of being next.

JMO

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I feel like it is just fine with LE that people forget about these victims. The thought of a whole branch in a family being wiped out while most were sleeping boggles the mind. If I were related to these people hell would be raised or so certain people would say. Could they be in fear of the same thing happening? When my aunt and cousin were murdered (the crime is featured in this forum) we were subdued but vocal with each other. We believed one person within the family was the guilty party. The point I am trying to make is maybe they are waiting and watching for someone to mess up.

I feel like I have an insight into this family because I am Appalachian American (okay I used that term to lighten my post). It's a whole different world and unless you are raised up in it you wouldn't understand what I am saying. In all my babbling I think people are waiting to see what happens. Even if they are wrong the remaining family members have an idea of who did it.

I am so sorry you and your family have experienced such a horrific crime. May I ask if the crimes against your aunt and cousin were ever solved? I’m not familiar with your family’s case so I apologize for asking.

I think the family may be in fear to an extent. Especially when this first happened. LM was pretty vocal from the beginning but he always fell just short of naming who he suspects. Fast forward to now, most family seems to be very quiet. More quiet than what they were throughout the first year. I can’t figure out if it’s because they’ve been told to be quiet or perhaps something is coming and they’re just being patient.