GUILTY OH - Reann Murphy, 9, raped & murdered, Smithville, 14 Dec 2013

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Wayne County: Autistic neighbor charged with killing little girl, bond set at $1M
Posted: Dec 16, 2013 7:22 AM EST
Updated: Dec 16, 2013 11:05 AM EST





http://www.19actionnews.com/story/2...arged-with-killing-little-girl-bond-set-at-1m

2 videos at link^

Wow!

per article above...

Metsker helped in the frantic search...

And even told one of the searchers that he had checked the dumpster where Reann was eventually found!

:what:

 

[AstroKitty]

Reading your comments about your friends nephew and Hambirg's comments, (thank you both) I wonder what options parents of adult children with mental or behavioral problems have besides caring for these adult children on their own.

There isn't a lot known about this offender so far, but in other violent cases it seems I am seeing a dangerous pattern of fragile minds and free will access to the internet, that contributes to their thoughts and carrying out these violent actions. It may well not apply here. Just an observation I've made while reading other threads recently.

I know in my friends nephews case.. he's rather isolated. His family is rather large and people do visit very often, but he either isn't allowed outside (other than to get the mail) or doesn't want to go outside. I've been around him a lot and he friend requested me on Facebook. He's very considerate and thoughtful, he's never been rude or said anything out of pocket to me. Nor have I watched him "rage" but, I believe it all to be there and easy to trigger.

Most of his facebook stuff is about pokemon, football and sex. He doesn't seem to grasp the social appropriation lines, but that can be said about MOST social media users . I only notice it with him because of the things that have been said to me by his extended family and his own mother.

When his dad suddenly passed on this summer, it was very worrisome how he would be told at the hospital. They didn't want him to hit a nurse or create a larger tragedy out of what was taking place already. I know they took him to a psych ward floor in a visiting area and told him and everyone was proactive that staff knew not to touch him etc etc. My entire point though, is that rage plays a huge factor with him and I know of a few that this seems to be what often gets them into trouble. Because of that, facebook and other sites like it are their outlets. They can safely communicate and interact without "harming others".

I want to touch on the sexual abuse thing for a second. I truly agree with those with mental disabilities are far more likely to be abused, not tell and to act out aggressively. However, in my friends - nephews case, he has never been abused but he's never had sex and is very sexually aggressive. I have been told this is rather common, and in SE classes the teachers have to finagle a way that compulsive masturbation is handled. The reason we believe the nephew could sexually harm a child is because of the things he posts online, some stuff that was found on a family computer (there was another male in the household at the time - the blame is passed back n' forth) and he hits on close relatives in a very aggressive manner. he doesn't see why he can't. It's very scary.

 

[AstroKitty]

this has probably already been addressed but I saw comments the other day on his garb and what sort of shirt he was wearing in his mugshot.

I noted this in an article I was reading this morning and it explained it perfectly and made me feel silly for not realizing the significance of them putting some sort of clothing on him.

James Ciotti, special agent supervisor with BCI's Crimes Against Children unit, and Lutz added the scene was being processed. Ciotti noted the suspect was led out of the home in a white lab coat, but doing so is standard procedure in order to maintain evidence.

http://www.the-daily-record.com/loc...arrested-suspected-of-killing-9-year-old-girl

I would have never thought about that! I always thought the non tear material (white suit) on perps were because they were either found nude or something along those lines. Like the suicide outfit/dress some have to wear. I know they make full suits that are white and made of the non tear material too.

This is very concerning that he had ANYTHING on him. I don't know how I was picturing her murdered, but I was hoping it was swift and not so violent that there was blood loss. I assumed because of the snow, anything would show up. He lived at home with his mother right? Where was she that night? At work? I know they said he wouldn't open the door so a family member had to be called to get the key.

 

[tlcya]

makes total sense now. It just never occurred to me before. Hair, fibers, DNA. All might be present on his clothing or his person and that is evidence that will be needed to tie him to this crime once the defense attorneys become involved. Even if he has confessed his actions, attorneys will likely advice him as a matter of course to plead not guilty, so any physical evidence will be key if it exists.

 

[Justiceseeker35]

I have to say it, in his mug shot he doesn't look all there. Like he's really confused he did something wrong. It's tragic, the two probably got into some sort of argument. Maybe someone that has little self control a child like mind. I hate to find out what the autopsy shows.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I know in my friends nephews case.. he's rather isolated. His family is rather large and people do visit very often, but he either isn't allowed outside (other than to get the mail) or doesn't want to go outside. I've been around him a lot and he friend requested me on Facebook. He's very considerate and thoughtful, he's never been rude or said anything out of pocket to me. Nor have I watched him "rage" but, I believe it all to be there and easy to trigger.

Most of his facebook stuff is about pokemon, football and sex. He doesn't seem to grasp the social appropriation lines, but that can be said about MOST social media users . I only notice it with him because of the things that have been said to me by his extended family and his own mother.

When his dad suddenly passed on this summer, it was very worrisome how he would be told at the hospital. They didn't want him to hit a nurse or create a larger tragedy out of what was taking place already. I know they took him to a psych ward floor in a visiting area and told him and everyone was proactive that staff knew not to touch him etc etc. My entire point though, is that rage plays a huge factor with him and I know of a few that this seems to be what often gets them into trouble. Because of that, facebook and other sites like it are their outlets. They can safely communicate and interact without "harming others".

I want to touch on the sexual abuse thing for a second. I truly agree with those with mental disabilities are far more likely to be abused, not tell and to act out aggressively. However, in my friends - nephews case, he has never been abused but he's never had sex and is very sexually aggressive. I have been told this is rather common, and in SE classes the teachers have to finagle a way that compulsive masturbation is handled. The reason we believe the nephew could sexually harm a child is because of the things he posts online, some stuff that was found on a family computer (there was another male in the household at the time - the blame is passed back n' forth) and he hits on close relatives in a very aggressive manner. he doesn't see why he can't. It's very scary.

Thank you for your insight! I've been thinking a lot about the dynamics of caring for these adult children by parents. Other options that parents have may be very limited, but maybe it's something that needs to be expanded on. It certainly would take a tole on a caregiver and many don't have a lot of family or money to hire in help. We have group homes here that are available for those that can't live independently on their own. Individuals are housed differently depending on their ability level. There are also day programs available that would at least give caregivers a break or prevent those from being left alone that shouldn't.

I think it was stated in a video or article that this person lived with his mother and she had been gone a couple days.

At least a group home setting would provide supervision, structure and activities and internet access could be monitored.

Isolation for those with severe mental or behavioral health issues, IMO, would make them worse. Having free access to play violent video games or view violent and sexual material on the internet may have disastrous consequences when combined with low impulse control.

 

[mck16]

Thank you for your insight! I've been thinking a lot about the dynamics of caring for these adult children by parents. Other options that parents have may be very limited, but maybe it's something that needs to be expanded on. It certainly would take a tole on a caregiver and many don't have a lot of family or money to hire in help. We have group homes here that are available for those that can't live independently on their own. Individuals are housed differently depending on their ability level. There are also day programs available that would at least give caregivers a break or prevent those from being left alone that shouldn't.

I think it was stated in a video or article that this person lived with his mother and she had been gone a couple days.

At least a group home setting would provide supervision, structure and activities and internet access could be monitored.

Isolation for those with severe mental or behavioral health issues, IMO, would make them worse. Having free access to play violent video games or view violent and sexual material on the internet may have disastrous consequences when combined with low impulse control.

Has he been in trouble before? Or any reports of violent behavior? ty

 

[AstroKitty]

It really depends on how well the guardian has taken to have their charge aligned with different systems and outlets (work structured programs, adult education etc). If someone does nothing but lock their kid away and tend to them until they themselves need a facility (nursing home or assisted living), then the adult charge with the MH will either be homeless or somehow assisted by the gov and placed in a county or state facility. A lot of homeless people in larger cities are from situations where their mental illnesses were handled lovingly albeit privately, by the family and when the main family member passed on - no one else wanted to step up. This leaves a person with a disability or SSI check and no life skills. Lord knows that the biggest state cuts are to mental health!

My friends nephew will absolutely end up this way and it pains me to state that. She herself collects SSI (she has MRSA of the lungs!) and is homebound on oxygen. Very poor. They have this big family but all are equally on the same economical scale with their own set of problems/issues. No one will be willing to take in a 320 lb / 6 ft 5, autistic man with sexual aggression and rage issues. He will either bounce from relative to relative with short stays, homeless, or hopefully be placed into the projects here - since he's in the system for welfare and free housing. That will most likely be his saving grace, the fact that he grew up on welfare and the old system - not the new one. He's always been helped and so when she passes, their social worker will be aware and "do" something. He cannot help himself. He's never had a job, went past highschool or had any developmental, social outreach.

I think a lot of these offenders that we are seeing have the same issue. The mixture of poverty and shoving them away from society by turning away the help that's in place to help them grow compassion and understanding, is creating very curious and very stunted monsters. People who don't know how the world works are gullible and naive. If all you did was play video games, watched TV and read what interested you online (again, all cherry picked by how far along you are emotionally) - you will believe that is reality and nothing else. This isn't part of delusional disorder, this is from someone that has no grasp on true reality at all - or even their own strengths and weaknesses.

I could see someone with a limited mental capacity causing harm and thinking to to "bury it" in the trash because it's "icky" to look in the trash. Gullible enough to believe that if they tell people they already did something, that they will be believed because they are being nice about it and helpful. That's not a genius, that's a child mind at work. I'm going to guess they'll say he has a mental age of about 5-8 years or something. I agree with whomever stated that he needs to not be in society again. There is no way to essentially "train" him how to see the world if he's not been learning and growing in it at all.

I'm speculating 100% here. For all we know he's had a girlfriend, a social life and that trailer was rented by his parents but he lived alone. WE have no idea right now.

 

[watcher9]

A man accused of killing a 9-year-old neighbor and hiding her body in a trash bin had been building a snowman with her just hours before she was reported missing, investigators said Monday.


The girl's mother was at work Saturday afternoon while she was at home with her mother's live-in boyfriend, Hunter said. She went outside to play in the snow and was with several other children in the trailer park's courtyard, but the others went home, leaving Metsker alone with her, he said.


http://www.syracuse.com/news/index....in_trash_bin_made_snowman_with_her_befor.html

 

[BeginnersLuck]

At this link there are two videos. The one with the bearded man is the prosecutor speaking.

http://www.19actionnews.com/story/2...arged-with-killing-little-girl-bond-set-at-1m

The prosecutor states that he lived with his mother. The mother had been gone for a couple days. The prosecutor also states that he had lived there since he was at least nine, he knows this because he had some prior interaction at a younger age with another prosecutor. He wouldn't elaborate on what it was.

Some of his FB posts from the pages that were linked earlier seem to indicate he had a temper.

IMO, group home settings would be a healthier, safer option for adults with mental and behavioral issues that are severe enough where they are unable to live on their own.

eta: Sorry, they keep adding more videos. If you click the arrows it will take you to the one with the bearded man (prosecutor) speaking.

 

[The Cheese]

Authorities say the unemployed man accused of killing 9-year-old Reann Murphy had been building a snowman with the girl just a few hours before she was reported missing.

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They say Reann was playing in the snow with several other children, but she was left alone with the Metsker after the others went home.

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Late Monday, Wayne Coroner Amy Jolliff released the preliminary autopsy finding -- that Reannl was strangled with an unknown object.

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One neighbor, Shari Rose, told WKYC that Metsker made one of the 9-1-1 calls about Reann being missing.

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Rose went on to say that Metsker's mother told people that he was autistic.

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Rose said Metsker was the only adult male in the trailer park who declined to take a DNA test.

Wayne County sheriff's Capt. Doug Hunter says Metsker made a statement to sheriff's deputies but stopped short of a confession, only admitting that he was playing with Reann before she disappeared.

http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/2013/12/16/wayne-county-court-arraignment/4037419/

 

[matou]

He also did not respond to LE's presence at the door when LE went to his home. As per the presser yesterday.

 

[matou]

Was she found with all of her snow clothes on?

 

[matou]

All males were checked for DNA? Why? or should I even wonder? sigh. And his mom was not home for a few days...

 

[Curious Me]

A man accused of killing a 9-year-old neighbor and hiding her body in a trash bin had been building a snowman with her just hours before she was reported missing, investigators said Monday.


The girl's mother was at work Saturday afternoon while she was at home with her mother's live-in boyfriend, Hunter said. She went outside to play in the snow and was with several other children in the trailer park's courtyard, but the others went home, leaving Metsker alone with her, he said.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index....in_trash_bin_made_snowman_with_her_befor.html

Thanks. I was wondering who was watching Reann that day. She hadn't lived there that long either.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index....in_trash_bin_made_snowman_with_her_befor.html

"Reann and her mother had just moved into the trailer park a few months ago around the beginning of the school year, relatives said. They lived in an apartment above a maintenance garage at the park outside Smithville, 30 miles southwest of Akron."

"The girl's mother was at work Saturday afternoon while she was at home with her mother's live-in boyfriend, Hunter said. She went outside to play in the snow and was with several other children in the trailer park's courtyard, but the others went home, leaving Metsker alone with her, he said."

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Just curious...

So... the court date may change if prosecutors indict before December 23rd...

does that mean that prosecutors have not had time to properly indict... But that the courts want to make certain he is in jail... And that some court date is set so as to keep the process rolling?

:dunno:

I am a legal illiterate... And am just asking out of curiosity...

TIA...:seeya:

Once arrested in Ohio, you have a right to a preliminary hearing before the court to determine if there was probably cause that a crime was committed and probable cause to believe that YOU are the one that committed the crime. This is because, only the police and prosecutor have looked at the charges. However, if a grand jury (a neutral body like the judge) looks at the evidence, then they can issue an indictment formally charging the crime. If they don't indict before the preliminary hearing, then the municipal court judge will have the preliminary hearing to determine probable cause for the charge and the defendant as explained above. Or, the defendant can waive his preliminary hearing and allow the charge to be bound over to the Common Pleas Court. This speeds the process along to the other Court. That's just a speed lesson, but I hope it helps you.

 

[Curious Me]

All males were checked for DNA? Why? or should I even wonder? sigh. And his mom was not home for a few days...

BBM

You heard that too? I heard that on one of the videos where the prosecutor said that the Mother was staying at another of her children's outside town for a few days. His mother, not Reann's Mother.
I got it now.

http://www.19actionnews.com/story/2...arged-with-killing-little-girl-bond-set-at-1m

 

[sophiebelle]

He obviously could take care of himself enough for his mom to leave him alone. If he's already been in trouble, has the mind of a child, and there are children all around, then why was he left alone? The Newtown shooter's mother could tell us about this, if she wasn't dead. Then there's the one who shot his dad in the head over a Megan Fox comment. I worked for many years with teens and young adults with autism and they can be sweet and they can be violent. Females are just as violent. Most have be put into group homes due to their behaviors.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

That was my thought due to Jorelys. It brought that back, and I know I was so horrified by that. Here it is again. UGH!

It brings back so many sad memories of many other young children who lost their lives to those who callously murdered them.

I thought of little 6 year old Christopher Barrios in Georgia. He too lived in a MHP. He too was a friendly little guy who loved to go to neighbors' homes to visit and play outside. He was raped and murdered by the three Edenfields who lived next door (husband, wife, and son). They are all in prison now.

I also thought of little Sandra Cantu who also lived in a MHP and was raped and murdered by Melissa Huckaby. The list is way too long and a never ending trail of tears.

It will be interesting to learn where the original crime scene is and LE probably already knows.

They were supposedly outside making snowmen with other children but it was cold so they all left but Reann and the suspect. Did he lure her to his own home? The ME said she was most likely strangled with an unknown object.

While he may have some mental difficulties he certainly knew what he had done was wrong because he concealed her body in the dumpster after murdering her. He also had the wherewithal to tell the searchers that the dumpster had already been searched (when it had not) trying to prevent them from discovering Reann's body.

I think the police may suspect a motive already since it was mentioned in an article I read that additional charges could be added clarifying the motive. I think LE is onto something. Imo, it may have been sexually motivated.

No one has mentioned how she was found and if she was clothed or not. LE nor the DA is going to reveal any detailed information at this time.

IMO

 

[TravelingBug]

He obviously could take care of himself enough for his mom to leave him alone. If he's already been in trouble, has the mind of a child, and there are children all around, then why was he left alone? The Newtown shooter's mother could tell us about this, if she wasn't dead. Then there's the one who shot his dad in the head over a Megan Fox comment. I worked for many years with teens and young adults with autism and they can be sweet and they can be violent. Females are just as violent. Most have be put into group homes due to their behaviors.

Often there's a real challenge even finding group homes that will take people that have been violent in the past, whether or not that's even meaning they have a record. Or even if that doesn't mean any violence that'd really be overly concerning.

And if they're high functioning enough to have some degree of independence (or even relatively high degree of independence) that can often mean they don't qualify for many homes/facilities either.

I've watched close family friends struggle w/ this for decades now, with now adult kids (both even more than twice the age of majority) who didn't qualify for anything while younger, and absolutely don't now.

One's now in jail, not for anything that they actually did, but for who they were with. But that's part of FAS (one of several dx that particular one has) - not understanding consequences and choices - thus often seeing many end up making horrible friend choices.

The other ended up getting involved in drugs and alcohol at a group home decades ago, which started a spiral they've never gotten out of. There's not a rehab place, sober living place, group home, etc. that will take them.

And both are so old that they are more than capable of choosing to refuse to live with their parents. Which only leads to more problems.

And these were highly involved parents - adopted both of them knowing there were issues, but not the extent as that was long before significant testing was really done or possible - at least one parent always home. Constant researching of therapies, possibilities, resources, etc. None of that is true in many families, unfortunately.

And even watching friends with much younger kids with varying special needs - including one who is severely autistic (and physically aggressive, w/ a parent who has a background in special needs) who isn't even into double digit age yet, but physically is capable of taking down a football player father even. They're not needing other resources yet, but because their child is bright, doesn't qualify for the same therapies as others, and because the child is violent, then most school programs or therapies won't take the child. Which leaves them...stuck. They've been told the only thing to do is institutionalize their child, which is not an option to them. But they've been told no one else would ever take the child.

It can be a very, very tricky road - even with highly involved parents who were pursuing things from the get go and very hands on.