GUILTY OH - Reann Murphy, 9, raped & murdered, Smithville, 14 Dec 2013

[sophiebelle]

I always think these "things" know what they are doing is wrong, regardless of mental health. They are smart enough to hide their victims, since they don't just stand there with a dead child. Maybe they have no self control to stop themselves, but that's all the more reason to shut them down for good. I can't wait to hear what neighbors have to say, and what he offers as a reason. Just so sad.

 

[sadnpod]

I agree Sophie.. if they know enough to hide what they have done, then they know it was wrong.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

After living through the horror of Somers murder, and seeing the "monster" go to prison, I've accepted that there is no justice on this earth, for what these monsters have done. My only consolation is that they are caught and hopefully cannot harm another child.. ever again. Sadly that is not always the case. His obvious mental disabilities frighten me that he may one day be free to do this again. I can't express how sad I feel over this case. The visions in my head of her last moments truly take my breath away. RIP beautiful child...

I think we are seeing people that are being released into society now, that never should be. This is because our justice system, when they were sentenced was to lenient. It seems like our justice system is getting better now with sentencing of the worst kind. I don't think this guy will ever be released regardless of what they determine his mental capacity is.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I think we are seeing people that are being released into society now, that never should be. This is because our justice system, when they were sentenced was to lenient. It seems like our justice system is getting better now with sentencing of the worst kind. I don't think this guy will ever be released regardless of what they determine his mental capacity is.

There is no way he will ever be released. He murdered a child, he's over 18, and I'm assuming he will be charged with first-degree murder. It's the sickos who have yet to kill a child, but have assaulted, abused, molested children, who we should be worried about.

It's disturbing to read about lenient sentences given to child killers back in and around the '70's and the little attention paid to crimes against children...It makes one think that people back then just didn't care? Or maybe they didn't realize just how horrific and prevalent these crimes are? I also think about how...it wasn't until the 70's where they started taking child abuse more seriously...and I don't think pedophiles became "mainstream" news until the '80s with the McMartin case.

 

[Coldpizza]

Wayne County: Autistic neighbor charged with killing little girl, bond set at $1M
Posted: Dec 16, 2013 7:22 AM EST
Updated: Dec 16, 2013 11:05 AM EST

On Saturday afternoon, a group was building a snowman. Other children went inside to warm up, leaving Metsger and Reann alone

Metsger, a neighbor and friend to the Murphy family, took part in the frantic search. At one point telling a searcher that he had already searched the dumpster where the little girl's body was found hours later.

http://www.19actionnews.com/story/2...arged-with-killing-little-girl-bond-set-at-1m

2 videos at link^

 

[geevee]

Neighbor of Ohio girl found in trash held without bond

WOOSTER, Ohio (AP) — An Ohio man who authorities believe killed a 9-year-old neighbor and dumped her body in a trash bin was ordered held without bond Monday pending another hearing next week.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/15/ohio-girl-dead-trash-bin-arrest/4034425/

 

[tlcya]

his participating in the search, his lying and indicating he already searched that dumpster, IMO shows his consciousness of guilt and that he knew he had done something wrong. While I am not surprised to hear he is on the spectrum and played with the neighborhood kids, I hope he is prosecuted to the fullest.

 

[Marilynilpa]

It's good to have confirmation that Metsker is autistic - his FB notes didn't seem natural for a 24 year old man. JMO.

I don't know the legal system in Ohio, but why is a grand jury involved in this case?:

A preliminary hearing was scheduled for Dec. 23. County prosecutor Daniel Lutz said the case could go to a grand jury on Friday if the evidence is processed in time.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/15/ohio-girl-dead-trash-bin-arrest/4034425/

BBM

 

[Cherry]

He knows right from wrong; he took part in the search and I agree with the above posts: his insistence he already "checked" the trash bin; shows understanding of right and wrong and attempting to cover it up. Give him death.

 

[MsFacetious]

It definitely appears that he knows right from wrong, which is a good thing for justice.
But my child knew at about 8 to cover up if she did something wrong.
When someone would hide the remote and I was looking they would say "I already looked there."

I'm just saying that this isn't that cut and dry as him knowing right from wrong.
His cognitive AGE will play and part as well, to determine if he's mature enough to face death.
There is just a lot that goes into this and it's going to be complicated.

 

[tlcya]

I agree, he will be assessed, his mental age, his ability to process things like death/murder, etc.

I am okay with that. I do not want him walking the streets as it has happened once, I feel it could happen again. But I do not want him tarred feathered or to face DP if he truly is not cognitively able to be held accountable.

All I want is to know other children are safe from what happened to little Reann

 

[matou]

Was she sexually assaulted?

 

[hambirg]

If he is mentally challenged he won't qualify for the death penalty.
If he doesn't understand right and wrong then we can't execute him.
I will wait for some more information on this guy, I have a feeling he might be cognitively disabled. :twocents:

It doesn't make what happened to Reann any less awful...
but killing a guy who didn't know what he was doing won't help.
If he knew what he was doing even if he IS disabled, that is different. :twocents:

MOO

I suspect your right on that. I worked with the mentally disabled, high school population for 8+ yrs. Just going off his pictures and his FB posts, I'm pretty confident that he somehow fits into that population.

That being said, he put Reann in the dumpster. IMO, that means he knew he did something bad and he attempted to hide it. IF it does turn out that he is mentally disabled, I agree that he shouldn't be subject to the death penalty. I also don't think regular jail or prison is an appropriate placement. I DO think he should be locked up, away from anyone else he could hurt though.

There was a former student of the program I worked in (he was a student before I started working there) that raped a 5yr old in a McDonald's bathroom. My fellow staff that worked with him had expressed concerns, but he graduated and moved on to a transitional work program and that's when the rape occurred. It sounds like they don't think he fully understood what he did was wrong. He probably knew he wasn't suppose to do it, but didn't fully understand why. IMHO, that was a good thing, because otherwise he might have been inclined to kill the 5yr old, so she "wouldn't tell." He ended up in a special placement in a mental hospital, for the mentally disabled, but deemed sexual predators. Sad that such a thing even exists.

I guess that is a word to the wise, just because a young man is mentally disabled doesn't mean that they can't also be dangerous. . .especially with young children. Btw, this boy was Down's. I tend to think when people see a person with Down Syndrome they think cute and harmless, which is often the case, but shouldn't be assumed.

ETA. . .all MOO and, of course, irrelevant if this guy turns out not to be mentally disabled in someway.

ETAA-you all are fast! I just read all the previous posts. So he's autistic and he helped search and lied? This is going to be interesting.

 

[tlcya]

MSM reports are saying autistic but do not give any further detail as to where on the spectrum he falls or what his abilities or limitations are.

 

[nightwatch]

When these stories are reported it just sucks the air right out of the room. The last image this child saw was his distorted face. There is more to his story. Jmo

Ciao

 

[AstroKitty]

I agree it does look like he's wearing lipstick but, it could be chapstick with color to it. He's been diagnosed as autistic correct? The few that I do know, who are around his age and tend to do OK but seemingly have the exact same behaviors as this guy - online - tend to do things over and over and over (OCD and ticks). Licking your lips till they are chapped would be one of them.

He has a ton of profiles but I pretty much assume that's because he probably plays facebook games and creates new profiles to "cheat" (or whatever you call it) and most of his friend list is most likely people in those game groups. So in other words, no one specific.

I wouldn't be shocked if rage didn't play a part in this. They didn't state blood was found or a scene of carnage. I'm wondering if they were building this snowman and she wanted to do something else, told him no or otherwise upset him. He had rage and took it out on her. Low impulse control + rage = tragedy.

My best friends nephew has autism and he's 23, lives at home with his ailing mom and seems to understand things. He's obsessive with pokemon, can't distinguish sarcasm and gets very VERY upset and rages. He's a big boy and when he's mad .. police do have to get called. It's known to keep kids away from him, they fear he would sexually assault them - because he doesn't understand the difference between their consent or lack there of, and an adult. The second I read this perp's facebook(s), I thought of my friends nephew. These two are very similar online.

 

[MsFacetious]

MOO

I suspect your right on that. I worked with the mentally disabled, high school population for 8+ yrs. Just going off his pictures and his FB posts, I'm pretty confident that he somehow fits into that population.

That being said, he put Reann in the dumpster. IMO, that means he knew he did something bad and he attempted to hide it. IF it does turn out that he is mentally disabled, I agree that he shouldn't be subject to the death penalty. I also don't think regular jail or prison is an appropriate placement. I DO think he should be locked up, away from anyone else he could hurt though.

There was a former student of the program I worked in (he was a student before I started working there) that raped a 5yr old in a McDonald's bathroom. My fellow staff that worked with him had expressed concerns, but he graduated and moved on to a transitional work program and that's when the rape occurred. It sounds like they don't think he fully understood what he did was wrong. He probably knew he wasn't suppose to do it, but didn't fully understand why. IMHO, that was a good thing, because otherwise he might have been inclined to kill the 5yr old, so she "wouldn't tell." He ended up in a special placement in a mental hospital, for the mentally disabled, but deemed sexual predators. Sad that such a thing even exists.

I guess that is a word to the wise, just because a young man is mentally disabled doesn't mean that they can't also be dangerous. . .especially with young children. Btw, this boy was Down's. I tend to think when people see a person with Down Syndrome they think cute and harmless, which is often the case, but shouldn't be assumed.

sbm

I would bet that the young man with Down syndrome you are talking about, was molested himself.
The statistics are depressingly high for kids with Down syndrome and sexual assault. :twocents:

It is one thing when a typical child is molested... and it can be explained to them that it's WRONG.
They can learn that they should not repeat it, they can learn the consequences of it.

A person who is cognitively disabled and is molested... can be easily convinced that is NORMAL.
They can be convinced that this is just what people do.
If he was molested or raped himself, he may have thought it was perfectly normal.

That is the issue with the cognitive disabilities... you have to determine if they really know it's wrong.

I know a young man with autism who acts out sexually because he was abused.
He is quite severely autistic and can do very little for himself, he doesn't have boundaries.
He grabbed my daughter's hat because he wanted it. This isn't an uncommon autistic feature.

His father kept a fence between him and my children on a playground at their home.
I greatly appreciated his taking that initiative and I just made sure he didn't climb the fence.
This young man is not allowed to be with any children because they know he's an issue.

However, if a family doesn't know the young man might be violent, it's a lot harder to prevent it.:twocents:

Maybe Reann had something he wanted and he accidentally killed her trying to take it away. :twocents:

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I agree it does look like he's wearing lipstick but, it could be chapstick with color to it. He's been diagnosed as autistic correct? The few that I do know, who are around his age and tend to do OK but seemingly have the exact same behaviors as this guy - online - tend to do things over and over and over (OCD and ticks). Licking your lips till they are chapped would be one of them.

He has a ton of profiles but I pretty much assume that's because he probably plays facebook games and creates new profiles to "cheat" (or whatever you call it) and most of his friend list is most likely people in those game groups. So in other words, no one specific.

I wouldn't be shocked if rage didn't play a part in this. They didn't state blood was found or a scene of carnage. I'm wondering if they were building this snowman and she wanted to do something else, told him no or otherwise upset him. He had rage and took it out on her. Low impulse control + rage = tragedy.

My best friends nephew has autism and he's 23, lives at home with his ailing mom and seems to understand things. He's obsessive with pokemon, can't distinguish sarcasm and gets very VERY upset and rages. He's a big boy and when he's mad .. police do have to get called. It's known to keep kids away from him, they fear he would sexually assault them - because he doesn't understand the difference between their consent or lack there of, and an adult. The second I read this perp's facebook(s), I thought of my friends nephew. These two are very similar online.

Reading your comments about your friends nephew and Hambirg's comments, (thank you both) I wonder what options parents of adult children with mental or behavioral problems have besides caring for these adult children on their own.

There isn't a lot known about this offender so far, but in other violent cases it seems I am seeing a dangerous pattern of fragile minds and free will access to the internet, that contributes to their thoughts and carrying out these violent actions. It may well not apply here. Just an observation I've made while reading other threads recently.

 

[lillygator]

glad they arrested somone so quickly.

 

[tlcya]

this has probably already been addressed but I saw comments the other day on his garb and what sort of shirt he was wearing in his mugshot.

I noted this in an article I was reading this morning and it explained it perfectly and made me feel silly for not realizing the significance of them putting some sort of clothing on him.

James Ciotti, special agent supervisor with BCI's Crimes Against Children unit, and Lutz added the scene was being processed. Ciotti noted the suspect was led out of the home in a white lab coat, but doing so is standard procedure in order to maintain evidence.

http://www.the-daily-record.com/loc...arrested-suspected-of-killing-9-year-old-girl