GUILTY OK - 4 dead, many injured when car crashed into crowd at OSU homecoming parade

[IzzyBlanche]

I doubt if he'd try an insanity defense, but perhaps diminished capacity.

 

[JeannaT]

I wonder if somehow on a Sunday they got blood test results back and that caused them to upgrade the charges from Manslaughter to 2nd Degree Murder? Or was it public pressure?

 

[Snick1946]

It's interesting that he notes she was dealing with sleeplessness. I'm thinking Ambien sounds more and more likely.

I was going to post that but you beat me to it. Lots of stories about folks who take this stuff then wake up the next day in traffic or at work and recall nothing after they fell off to sleep.

Way too much of this and other such drugs being prescribed. These can be dangerous drugs.

 

[wfgodot]

The Insanity Defense in Oklahoma
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In some states, the burden of proof lies on the defense to prove that the defendant is insane. In Oklahoma, however, the burden lies on the prosecution, who must prove that the defendant was sane at the time of his or her crime.
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more here: http://www.oklahomalegalgroup.com/news/the-insanity-defense-in-oklahoma

 

[JeannaT]

I was going to post that but you beat me to it. Lots of stories about folks who take this stuff then wake up the next day in traffic or at work and recall nothing after they fell off to sleep.

Way too much of this and other such drugs being prescribed. These can be dangerous drugs.

Yep. I know someone who had a horrific experience with it. For as debilitated as Ambien makes you, it leaves you MUCH too able to function. So you can drive a car, maintain a speed, maintain a lane, but miss that you're running red lights and miss that everyone is honking at you really loudly. Trance like state.

 

[KaaBoom]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/25/us/oklahoma-car-into-crowd/

'' Adacia Avery Chambers of Stillwater, had been charged with driving under the influence and remained in the city jail.'''

I would say it is possible that after the crash , the perp was taken to the hospital for a quick checkup and once found to be healthy, sent to the jail. But if she were injured or otherwise ill, she would have stayed at hospital. I cannot find anything saying she was ever even in a hospital but if she was , it was very short term. She has no medical condition. Sorry to everyone who hopes to explain this away that way.

She was taken to the hospital for a blood test.

Chambers was arrested for DUI on Saturday morning. She was taken to Stillwater Medical Center to obtain blood samples as required by Oklahoma statute in collisions involving fatality and serious injury. The blood samples will be sent to the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation for testing. Chambers was transported to the Stillwater Police Department jail for holding.

On Sunday afternoon, Chambers was transferred to the Payne County jail where she will await and initial court appearance on Monday.

Police: Suspect in deadly OSU homecoming parade crash held on upgraded 2-nd degree murder charges

 

[wfgodot]

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Attorney Tony Coleman says she then got up early for work at 9am the following morning, but around an hour into her shift something happened which caused her to become distressed.

He added that exactly what happened is unclear, because Chambers does not remember anything from that moment until minutes after the crash when officers helped her out of her car.

Coleman said that his next step will be to order a psych evaluation and a competency test to confirm his suspicions.

Asked whether Chambers had been suicidal in the past he responded 'absolutely', though said he does not believe yesterday's accident was part of an attempt to end her life.

He said there was a family history of mental illness, and that Chambers had exhibited several symptoms herself, including not sleeping for several days at a time.
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more here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rowd-not-drunk-half-hour-cried-left-work.html

....and here, at KFOR:

Attorney for parade crash suspect says ‘Miss Chambers suffers from a mental illness’

 

[JeannaT]

more here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rowd-not-drunk-half-hour-cried-left-work.html

....and here, at KFOR:

Attorney for parade crash suspect says ‘Miss Chambers suffers from a mental illness’

Well, that's interesting. I wonder, what are the odds the blood tests will come back negative for any drugs? And in that case, how fair is it to charge someone for a crime when they're in an altered "fugue" type state that has not been diagnosed? Except to say she's struggling and not sleeping well?

I think this case will be really groundbreaking, if her blood tests come back clear.

Sometimes, awful things happen that aren't the fault of any conscious person. They're just accidents, with horrible outcomes.

 

[KaaBoom]

Well, that's interesting. I wonder, what are the odds the blood tests will come back negative for any drugs? And in that case, how fair is it to charge someone for a crime when they're in an altered "fugue" type state that has not been diagnosed? Except to say she's struggling and not sleeping well?

I think this case will be really groundbreaking, if her blood tests come back clear.

Sometimes, awful things happen that aren't the fault of any conscious person. They're just accidents, with horrible outcomes.

Well, if no drugs were involved, then she murdered those people. It’s her right to use an insanity defense and a jury will decide.

 

[jjenny]

She wouldn't be the first alleged perp to claim she doesn't remember anything around the time of the crime.
How convenient.
She was distressed by something at work? She had been suicidal? Was she trying to off herself?

 

[monkey222]

Really? Inability to sleep, mental illness..per lawyer is the new excuse...geeeeshh. Uhh, how many of y'all are on WS cuz we can't sleep... So tired of excuses.

 

[bluesneakers]

Really? Inability to sleep, mental illness..per lawyer is the new excuse...geeeeshh. Uhh, how many of y'all are on WS cuz we can't sleep... So tired of excuses.

Going without or being unable to sleep is a symptom of mania in someone who has bipolar disorder.

 

[sonjay]

She wouldn't be the first alleged perp to claim she doesn't remember anything around the time of the crime.
How convenient.
She was distressed by something at work? She had been suicidal? Was she trying to off herself?

Actually, it's quite common for people in accidents to not remember what happened immediately before the accident.

She might well not remember things from right before it happened.

That's not to excuse her actions or justify what happened. Just pointing out that her claim of not remembering might be true.

 

[jjenny]

Actually, it's quite common for people in accidents to not remember what happened immediately before the accident.

She might well not remember things from right before it happened.

That's not to excuse her actions or justify what happened. Just pointing out that her claim of not remembering might be true.

The reason some people in accident don't remember what happened is that they had a hear injury. Which doesn't appear she did. There are photos of her walking with the police taken after the accident with no visible injuries to her head. She is in jail and not the hospital.

 

[katydid23]

Going without or being unable to sleep is a symptom of mania in someone who has bipolar disorder.

But bi-polar disorder is not a valid defense against driving 50 mph into a parade of people.

 

[bluesneakers]

But bi-polar disorder is not a valid defense against driving 50 mph into a parade of people.

It could be. It's a mental illness and people are found not guilty by reason of mental defect all the time.


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[jjenny]

It could be. It's a mental illness and people are found not guilty by reason of mental defect all the time.


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Who exactly are these people? Do you have links to these people found not guilty by reason of mental defect?

 

[katydid23]

It could be. It's a mental illness and people are found not guilty by reason of mental defect all the time.


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No. Not bi-polar disorder. One has to be found unable to comprehend reality, unable to know right from wrong or to decipher real from unreal, to be found not guilty because of insanity. A simple mental disorder will not be a valid defense. It might be a partial mitigation against sentencing however.

 

[katydid23]

She drove into a crowd of people while going 50 mph. Bipolar disorder will not explain nor justify those murderous actions. If she was having a Grand Mal Seizure or had blacked out from a diabetic reaction, then she might have a justifiable explanation. But mania from Bipolarity is not a solid excuse for such a purposeful action.

Maybe if she was a raving and severe schizophrenic and had delusions and hallucinations then she might be locked up in a mental hospital instead of a prison. But even then, she would go to trial and be sentenced.

 

[bluesneakers]

Who exactly are these people? Do you have links to these people found not guilty by reason of mental defect?

You've really never heard of that? Weird.

Here's an example:
Judge: Terry Greer not guilty of wife's murder by reason of mental defect