OK OK - Jamison Family; Truck, IDs, money, & dog found abandoned, Oct 2009 - #9

[wfgodot]

Wiggling away they are, wfgodot!

NOUN:
Informal pl. [FONT=arial,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]cans of worms[/SIZE][/FONT]
A source of unforeseen and troublesome complexity.

(And we shall continue to wiggle back at 'em. )

They're wriggling, not wiggling! City worms wiggle. Anywhere east of Tulsa, they wriggle.

I would like to add, in defense of OK LE (RARE MOMENT), that following a particular case in another state (READ: TENNESSEE) has caused me to have all sorts of pride in OK LE. Not for us, the dim spokesperson - no! we now long for the steady - if brusque - certainties of our very own Jessica Brown! AND we relish our press releases, which contain few - if any - typos and grammatical and/or spelling errors!

I'll also add that we don't have us that citified, trickle-down corruption some states see. In Oklahoma, we have the bottom-up, "traditional values," bedrock stuff!

 

[Oriah]

They're wriggling, not wiggling! City worms wiggle. Anywhere east of Tulsa, they wriggle.

I would like to add, in defense of OK LE (RARE MOMENT), that following a particular case in another state (READ: TENNESSEE) has caused me to have all sorts of pride in OK LE. Not for us, the dim spokesperson - no! we now long for the steady - if brusque - certainties of our very own Jessica Brown! AND we relish our press releases, which contain few - if any - typos and grammatical and/or spelling errors!

I'll also add that we don't have us that citified, trickle-down corruption some states see. In Oklahoma, we have the bottom-up, "traditional values," bedrock stuff!

wfgodot, they can't wriggle far when they're still in the can. But they can wiggle a LOT.
So they must be in between OC and Tulsa? :innocent:

Oh, and I still can't find Waldo. Maybe he relocated to TN.

 

[Soulmagent]

Reveiwing Ok issues of the past. Interesting read. To bad that message board closed.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Addm59Utf18J:www.pottersville.info/forums/showthread.php%3F2392-Drug-War-corruption-Secret-Service-officer-sues-Oklahoma-narcotics-agent+oklahoma+webb+family+corruption&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

 

[Oriah]

Keep going past that. Ignore this if it doesnt make sence. Skittles ,and hours of reading..

Soul, stop eating Skittles! They make you :silly: !!

Now I'd like your thoughts on this database....
http://www.ok.gov/health/Disease,_P...oma_Violent_Death_Reporting_System/index.html

 

[curiosityscat]

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Oriah -- Respectfully snip-snipped/Quoted:
"Call and write away, my friends!

I'd start here:
http://www.ok.gov/obndd/index.html
And then go here:
http://www.ok.gov/osbi/
And last, go here:
http://www.foioklahoma.org/

Prepare for discouragement.

Prepare to be frustrated.
But do it anyway. "?
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Little726 -- Respectfully Snip-Snipped/Quoted:

Curiouscat, thank you for all your thoughts and posts on the missing Jamison family.

Personally, someone needs to contact LE somewhere out of Oklahoma. Maybe the Dept. of Justice or the United States Attorney General.

I've read so much about Oklahoma in the past few years and....well...
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Well, I've looked around OK and answered some of my own (and other's) questions in regards to what is going on and who to (or in this case who not to) contact to get assistance. After all my digging, honestly, I'm still not sure of the "proper route". There was a lot of rubbish (listed only to save others time)..and a few gems (listed below as possibles).

Because - RUBBISH:
* The LE Sheriff's Office looks to be pointless
* The OSBI look pointless

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ON THE PLUS SIDE:
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I found a couple promising leads regarding who to contact to get something going or someone to look at why things aren't going. I'm putting this out there in case I fall off the grid or whatever, so someone else has it and the thoughts behind it:

Possible GEMS:
* The Open Records Act, which states that the investigative records should be obtainable. (13)
* The Oklahoma State Attorney General's Office (although I remain skeptical)---Municipal League, for internal investigation. (14)
* The OFI as cited above in the quote by Oriah looks good too! Thanks Oriah!

I also came up with the possibility of finding a Criminal Analyst, as they review statistics, but are also quite capable of reviewing cold cases and making recommendations to law enforcement/Investigators as to "Reviving a Cold Case"(1). They seem to have a broader scope of research, and there is a very good document titled, "Reviving the Cold Case", aimed at Criminal Analysts and their efforts, but I think valuable to anyone dealing with a cold case. Also I turned up one that runs a crime blog (did not contact yet) and one that is listed at OKU (not yet contacted). (1)

Plus they've done good work, caught criminals -bank robbers, and even were the beginning of what is now a tracking of Hwy Serial Killings in the U.S.

Unfortunately OSBI does not have a functioning Criminal Analyst "Fusion" Department.

I thought I would see what kind of feedback/opinions as to the next step, I received on WS's before I actually make contact, just for curiosity sake.
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WHAT IS WRONG WHERE - INFO/HELP DEAD ENDS:
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A) The OBSI seems to be in the process of setting up a Criminal Analyst Unit, one does not currently exist, if their own website is any indication. Therefore, they currently lack this expertise. (Poo-poo on them, but thumbs up for getting one in gear --one of these days!!)

"The OSBI operates a Criminal Intelligence Unit, in which the Oklahoma State Fusion Center is currently being developed. *This unit will house criminal analysts whose primary function will be to process criminal and other intelligence with the mission of providing assistance in investigations and information in the prevention of criminal acts. *An intricate portion of the Fusion Center is the Crime Analysts Unit which contains the Oklahoma State Clearinghouse for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children" (6)

B) The OSBI does not even list the Jamison Family under their "Unsolved Cases Page AT ALL

C) The OSBI has both adult Jamisons (bobby and Shirelynn) are listed under the OSBI "Missing Person" page (5)

D) The OSBI has Madyson ONLY listed under their "Missing Children & Adults Page" (3), which is a redirect link to the Missing Children Website (4),

E) The Missing Kids Website shows pictures of the entire Jamison Family, but VERY BasIc Information on the Jamisons. There is nothing about their disability status or any bipolar disorder, BUT it does show two -2- photos of Madyson, HOWEVER in BOTH photos Madyson is blonde, and there is NO MENTION of Madyson being a natural brunette *rolls eyes*

F) I went on the AG's website and found that useless (IMHO)! They don't seem to be at all interested in internal affairs monitoring.

G) I went on the DOJ's website (7), (8) and did my best to figure out which/who to contact..*laughs hard* Any opinions anyone?? I think (8)/(9), may be the right move. Probably why there's been a history of corruption in the Sheriff's office. (12)

H) As far as the local LE Sheriff of Latimer County, the Sheriff is now Robert Brooks, there are 20 ppl on staff. If the structure of it is any indication there's no wonder that nothing has been done on the Jamison Family Case. Especially with ONLY 1 INVESTIGATOR!!* Also, the Sheriff seems more interested in his loose cattle and cattle database, along with his new sets of grant supplied sunglasses with built-in video cameras. I guess there is a high demand for loose cattle video!! On the up side, their site does provide contact emails for various staff, including the Sheriff who even has his cell listed --paint me floored-- (11).

1 Under Sheriff
1 Captain
2 Deputies
1 Reserve Captain
1 Jail Admin.
1 Reserve Lieutenant
1 Investigator (Bill Brown)*
2 Deputy Detention Officers
1 Courthouse Security
3 Reserve Deputy
5 Detention Deputy
1 Secretary
Note from Sheriff Robert Brook:
'If you have any questions, comments, or concerns stop by the office to see me, call me on my cell phone at (really did list a number), or send an e-mail to (had his email listed on site).' (11)

I) And if you want a good laugh you can go to the OK Sheriff's Association to appoint representatives to sit on various grant boards and oversight boards. --oddly enough they don't even oversee themselves!*

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SOURCES:
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1) "Reviving the Cold Case" - International Association of Criminal Analysts -- WORTH A READ!
http://www.iaca.net/Resources/Articles/Reviving_the_Cold_Case.pdf
2) Oklahoma State Bureau of investigation
http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Investigative/Unsolved_Cases/index.html
3) OSBI - Missing Children Page
http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Investigative/Oklahoma's_Missing_Children/
4) Missing Kids Webpage - Madyson
http://missingkids.com/missingkids/...seNum=1134094&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US
5) OSBI - Missing Person Page
http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Investigative/Missing_Persons/index.html
6) OSBI - Fusion Unit "will"
http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Investigative/index.html
7) The DOJ ORG CHART
http://www.justice.gov/agencies/index-org.html
8) DOJ office of Jucstice Mgmt Div
http://www.justice.gov/jmd/
9) Office of Justice Programs
OJP’s mission is to increase public safety and improve the fair administration of justice across America through innovative leadership and programs.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/
10) Oklahoma Sherrif's Association (OSA)
http://www.oklahomasheriffs.com/appointments.htm
11) Latimer County Sheriff
http://latimercountysheriff.com/
12) Long List of Sheriff Scandals
http://lawenforcementcorruption.blogspot.com/2009/06/long-list-of-sheriff-scandals.html
13) The Open Records Act
http://www.foioklahoma.org/OpenRecords.pdf
Open Records Act, Title 51 - Oklahoma Statues 24A.1-24A.24
Specifically, 24A.8 - Law Enforcement Records - Disclosure
14) Oklahoma State Attorney General's Office - Municipal League
http://www.oag.state.ok.us/oagweb.nsf/FAQs?OpenView
"* Municipalities and Town Governments
Are there state agencies to ensure that cities are operating within statutory requirements?
There are many state and local agencies that have statutory authority to investigate or audit allegations of wrongdoing within a municipality or township. If you have questions regarding the statutory operation of a municipality or township or you are wanting information concerning city ordinances, you should contact the Oklahoma Municipal League at the following address: 201 NE 23rd Street, Oklahoma City, OK 73105. Telephone: 405-528-7515"

---- Praying for the Jamison Family, Where Ever They Maybe!! The Truth will Out! -----

 

[Oriah]

LOL, curiosityscat...
Welcome to Oklahoma!

Try here:
http://www.usmarshals.gov/contacts/index.html

 

[Soulmagent]

Soul, stop eating Skittles! They make you :silly: !!

Now I'd like your thoughts on this database....
http://www.ok.gov/health/Disease,_P...oma_Violent_Death_Reporting_System/index.html

I an still looking over this, abit questioning how with Hippa the can give out some of the information on the OK2Share part ,Some of the links are dead links so maybe they cant give some of it out? Discharges to be more specific.

The OVDI looks like it is behind in being updated at least in matching up with what years OK2S has listed released

undetermined manner and intenet deaths are the 3rd leading cause in violent deaths. and 51 percent are gunshots.

I find the numbers ,weird. If weird is the right word.

I am not sure what direction of thoughts your interested in ,but I will tell you I dont believe the site to be as helpful as it is pretending to be. I will keep trying and looking over it in case I am having a DSAB day.

 

[curiosityscat]

LOL, curiosityscat...
Welcome to Oklahoma!


Try here:
http://www.usmarshals.gov/contacts/index.html

** See my previous post page 18 for pg 1 of 2 of my List of possibles for Where to go from here? **

*chuckles*..Whoopsie! Thanks Oriah, I did actually look them up, but forgot to add them to my (IMHO) "useless" list, as from what I found, all they care about is chasing down already convicted criminals, and coordinating witness protection. *big sigh* *shrugs*...

Now, I'm sure there are always exceptions to any rules, therefore I'll state that I did NOT contact any of the "offices/departments" listed in my prior post as (ImHO) useless efforts on this case/topic.

The thing is, before I go wasting my breath to someone, I figure I should at least aim to 'waste my breath' and time on a department, agency, individual that seems to have a remote possibility of giving a flying you-know-what about an unsolved missing family case and/or the lack of progress on it (or potential errors in the original investigation). So, basically, I was trying to narrow the field a bit. *shrugs*

After that exercise I think that requesting the records (not going to hold my breath on it) just to see what happens, and contacting a local/regional criminal analyst may be the way to go. *shrugs*...guess I'll see what happens as time allows (i.e. If I personally have time to follow up, if not, at least the info is out there *smiles*).

---- Praying for the Jamison Family, where ever They May be. The truth will one day come out!!! -----

 

[Oriah]

** See my previous post page 18 for pg 1 of 2 of my List of possibles for Where to go from here? **

*chuckles*..Whoopsie! Thanks Oriah, I did actually look them up, but forgot to add them to my (IMHO) "useless" list, as from what I found, all they care about is chasing down already convicted criminals, and coordinating witness protection. *big sigh* *shrugs*...

Now, I'm sure there are always exceptions to any rules, therefore I'll state that I did NOT contact any of the "offices/departments" listed in my prior post as (ImHO) useless efforts on this case/topic.

The thing is, before I go wasting my breath to someone, I figure I should at least aim to 'waste my breath' and time on a department, agency, individual that seems to have a remote possibility of giving a flying you-know-what about an unsolved missing family case and/or the lack of progress on it (or potential errors in the original investigation). So, basically, I was trying to narrow the field a bit. *shrugs*

After that exercise I think that requesting the records (not going to hold my breath on it) just to see what happens, and contacting a local/regional criminal analyst may be the way to go. *shrugs*...guess I'll see what happens as time allows (i.e. If I personally have time to follow up, if not, at least the info is out there *smiles*).

---- Praying for the Jamison Family, where ever They May be. The truth will one day come out!!! -----

Nooo, curiousityscat don't give up now!

Write the USMS and ATF.

 

[nanny2five]

Nooo, curiousityscat don't give up now!

Write the USMS and ATF.

no curiousitycat! i agree with Oriah, dont you give up now! your posts are full of great information. keep up the sleuthing because you are good at it

 

[curiosityscat]

no curiousitycat! i agree with Oriah, dont you give up now! your posts are full of great information. keep up the sleuthing because you are good at it

Thank you nanny2five..*smiles*..and No, I have absolutely no plans to stop, and I apologize to any WS that may have interpreted what I stated as my having any intention of stopping my inquiry. I was just trying to list out where I believe there is the potential for actual assistance, versus more dead ends or lack of movement, priority, etc. I am currently limited due to some tech issues, so I put the info out there for all WS, just in case someone else wished to run with the info in the mean time. *smiles* Because, if they can and do, great! If not, I'll do what I can when I can.

So, Thanks again for the support, and the compliment, though I do not feel it is quite deserved on my part. Once I actually "do something" constructive that gets something going to help figure out this on-going "mystery" then maybe I'll feel different. *winks*

Onward and upward! *laughs* I hope! *winks*

--- Praying for the Jamison Family, no matter where they maybe! ----

 

[curiosityscat]

Nooo, curiousityscat don't give up now!

Write the USMS and ATF.

** Case Direction Option List - Addition - Page 3 of 3 - see page 1 & 2 listed on page 18, page 19. **

Thank you for the encouragement, but I have absolutely no plans to stop looking for someone in LE of some type (current or previously), or a Government or Private Agency, Department or individual to revive or take a 2nd look at the Jamison Family case.

I am adding this reply to my list of "options" as to potential directions for case contacts in attempts to find interested LE Agencies or Departments, as there are two options which were suggested in this comment.

I have commented on this particular Agency preciously, so pardon my restatement in reply.
I did view the United States Marshal Services (USMS) as a contact option. (I am assuming that was the definition of the stated acronym). However, to me (IMHO) the United States Marshal Service's focus, as listed on their website, seems to be more towards the capture of currently convicted fugitives, so they do not seem to be the proper Agency to effect any interest in furthering resolution to this case. (IMHO).

As for the recommendation to contact the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms and Explosives Department (ATF). I personally do not see the relevance. The ATF's focus is on the control of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. As a Department and Agency, they have no mandate or operational focus that relates to anything that would reflect as an Agency their interest in solving any missing or endangered persons case, unless it relates to a fugitive, witness in federal protection, the people within and who operate the U.S. Court System. None of which falls under the factors of the Jamison Family case, therefore, (IMHO), it would be ineffective and useless to seek their assistance in solving this case.

++ Moving forward, rest assured, I personally, I have no intention of stopping my own personal inquiry into solving the mystery of the Jamison Family's disappearance be it intentional or as the result of foul play by a 3rd party. I hope that each WS will continue their own individual behind the scenes investigation, research, and interaction on this WS Forum, and that the TRUTH about where the Jamison Family is located and their state of health, will eventually come out!

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Source Reference URL's:
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1) United States Marshals Service:
http://www.usmarshals.gov/duties/factsheets/general-2011.html
"More than 3,950 deputy U.S. marshals and criminal investigators form the backbone of the agency. Among their many duties, they protect the federal judiciary, apprehend federal fugitives, seize property acquired by criminals through illegal activities, house and transport federal prisoners and operate the Witness Security Program."
"The agency ensures the safe and secure conduct of judicial proceedings at more than 400 locations in 94 federal court districts and provides protection for federal judges, U.S. attorneys, assistant U.S. attorneys, personnel, jurors, the visiting public and prisoners."

2) The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms and Explosives Department:
http://www.atf.gov/about/

--- Praying for the Jamison Family, Where ever they may be! ---

 

[Oriah]

Of course we can all continue our personal inquiries.

Mine is forcused on evidence (or lack thereof!) as well as firearms, illicit drugs, money laundering and federal agencies.

 

[wfgodot]

Of course we can all continue our personal inquiries.

Mine is forcused on evidence (or lack thereof!) as well as firearms, illicit drugs, money laundering and federal agencies.

You've dropped chips from the equation?

 

[Oriah]

You've dropped chips from the equation?

Nope.

All of the above get hungry from time to time.

 

[nanny2five]

Of course we can all continue our personal inquiries.

Mine is forcused on evidence (or lack thereof!) as well as firearms, illicit drugs, money laundering and federal agencies.

Glory Hallelujah, Amen and Amen

 

[curiosityscat]

Of course we can all continue our personal inquiries.

Mine is forcused on evidence (or lack thereof!) as well as firearms, illicit drugs, money laundering and federal agencies.

Ok, so I take it that maybe I'm 'missing' something here? I admittedly came into/onto this case mystery late in the game (years after it occurred -- I'm even re-reading through the entire thread from day one -- whew, am I a glutton for punishment, but maybe there's a "gem" I've missed). As every theory and perspective may be of assistance in solving this (and even the "experts say, "Never assume something was investigated"), What in your opinion, am I missing, that leads to the above factors being involved in this case? That is, If you don't mind sharing your thoughts on this, because even if I may agree to disagree, I would still appreciate it if you would, and I would certainly like you to kindly share your view points/theory, etc., again, only if you are willing to put them out there/forum-wise, if not, that's ok too!.

Thanks in advance for reading my note and possibly considering sharing/posting your points/theory/perspective behind your comment. I'm not being facetious, what I am is open to possibly learn something I did not know, or see this case from another view.

-- Praying for the Jamison Family Where ever they may be!! -----

 

[Oriah]

Ok, so I take it that maybe I'm 'missing' something here? I admittedly came into/onto this case mystery late in the game (years after it occurred -- I'm even re-reading through the entire thread from day one -- whew, am I a glutton for punishment, but maybe there's a "gem" I've missed). As every theory and perspective may be of assistance in solving this (and even the "experts say, "Never assume something was investigated"), What in your opinion, am I missing, that leads to the above factors being involved in this case? That is, If you don't mind sharing your thoughts on this, because even if I may agree to disagree, I would still appreciate it if you would, and I would certainly like you to kindly share your view points/theory, etc., again, only if you are willing to put them out there/forum-wise, if not, that's ok too!.

Thanks in advance for reading my note and possibly considering sharing/posting your points/theory/perspective behind your comment. I'm not being facetious, what I am is open to possibly learn something I did not know, or see this case from another view.

-- Praying for the Jamison Family Where ever they may be!! -----

Thank you, curiosityscat- for your very respectful interest in other opinions and trains of thought re: the missing Jamisons.
(oh, and you probably are a glutton for punishment if reading through all these past threads, lol!)

My interest (and theory) stems from local, state, and federal government releasing evidence seized when a crime is thought to have been committed- if evidence was ever taken into custody to begin with.

Because, you see... there is no physical chain of evidence preserved in the Jamison's case.

None.

 

[wfgodot]

And, to make matters dicier, the disappearance occurred in a backwards region of a backwards state dominated by avarice and corruption. (But I live here and love the people - well, most of them!) If LE didn't do it, they don't know who did. Motto.

 

[Oriah]

And, to make matters dicier, the disappearance occurred in a backwards region of a backwards state dominated by avarice and corruption. (But I live here and love the people - well, most of them!)

It t'aint backwards, wfgodot!
It's just... umm... kinda stagnant.

And I tend to think substance abuse may have something to do with that stagnacity. (Wait- is that a word?)